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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 09:35 AM
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Just received from my wife

I am telling you - I know I am right. They are all dead. They are in purgatory. Because they are in this altered state but still on something that looks like earth, they influence things based on desires. My examples, all Loch wanted was to walk and his Dad be around. He got it. Men, generally want their sperm count to be way high, so it is. The lady with the cancer wanted to live so her cancer is gone. Charlie wanted heroine and a plane full of heroine showed up. This also has something to do with what he needs to resolve. The preacher from Africa wanted to know what happened to his brother, so one of the dead on the plane was his brother. Did he resolve anything or is he being punished for letting his brother die and all the bad he did. I think he went to hell. The guy that has visions, was told he would never be a great man so guess what, he has visions and saves people now he proved them wrong. Also, chances are he desired his girlfriend to come there so much she was but he believed if he let Charlie live she would not, so he was right it turned out not to be her. Patch is one of the angels/testers/whatever you want to call him and can not die. Juliette is one of the dead and she is being tested also. I think she really let her Sister die and she is trying desperately to save someone that is pregnant. The Kids were all taken at the beginning because they are innocent and were taken on to heaven. They had a tour of the island that day because they wanted to give them an understanding of what
was going on with their family. (Little stretch on my part). Claire's
baby stays with her only because it is all part of her test/thing she needsto resolve.
Little Will stayed on the island longer because his father(
Michael) and him had just been reunited. His father did not fight for him when his mother took him away so on the island he did fight for him and won. He passed his test and resolved his past issues so he could move on. They let him and the boy (Will) go. There is more but I just can't think of it all right now.
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slj0101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 09:43 AM
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1. I really don't think it's purgatory.
At this rate, I don't think there is any definitive answer as to what is going on or why they're truly there.
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swimboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 10:03 AM
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2. Hurley wanted a microbus.
Desmond has repeatedly prevented Charlie from going to heaven. The diamond people will live forever buried under the sand (nasty bit of work there). Smoke monster is distant cousin of those dark things from "Ghost"

Why does getting pregnant on the island get you out of purgatory? Does the Vatican's recent statement threaten the story arc?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 10:09 AM
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3. I don't know
any answers but I do know this

Theory #4B of mine
Oceana 815's crash was used for political means as an Iraqi (Sayid) with ties to terrorism joined forces with a known fugitive of justice (Kate) with nothing to live for and a con man (Sawyer) who had just killed a man clearly having gone over the edge...etc....

You know the rest.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 10:10 AM
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4. The creators said the first season it's not Purgatory
I think Widemore, et al, had a FAKE CRASH. Or, it's some type of alternate dimension.
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hatredisnotavalue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 10:14 AM
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5. My crazy theory
I am just throwing this out there for what it's worth. Could there be a link between women rejecting their fetuses and the Others' bodies rejecting cancer?

http://www.biology-online.org/articles/immune_system_research_holds.html

Say the others were injected with a drug to keep them cancer free. Say the side effect of this drug was that in women the fetus was viewed as a ‘cancer’ and was likewise rejected. I believe fetus cells intermingle with the mother’s cells during pregnancy so as the pregnancy progressed, the woman’s immune system would begin fighting these cells elsewhere in her body and would eventually kill the woman.

Now, here’s the crazy part. What if it was the man’s sperm's DNA that was responsible for creating the condition where the woman began to reject the fetus. And what if one man was able to undergo treatment so that his sperm would not create this situation? But that the side effect of this was that the man would be susceptible to cancer….Ben?

Here’s the really crazy part. Could Ben be the father of Sun’s baby via artificial insemination?

Debunk away!:)

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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 10:47 AM
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6. Darhma Initiative put out cover story...
Darhma Initiative put out cover story that Oceanic Flight xxx went down so no search and rescue operations would uncover the location/existence of the island. That's my take on it after last night.

Anyways... Abrams has said emphatically during the first to second season hiatus that it's not a dream and everyone is alive.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 11:18 AM
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7. I still want to know where the convenience store is.
:shrug:
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NewWaveChick1981 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 12:18 PM
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8. You mean the convenience store where they buy food and toiletries?
:P :rofl: The Dharma supply drop is supposed to explain that. It's kinda weak to me, but I think that's how they cover it.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 12:27 PM
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9. yeah
they even bring steven king novels
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NewWaveChick1981 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 08:57 PM
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10. And Playboys.
:rofl: :hi: Sawyer used to keep them in his stash until Charlie and Hurley removed them.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 09:52 PM
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11. Here's another theory I found on theoriesonlost.blog
At the end of season 2, TPTB said that by the end of season 3 we would see that events occurring on the Island were having an impact off the Island. Here is what I'm thinking....

In the original timeline, Desmond performed all of the events we have seen so far that resulted in his original arrival on the Island. He was rescued by Kelvin and then brought to the Swan hatch to push the button, etc. Desmond followed Kelvin that one day, killed him and as a result of being late on his return to the Swan, the anomaly brought down Flight 815. ("lost time" hint perhaps?) This was a deviation from what the universe had already charted, and as such Flight 815 crashed there and the Losties survived instead of crashing somewhere else and dying as the universe had intended.


Fast forward and we arrive at the end of season 2 when Desmond uses the failsafe key in the Swan. We know that he experienced a phenomenon which took him back in time before his arrival on the Island. When he took the cricket bat to the head inside the pub that was meant for the bartender, he again changed something that was meant to be, which caused even worse consequences. In the universe’s intended path, the plane really did crash and everyone on board died. In Desmond's original past, the bartender took the hit and Desmond went on with his life, following all of the events that resulted in him eventually arriving on the Island. The Losties crash there because of Desmond’s initial change when he killed Kelvin, and we have the story we have seen so far. But when he jumped back in time and took that cricket bat to the head, he was likely out of commission for awhile which ended up with him arriving at the Island later than he originally did.


Because Desmond was late arriving, Kelvin was still in the Swan pushing the button on schedule which means that Flight 815 never crashed on the Island but perhaps somewhere else, and everyone was confirmed dead – this is why the parachutist sounded incredulous when Hurley told her they were the survivors of Flight 815 because as far as the real world off the Island is concerned they were all found to be dead. But as we know, Desmond’s late button push let the Losties live despite the fact that on the “real” timeline they were supposed to crash somewhere else and die. This places them in a purgatory of sorts, because they are supposed to be dead but they are not. As far as the real world is concerned, they are dead and gone, but on the Island they are actually very much alive and well. If you look at things on a grander scale, there are actually 2 of every person that was on the plane. 1 for each timeline - 2 Jack’s, 2 Kate’s, 2 Sawyer’s, etc. (bad twins??) The original Jack, Kate, etc died in the crash that was supposed to happen. When it didn’t happen, time skewed off and created us an additional Jack, Kate, Sawyer, etc.


When Desmond found Kelvin drunk near the failsafe he said that by turning that key "all of this would go away". Kelvin knew that turning the failsafe would allow someone to jump back in time and potentially make changes to the past that would have dire consequences down the road. He also knew that he could save himself by turning the key, but at what cost? That's what is/was being protected on the Island - a strange magnetic anomaly that would allow someone to jump back in time. DHARMA knew of the catastrophic events that would occur if someone changed an event in the past, which was why it was being protected.


When Desmond changed that event in the past, it resulted in him arriving later that originally intended as I mentioned earlier and the island crash never happened, Desmond never turned the failsafe, and things proceeded as intended. When events didn’t go as intended, this resulted in another skew that essentially removed the Island from existence on what I'll refer to as "our" timeline. This is why no one can apparently "find" the Island, because in the "real" timeline it doesn't exist. (this could also explain Ben’s comment about how “God can’t see us here) The Others did have the ability to communicate with the outside world before the failsafe was activated but as Tom mentioned "our comms have been down since the sky turned purple". What really happened was the Island was removed from our timeline and placed onto another. To the "real" world, the Island doesn't exist anymore because of Desmond's change.


I think Ben has the same abilities as Desmond, and he knew that really bad things would happen if someone were to change the path the universe had already charted by changing the past. That's why Ben is so adamant on not allowing anyone to leave the Island. He knows the course the universe it taking, and knows that allowing it to run its course without intervention is the only way to save everyone. But now that Desmond has changed things, Ben is scrambling to find a counter-move to Desmond's change. As long as Desmond continues to change things that should happen, reality will be bouncing back and forth on a teeter-totter of sorts.


Ben's mission is to ensure that every change to the past is countered with another event so they can try to bring a balance back to the Island which would make it "reappear" and set things right. I think eventually Desmond is going to be forced to make a decision on whether to sacrifice the Losties by letting things run their true course in an effort to bring things back to balance, or continue saving them. (That's an even BIGGER catch-22 as well – damned if you do, damned if you don’t). If he lets things run their course and bring things back to their original state, the Losties end up crashing and dying somewhere else (“found” versus “lost”), and Desmond remains on the Island indefinitely doing his button pushing as intended.


On the other hand, if he continues to save them they will be stuck on the Island forever because to the "real" time they don't exist. As long as Desmond keeps changing things, they are digging themselves an even deeper hole so to speak. Keep changing things, and everyone is “Lost” forever.
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GenDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 10:02 PM
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12. hummmm -- that's very interesting
One of the better theories, I think.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:19 AM
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13. Magnets
it all has to do with magnets.

This is my theory #2F
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:35 AM
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15. Great theory!
:thumbsup:
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hatredisnotavalue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:45 PM
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16. Was it the Ray Bradbury story
where some people went back in time. They were told to stay on the trail and not interrupt the flora and fauna. One guy stepped off the trail and stepped on a butterfly and killed it. That action resulted in changing future history (oxymoron) so Hitler won WWII.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:30 AM
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14. Well the parachuter did tell Hurley that everyone died on Oceanic Flight 815
Hmmm
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