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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:53 AM
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There are 10 types of people in the world...
Those who understand binary,
and those who do not.
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:54 AM
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1. oooh
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 09:55 AM by Kamika
I bet that's pretty damn hillarious if you know what binary is


edit: *cry* I dont get it
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:03 AM
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8. Binary is base-2 counting
Only 2 digits exist: 1 and 0

just as 100 in normal base-10 represents 1*10^2 + 0*10^1 + 0*10^0,
100 in base-2 represents 1*2^2 + 0*2^1 + 0*2^0.

So 10 in base-2 is 2 in normal base-10.
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:14 AM
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13. I see
...


Thanks for trying though :hug:
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:05 AM
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19. OK Let me try...
In regular numbers (base 10):

"4" means four 'ones'
"10" means one group of 10 and no 'ones'
"36" means three groups of 10 and six 'ones'
"142" means one group of 100, four groups of 10 and 2 'ones'

So in base 2:

"1" means 'one'
"10" means one group of two and no 'ones' (= '2' in base 10.)
"11" means one group of two and one 'one' (= '3' in base 10.)
"111" means one group of four and one group of two and one 'one' (= '7' in base 10)

So that's the Poli Sci major's way of understanding base 2. Any better? Head still hurt? :-)

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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:11 AM
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20. hmm
I got base 10 but not base 2

shouldnt 10 be 5 'twos' ??
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:23 AM
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21. No
It's like 10 and 100 in decimal. adding a '0' is the same as multiplying with the base i.e. 10.

In Binary the base is '2', thus an additional '0' doubles the value.

(the first column is binary; the others decimal)
1 = 2^0 = 1
10 = 2^1 = 2
100 = 2^2 = 4
1000 = 2^3 = 8

ten is thus 1010 = 1*2^3 + 0*2^2+ 1*2^1 + 0*2^0 = 10


Works with any natural number as base. Binary happens to be important, as it's used for computers (Bits).

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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:24 AM
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22. The "places" for bases work like this...
Base 10: Each "place" is 10 times bigger than the one to its right:

Ones = 1's
Tens = 10 x 1's
Hundreds = 10 x 10's
Thousands = 10 x 100's
etc.

Base 2: Each "place" is 2 times bigger than the one to its right:

Ones = 1's
10 = 2 x 1 (= 2)
100 = 2 x 10 (=4)
1000 = 2 x 100 (=8)
10000 = 2 x 1000 (=16)

It gets confusing because you have to separate the number from its usual meaning. When you see the number '10' in everyday life you're used to it meaning ten things.

In base 2, '10' means two and you should call it two (one group of two and zero ones). '100' means four and '1000' means eight, etc.

This is what TxLib was showing in his first response to ya.

Cheers!

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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:27 AM
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23. The base is how many single digit numbers you have
In base ten, you've got ten: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and the zero. If you want to talk about a number that's ten or bigger, you have to use more than one digit. That's where the "groups" come in.

Base two only has two digits, 1 and 0, and they mean the same things they always mean. But there's no single character that means two. So if you're working in base two, and you want to represent the number we refer to as two, you need to write it as 10-- and you read that as one group of two plus zero individual units.

The number we conventionally refer to as five is written as 101, and interpreted as one group of four (two squared) plus no groups of two plus one unit. If you tried to think of it as 2 twos plus one, you'd run into trouble when you tried to write the 2, because base two doesn't recognize the character 2.

When I was a kid they taught this stuff in school as part of "new math," where they figured it would help us think outside the box-- but then it turned out that computers did base two arithmetic easier than they did base ten, because it was really easy to represent the 1 and the 0 as on and off in electric circuits. So it turned out that you could get a day job dealing with base two, which would have been a complete surprise to us in fifth grade!

Does that help?
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:29 AM
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24. Nice going, Squeetch...
...that's how I learned it in "new math" also.. :thumbsup:
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:32 AM
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25. OK thanks
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 11:33 AM by Kamika
If I wasn't so mathematicly challenged I'm sure I would understand it by now..

so five is 101-- ??

what is three and four then?
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NicoleM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:52 AM
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29. I love binary.
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 11:53 AM by NicoleM
Three is 11 and four is 100. Maybe it will help if you think of 1 as "yes" and 0 as "no." Let me see if I can show you 33:

1 0 0 0 0 1
-- -- -- -- -- --
32 16 8 4 2 1

33= one 32 + no 16s + no 8s + no 4s + no 2s + one 1. It would be easier to see if I could space it right.

(I am experiencing extreme pregnancy brain fog today so if I screwed that up somebody tell me.)
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:05 PM
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30. PIS
Pregnancy Induced Stupidity, my wife (KCDem) called it.

You didn't screw it up...
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ProudGerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:17 PM
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36. That's similiar to how it was taught to me
When you want to note a base ten number in base two, think of it like a different language with different grammar.

Normally, in base ten, we tend to do things from left to right.

To convert a base ten number to base two, you gotta "tranlate" it. And since I learned this for computing crap, I'll just use that as my basis. There are 8 bits in a byte. Each bit being an on or off switch.

1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 That is one byte, if you want to read the number of that, you read it from right to left. Like this.

1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
128 64 32 16 8 4 2 1

Each of the top bits, represent the lower base ten numbers. A 1 means an on switch, so you use the number below it. A 0 is an off switch, you don't use the number below it. So if you wanted to write say, 33 in binary, you'd have to find the combination of the lower numbers that adds up to 33.

In binary, it'd look like this 00100001, or you can drop the first 2 0's off and write it like this 100001. If the number you're looking for is larger than the sum of all the numbers on the lower set, you need more bytes.

That's my very base, very limited understanding of binary. But I can count in binary, and do some very basic stuff with it. Of course, application of knowledge is harder than attaining it. I'd be hard pressed to actually use this for anything useful, but at least I'm not completely lost when it comes up.

If I've made an ass out of myself, you can all point and laugh, heh.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:17 PM
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33. Yes! Five is represented as 101
Well done!

Three is 11 and four is 100.

eight is 1000
sisxteen is 10000
thirty-two is 100000

and our all important number, 87 billion, is an obnoxious:
1010001000001100110101010011000000000

By jove, I think she's got it!

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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:22 PM
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34. Ay not I, O not Ow, Pounding pounding in our brain.
...Ay not I, O not Ow, Don't say "Rine," say "Rain"...

Eliza: The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain!

Henry: By George, she's got it! By George, she's got it!
Now, once again where does it rain?

Eliza: On the plain! On the plain!

Henry: And where's that soggy plain?

Eliza: In Spain! In Spain!

:D WTG, Kamika! :thumbsup:
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 04:52 PM
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37. err
I don't get it :cry:

I got the 10 base but not the two and I give up, math hates me and I hate math.


Atleast I'm cute
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 02:32 AM
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39. Damn cute
You could be a boy destroyer. :-)

And it's okay if you don't get it. In time, it will come.

It's easier than it looks, but it can be a really steep cliff face to go up in order to get it. But once you get it, you'll understand all numerical systems - base-8 (octal), base-16 (hexidecimal), etc.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 08:48 AM
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44. No argument here...
Edited on Tue Jan-13-04 08:50 AM by Richardo
Cuteness abounds!

But, Math can be your friend....

It's GRAVITY you have to watch out for...

:-)
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 08:57 AM
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45. LOL
just what is THAT supposed to mean !! :D

Yeah But I got such a bad start with math so it was just a big hazzle thrughout my school years, I want nothing to do with it. But I do think if i realy set my mind to it I could probably get this 2 thing.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:54 AM
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2. LOL
cute.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:54 AM
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3. There are two kinds of people in the world:
Those who categorize people into two kinds, and those who don't.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:55 AM
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4. hey, that's the original
:)
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TOhioLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:00 AM
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5. Ya know, I've heard....
5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions...
:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:01 AM
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6. There are three types of people in the world:
Those who are good at math, and the rest of us *rimshot*

Anyway. that's my favorite version of the joke.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:01 AM
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7. Hee...
geeks ROCK!
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:04 AM
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9. Smoking is the leading cause of statistics.
ba-DUM-bum
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:06 AM
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12. Lab rats cause cancer
:)
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:22 AM
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14. Almost right
Lab rats are known to the state of California to cause cancer.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:05 AM
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10. There are three kinds of people in the world.
Those who understand math and those who don't.
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:05 AM
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11. What does a mathematician do when she's constipated?
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 10:05 AM by TXlib
She works it out with a pencil!
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:23 AM
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15. There are 2 types of people...
Wait, I guess it just doesn't work with hexadecimal.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:58 AM
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16. There are three types of people.
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 11:02 AM by baldguy
Those who can count, and those who can't.

damn five other people posted this already!
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:00 AM
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17. If I've told you once,
I've told you 10111001010010111010010 times! Don't exaggerate!
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:02 AM
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18. Hey, that's great!! Luv it!!
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:37 AM
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26. Did you hear the one about Rene DesCartes walking into a
restaurant?

When the waitress asked him if he cared for a cocktail before dinner, he said "I think not," and immediately disappeared into thin air.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:10 PM
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31. *snerk*
I like that one. Nerd humor rules! :D
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:14 PM
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32. I liked TXLib's Heisenberg joke:
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 12:14 PM by Richardo
Heisenberg is driving down the freeway and gets pulled over by the cops.

"Do you know how fast you were going?" asks the cop.
Heisenberg replies, "No, but I know exactly where I am."

:D
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 02:33 PM
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35. *DS1 does a Lewis Black bblublblublubbubwah!*
23000 posts? Holy shit!
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 02:46 AM
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41. Ha ha! I've just been listening to a couple hours of Lewis Black tonight!
That guy is hilarious!!
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Rattlesnake Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:38 AM
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27. I thought it went....
There are three types of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't count.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:41 AM
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28. lol this is cute hee hee! n/t
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BritishHuman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 02:19 AM
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38. An economist, a physicist and a mathematician...
...are on a train as it passes into Scotland. Looking out of the window, they spy a brown cow grazing in a field by the line.
The economist cries, "Scottish cows are brown!"
The physicist disagrees, suggesting "Some Scottish cows are brown."
The mathematician thinks for a moment and says, "In Scotland, there exists at least one cow, which is brown on at least one side."
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 02:45 AM
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40. And the engineer is thinking,
Do we really need to bring an economist, a physicist, and a mathematician into the country? Wouldn't it be more efficient to bring just me and the phycisist? And hasn't the railroad done any statistical analyses of riding data and realized that they could have used just 6 passenger cars, and not 7? How much money would they have saved on fuel by eliminating the unneeded car? Unless they HAVE done analyses, and are bringing the extra car beccuase they actually need it for a run somewhere else and this was the most economical and efficient way to get it to the needed starting point, in which case the railroad company is genius for thinking of it... and that cow, that brown one - what's the purpose of the brown coloring? Is it brown because it's ancestors needed a better heat retention coloration....


Sorry folks, but as engineer I can say, that's what our minds are ALWAYS thinking.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 02:53 AM
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42. So, - while other people are trying to resolve the age-old
glass half-empty/glass half-full delimma, you're working out an algorithm to calculate the tensile strength of the glass at various levels of fullness, and dependent upon the average climate, the elevation and ambient vibration effects? Sweet.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 03:25 AM
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43. That's right!
And wondering, when it comes to glasses, how often do people even really go above the halfway mark, or possibly the three-quarters mark? I mean, could glasses be possibly designed to be, say, 10% smaller, thus saving production costs, shipping costs, and material usage strain on the planet? And then also ask the question, "you know, people can only drink from one glass at a time, so does anyone need more than one glass, barring that some liquids do, for maximum enjoyment potential, require speicifc designs. Wouldn't it be easier, more conomical, and more ecological, to allow people to buy the five to ten different glasses they need, and then, bring those glasses with them wherever they go, so we don't have to keep duplicating the same vessels at restaurants, people's homes, hospitals, bars, etc.?"

Part of me would love to see that happen - especially when it comes to fast food places. Imagine how many trees (paper cups) and how much oil (plastic cups) we could save if every fast food place and every Starbucks, etc., required people to bring their own cups.
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