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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:32 AM
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This PROVES evolution is false!
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:36 AM
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1. oh god
i love it when they try to combat evolution by attacking abiogenesis, which is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FUCKING THEORY
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:38 AM
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2. Of course.
These are people who are scared shitless of real science.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:40 AM
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3. You can tell
because they use idiotic analogies. If you understand the science, you don't NEED analogies. I understand that they're targeting a non-scientific crowd here, but even so. Clever false analogies do more to destroy logic and reasoning than anything else, imho.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 03:08 AM
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6. abiogenesis is where their complaint is
they sometimes call that 'chemical evolution'. Almost nobody denies change within a species - the moths turning black to match the polluted background, etc.. Speciation is more problematic, especially the jump from animal to human. However, it is the origin of life question where they really draw the line, and why not since any theory of that is unscientific as the beginning of the biology book states - "The hypothesis must be testable" and there is no way to test any hypothesis about a one-time past event.
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 03:13 AM
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7. It's not a freaking hypothesis.
Sheesh.

Do we have to test whether or not Jupiter was really going in the other direction until five minutes before humans started looking at it, or not?

No, we don't. We extrapolate from known data. Or, to put it another way, we have every reason to believe it did and none to believe it didn't.

Alert! Accuracy about science Nazi on patrol! :)
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:04 AM
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23. what is not a hypothesis?
And what does that have to do with Jupiter? Jupiter's movement is not a one-time event. A better example would be Pluto, although I doubt if I am current. There is/was a theory that Pluto was once a moon of Neptune that got thrown out of its orbit by Triton. Okay, now I read that's out of favor, and further read that a theory that the Earth was hit by a perhaps Mars-sized object which caused the moon to break off. How do they test these hypotheses?

The physics of motion is pretty well known, but could a team of physicists come into a pool hall five minutes after a game has been played and reconstruct which balls went into which pockets? How much more daunting then is a planetary sized table in a game which is still going on to project what has happened in the last billion years with anything close to the testability of combining sodium hydroxide and hydrochloric acid to form salt and water?
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 10:14 PM
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57. But that's not what was bieng said by the ID'ers/creationists.
And the idea that life arose from simpler chemicals is a matter of extrapolating from known data, that is, knowing F = gm1m2 / r^2, we can say "the earth has not been going around the sun on a square path until 5 minutes before humans started looking". It's not an earth-round hypothesis.

A hypothesis is something that is used to explain data that cannot be exaplained by current theories and laws. It's not something used to account for history.

(Note: I am talking about the scientific meaning of these words, colloquially these mean quite different things)

Similarly, when it comes to what the idea that we ought to think life could not arise from chemicals, it's plain bullshit. We have no data, at all, that points to anything else so it is plainly irrational to believe anything else. Sheesh.

And FWIW, no-one is claiming to have found the exact biochemical pathway. Sheesh.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 03:33 AM
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13. what?
Edited on Fri Mar-30-07 03:33 AM by realisticphish
There is no problem with speciation, as far as I can see. There's a pretty damn big supply of evidence supporting it. Not to mention that humans ARE animals, there is no "jump," so I don't know where you're going with that.

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:54 AM
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25. is there evidence to support that there is no jump?
Humans are animals, but humans are also hydrogen, carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, etc. Is there no jump between life and non-life? Is there no jump between plant life and animal life? Do other animals perform surgery, build airplanes, write plays, etc., etc.? Is there not a huge qualitative difference between humans and other animals?

Speciation is more problematic to them, is what I meant.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 01:16 PM
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35. There's a jump between animals now and humans now
but that's not how it was early in our evolutionary path. There was no jump between animals and early hominoids, from them to austrolopithicus, and so on. Human's didn't just up and start creating art; there was a VERY long and gradual path of brain expansion that eventually resulted in the creation of culture, art, etc.
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marzipanni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 03:50 AM
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16. I'll throw this into the mix
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 03:00 PM
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54. Yeah. Confusing abiogenesis with evolution...
...does not bode well for their opinions on scientific theories.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:44 AM
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4. What about Peter Pan peanut butter?
How did those organisms get in there?

Heat and energy... duh

On second though, God did it
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:49 AM
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5. I just opened my peanut butter. It talked to me!!
Should I call that preacher man and report the evidence???

I'm SERIES!!!1111!
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:45 PM
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47. Mine did to!
It said "Eat me."
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 03:19 AM
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8. How do they know there's no new life
in a jar of peanut butter?

Is it not possible even likely that most of us might not recognize an alternative life form if we were confronted with it?

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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 03:22 AM
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9. Captain Underwear-On-Head (the author of that video)
not only has gamma ray vision to allow him to see microscopic things, but also has the brainpower to work out that the entire surface of the earth 4.8 billion years ago, and for the next billion years, was all one substance, and that substance was peanut butter.

Which is why the ground is made of it to this very day. :eyes:
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 03:24 AM
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10. Shows what You know
The Earth is only 3 1/2 years old. :P

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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 03:26 AM
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11. That's just a Jesuit conspiracy. I'll see your 3 & 1/2 years and raise you
a claim that the earth does not rotate.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 03:35 AM
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14. oh yeah?
Australia is a lie set up by the Illuminati!
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 03:36 AM
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15. I'll see your Illuminati, and raise you a quasi-biblical prophecy that shows
werewolves eat anyone who eats pomegranates.... on wednesdays.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 04:57 AM
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17. you forgot that it is flat and square.
The four corners of the earth. :shrug:
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 05:42 AM
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18. .... and made of six elements, earth fire water air quintessence phlogiston.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 03:29 AM
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12. Ok, I know some very, very smart devout Christians...
...and two of them just cringed when they saw this video.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 10:13 AM
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19. This should be in the video section.
What are they saying? There's no sound card on this computer.
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:52 AM
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24. ALL he says
is -
the fact that no new life forms inside a fresh jar of peanut butter proves to us all that the universe could not have ever developed life forms without help from God.
he doesn't know that tiny stuff is alive inside peanut butter which comes from live plants anyway and that the first ever life ANYWHERE was so small his eyes couldn't have seen it.

& I didn't want to give him credit for making a point but he's saying a LOT about anti-evolution wizards.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:30 PM
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31. THAT's his proof?
Nothing crawls out of a jar of peanut butter, so evolution is false? Is the jar supposed to be an analogy for the early Earth or something?
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 01:23 PM
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36. the jar's
his analogy for God's Entire Universe! :crazy:
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 10:23 AM
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20. Wow.
:rofl:
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edwin Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:04 AM
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22. i am with you.
:rofl:
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 10:36 AM
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21. I think I just lost a few brain cells
from watching that. What the hell? My sister (a born again Christian) gave me a book about all the problems with evolution. I can't for the life of me remember what it was called and I can't find it on Amazon.com. Anyway, because evolution was a part of my research as a grad student, she gave me this book and it was so utterly ridiculous.

There was something I was going to say about the book but I forgot what it was while I was trying to figure out the name of it. Oh well, just proves that video killed some brain cells.
:crazy:
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gizmonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:56 AM
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26. "Now I know what it feels like to be God!"
Edited on Fri Mar-30-07 12:03 PM by gizmonic



:P
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:32 PM
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32. Am I going to find peanut butter monsters all over the house tonight?
I hope not. They won't get along with all the soda cracker monsters I created last night.
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gizmonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:37 PM
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33. *Snarf!*
Jiffy vs. the Great God Peter Pan

:P
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 01:55 PM
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38. Most likely.


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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:00 PM
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27. I wonder what would happen if you combined
all of the peanut butter in the video with the giant chocolate Jesus? A Reese's Jesus?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:15 PM
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41. It's a snack miracle! nt
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:05 PM
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28. I'm running for school board and I got a call last night
asking if it would be okay to have a two week course teaching about what is wrong with evolution. I told her it would be something I would consider if it were factual and open to criticism and rebuttal.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:07 PM
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29. omg...
where would you even BEGIN to respond to this,lol.jeezus chryst!
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:17 PM
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30. How does he know that there wasn't life in there?
Before he opened that jar it could have had little people in there and right before it was opened, they were raptured. Plus, if you notice, the seal has already been pulled back. That means it was opened before he "opened" it. Maybe they let the life out? Or.. maybe he didn't have enough faith that there wouldn't be life in there so he checked before the cameras were rolling. So many unanswered questions....
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 12:40 PM
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34. Well, I'm convinced.
:eyes:
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 01:48 PM
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37. good lord
Wow, people are dumb.
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:08 PM
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39. LOL! The fundies are providing endless amusement for me these days.
I was just perusing the user reviews at amazon.com for Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion". Lots of fundies who appear not to have read the book are giving negative reviews, and a couple of people who read the book are providing the smackdown in the "comments" section. Good stuff!

http://tinyurl.com/yqjeeq
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:13 PM
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40. Dawkins is the best
Did you hear his Fresh Air NPR interview?
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:40 PM
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45. YES! That's what prompted me to look it up on Amazon.
I think he sold me a book that day. :thumbsup:
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:22 PM
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42. wow did Focus on the Family issue a recent fatwa on this book...
The first two pages of reviews (which is as far as I got) all came from fundies I wonder if they issued an action alert to freep his book review. Just a side note, have you read Dawkins book yet? I have $120 to spend at Barnes and Noble and I didn't want to shell out $30 bucks (although it's $10 cheaper online) if it wasn't a good read so I bought Sam Harris' "End of Faith" instead.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:37 PM
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44. Do you mean The God Delusion?
If so I have it read on Ipod. It is pretty compelling. Also amusing if a bit sarcastic.
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:49 PM
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50. yes...
I saw it at B&N yesterday but just couldn't spend 30 dollars on it. I'll wait until it comes out in paperback or order it online
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:46 PM
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48. To be fair, I filtered the reviews at that link so only the worst ones showed up.
If you look at all of the reviews, they are mostly 4-5 stars with glowing praise. I found it more fun to seek out the bad ones with the same talking points, tho. :evilgrin:
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:47 PM
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49. Oh ok that explains it then
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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:22 PM
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43. *Falls on knees* JESUS! PLEASE FORGIVE ME!!!!!1!!! I'm Series!
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:44 PM
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46. Where in the HELL
did this guy get his engineering degree? Oral Roberts? Liberty? This is truly mind boggling.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:49 PM
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51. standard scientific bait and switch
what the hell would an engineer know about evolution? Answer: Exactly the same as anyone else who isn't a biologist. They always do this: "Look, this PhD said we're right!" when I doubt that his/her degree in Ancient Chinese Literature makes them an expert on speciation.
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av8rdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:51 PM
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52. how low does your IQ have to be to be a fundie, anyway?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 02:56 PM
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53. bwahahahaha-- our evil scientific plot is succeeding....
We are making fundies humiliate themselves! Bwahahahaha!
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 03:03 PM
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55. for the record, I prefer the banana
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 05:27 PM
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56. Somebody Needs To Explain "The Flintstones" Then
Not only could animals talk, but they also acted as major appliances. Hmmm.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 10:28 PM
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58. Oh BS!!!...To the nutter in that link: The egg came first.
The egg which hatched the first chicken was not laid by a chicken! See???..... problem solved.
And while we are at it: The earth, which incidentally, is sorta round like a "ball" as opposed to a "pizza", travels in an ellipse around the sun. So stick that in yer "Gud Buk" and smoke it while enjoying a nice healthy Soylent Green burger.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 10:53 PM
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60. Uhm, no...
the chicken came first. :P
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:08 PM
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61. Nuh uh!
First Chicken had the same honor as every other chicken since...the only difference was that its parents were not chickens! Its mother was a hummingbird and it's father was an evangelist!* If he would have stayed a Catholic Priest, Col Sanders would be out a career!








*see, size DOES matter...those who can do, those who can't become evangelists!!!! It's true, I tell ya! Just ask any evangelist if size matters and watch him turn all shades of red before NOT answering.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:42 PM
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63. ROFLMAO
:rofl:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 10:52 PM
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59. Who knew life was like a jar of peanut butter?
You mean poor Forrest Gump had it all wrong in the movie?
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snailly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:15 PM
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62. Welp, I guess that settles it!
Are these people truly that stupid or do they just truly believe we (the populace) are that stupid?
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:45 PM
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64. Sooo that is where that bug came from!! And to think I threw that peanutbutter out!!
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 11:46 PM
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65. Good God, those are some scary people. I am SO glad I don't eat peanut butter.
Redstone
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