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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 11:06 PM
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Millions of people across this globe suffering - I doubt God cares who won
And I think it's fucking rude as hell for these sports players to make it seem like 'God was on our side'

Perhaps God has better things to do around the globe than to figure out who he wants to win in the Super Bowl.
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 11:43 PM
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1. God's not doing
a very good job at the latter, though...

Perhaps it is a he and he just sits around watching sports all day...

;-)
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 11:49 PM
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6. Bwahaaahhaaa! Right On Beaver Baby!
:rofl:

best post today beaver!

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slj0101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 11:46 PM
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2. Tell it to the sixteen other threads on the subject...
:yawn:

So what if someone thanks God they won. It wasn't like there was a baptism by force at halftime or anything.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:33 AM
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12. You're bored with the subject? Then you don't have to post a reply, do you?
Redstone
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slj0101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:34 AM
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14. I'll post what I damn well feel like posting.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:49 AM
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26. Of course you will. But if a subject bores you, why bother? I was just asking.
Redstone
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:37 AM
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17. The 'Pretzel' said so!!
get with the program!! :sarcasm:
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 11:47 PM
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3. Exactly. Everyone knows God is on the side of the Irish Catholics.
:hide:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:19 AM
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38. Blasphemy!
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 01:19 AM by JVS
God loves the Swedes
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:20 AM
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42. All I have to say is...
You're from PITTSburgh, so...

Shut the fuck up.

:rofl:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:22 AM
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43. Fuck you, you stinking jersey douchebag
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:24 AM
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:25 AM
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48. you can't do it yourself? You've been swindled!
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:51 AM
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61. Yeah, but it's more fun with two.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:45 AM
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71. That's right
And, you're MY Jersey douchebag.
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GenDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 10:39 AM
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76. I'll go along -- after all I am Irish and I am Catholic
But....they must have really pissed Him off in the mid 1800's when they were all starving to death from the potato famine.

Could it be He was siding with the British Protestant landowner's during that time period?....Just like He sided with Indianapolis over Chicago yesterday. :shrug:
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 11:47 PM
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4. I often think they should have a war played out on a football field.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 11:49 PM
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5. Exactly my thoughts....
Only I think it arrogant and childish as well as rude...
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Lethe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:19 AM
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7. 17,000 children starved to death today while God was watching the Superbowl
i hope he enjoyed it. It's a shame that he couldn't help out any of those kids though.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:23 AM
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:28 AM
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10. You know, this is the third post I've seen you make that comment
That people were acting like freepers. I think that's totally inappropriate. Some people find it pretty absurd to be thanking god for winning a football game - they're not cramming that down your throat either.

If you disagree with the OP, fine. But there's no need to be callng people freepers.
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:33 AM
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13. I didn't call anybody a freeper....I said they we're acting like one.
While LynneSin is almost always a Grade A DUer in my book, I believe this type of behavior is totally inappropriate for DUers. I call it as I see it.

It's not absurd to thank God, Allah, Satan, Jehosaphat, or The Flying Spaghetti Monster for any accomplishment you've achieved. Again, if Dungy had thanked Allah, the freepers would be all over him, and all the DUer's would be defending him. The freepers are the ones who want to hate on those of different religious beliefs - not us. And for us as DUers to do such a thing is hypocritical.
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:39 AM
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See, I don't think we would all be defending him if he thanked Allah
I for one would find that just as absurd as thanking god. Which isn't "hating on" anything - it's an opinion.

As for whether you called someone a freeper or said they were acting like one - that's just semantics and either way, I think it's overboard.
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:41 AM
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20. Well, I'm sorry if it sounded like that.

However, hating on somebody because they express their religion is freeper-like behavior. We should be better than that.

It's totally different if he was trying to force his religion on you or anybody else, but he wasn't. He just thanked God for a happy moment...that's all.
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:48 AM
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24. You have no concept of the difference between expressing an opinion
and "hating on", do you?

Whatever, dude. There are plenty of christians who've expressed a disgust that someone would thank god for something as trivial as a football victory - does that mean they're "self-hating christians?"

No, he wasn't trying to force his religion on me - and no one is trying to force their opinion on you.

:nuke:
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:52 AM
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28. LOL....I know the difference.

You should never express digust at somebody thanking God, Allah, Satan, or anybody else for an achievement. Of course, it's you're right to do whatever you want, but it's just wrong.

Hate is always wrong; love is always right.
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:56 AM
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30. Disgust is not hate
Disagreement is not hate. An alternate viewpoint is not hate. And telling others that expressing their disgust is "just wrong" is amazingly intolerant.

I'm done.
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:57 AM
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31. True, but the OP was hate, not just an alternate viewpoint.

There's a huge difference.

Again...we as DUer's should be better than that.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:09 AM
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66. I was hate?
Gee thanks!

No, I was irritation that they treat God like he's some selfish person who took Sunday off to watch a damn football game
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:08 AM
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65. Here's the scoop - sorry to have missed your original post
I have no problem with the winners thanking God - hell that's one of the first people I'd thank if I did something spectacular like win the Super Bowl.

My problem is that Irsay and then Dungy went on for like 5-10 minutes with a Sermon about how God seemed to be blessing the Colts, blah-blah-blah and personally I found THAT disgusting. I'm watching the Super Bowl not a Sunday sermon.

And I'm a pretty hard-core Christian here but try to be someone who actually follows the teaching of Jesus NOT the rest of that stuff in the bible. And I hardly doubt that Jesus would care who won the Super Bowl either.

I think Matthew 6:5-7 sums up how I feel about the whole issue:

Prayer
5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him

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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:12 AM
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79. Please read Revelatiion 24:12
and then God looked up and bet 20 on the Colts with the spread and all was good. and then he said that Peyton Manning is a good man and unlike Tom Brady doesn't spread his seed through all the hollywood starlets and he should win..
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:22 AM
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69. Not only that
This thread wouldn't have even started if the Eagles made it and won and said the same thing. I guarantee it.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:39 AM
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19. Oh, balls. Utter balls. For anyone to think ANY deity is responsible, is complete hubris.
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 12:42 AM by Redstone
I don't think that any God makes anyone win a football game.

Furthermore, didn't Dungy allude to the fact that the Chicago coach is also a Christian?

So why didn't God give them a tied game? Hey, they're both Christians, after all.

Redstone
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:44 AM
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22. You're looking at it all wrong. Nobody said that.

Nobody ever said God helped them win the game. You see all you guys are thinking that they think God "took their side" or helped them win. They're just having a happy moment and thanking God for the experience and for life...that's all. They've never implied God took sides or even paid attention to the game....that would be hubris. However, to say that Dungy (who happens to be one of the most humble guys in sports), is saying that God took his side is just wrong.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:48 AM
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23. Yes, they DID say that. They absolutely did.
Redstone
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:49 AM
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25. ??????????They said God took sides???

No they didn't...what we're you watching?
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:51 AM
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27. I was watching CBS. And I know what I heard and saw.
Redstone
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:53 AM
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29. I was watching intently, and saw no such thing.

I'll guess I'll just have to dig up the video.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:07 AM
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32. OK, you want to continue to maintain that God favors one team over the other in
NFL football, be my guest.

Redstone
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:10 AM
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34. I never said that, and neither did Dungy.

In fact, if he did say that it would be total bullshit.

That's almost the exact opposite of what Dungy said. C'mon, you're twisting his words around.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:27 AM
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51. eh, some people are just too crotchety for a common sense of good...
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 01:28 AM by bridgit
:rofl: all things will pass :hippie: i hear you though, if i wanted my words twisted into a meaningless heap i'd move back in with my mother a true piece of work and just as proud :thumbsup:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:08 AM
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33. Like I said, if you want to believe that God cares about football, go ahead and do so.
Redstone
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:11 AM
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35. I don't think he does, but that was never said.

They never said God cares about football. They were just giving thanks for the experience. Dammit...you're twisting their words all around to suit your argument.
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:16 AM
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36. Give up, Redstone
It's like trying to hammer nails into concrete with a rubber mallet - nothing penetrates. :banghead:
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:19 AM
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39. Quite the contrary.

I'm listening to what you guys are saying, but you are not making counters to my arguments, just harping that they said, "God took sides." That was never said.

I'm doing so in a respectful and polite way, and now you're the one with the insulting post. However, I'm not going to stoop to that, and I'm sorry if I've offended you.

However, you guys are very wrong on this.
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:26 AM
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49. Where did I say that?
Where did I say anything about god taking sides?

You call comparing du'ers to freepers "respectful and polite?"

I made counters to your arguments and explained several times why it's not "hate" to find the concept of thanking god for a football game absurd. You just kept hammering on and on that it's "hating on" people's religion.

And now you tell me bluntly that I'm "very wrong."

Respectful and polite indeed.

You just seem to be one of those people who has to have the last word. Well, have at it. Because, quite frankly, this whole issue is silly to me and the only reason I stepped into it was because I found your continued comparison to freepers offensive.

But I'm just "very wrong."


Well, I guess I'll thank god it's bedtime. :eyes:

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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:31 AM
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54. Sorry, you've understood my posts all wrong.

Redstone was saying that Dungy said God took sides....I disagree with that.

They weren't thanking God for a football game - they were thanking him for life. That's how I see it. I just don't think that you are being fair.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:20 AM
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41. Yes, I need to invoke Redstone's Rule #3: "Never argue with someone who has
the same answer for every question."

Thanks for the reminder.

Redstone
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:23 AM
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44. LOL...pot calling the kettle black.
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 01:46 AM by TroubleMan
You answered me with the same answer (which was incorrect), so I countered with the same response.

Look...I'm not trying to get in a flame war. Can we talk about this reasonably?

My viewpoint is that Dungy never said or implied that God took sides or that God cares much about football. My point is that he was thanking God for the experience, the happy feeling, the joy of coming back after his son commited suicide last year. This guy isn't a fundie...he's a pretty liberal guy. Excoriating him on for thanking God is wrong, and I believe an unfair judgement upon him.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:24 AM
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46. pft...
:spray: :thumbsup:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:26 AM
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50. You can beat a dead horse with a broken stick, but you can't make him drink.
Mixed metaphors, but applicable in this case.

Redstone
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:29 AM
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53. LOL....I used to drink Crazyhorse, but I'm much better now.

We'll just have to agree to disagree, but seriously....just on this one....you guys are being unfair to Dungy.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:36 AM
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56. No, he and the owner of the team did WAY too much God after the game. Listen, he
did make mention of the fact that the Chicago coach is a Christian as well...so why didn't God make the game a tie?

Just wondering.

Redstone
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:37 AM
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58. Because God doesn't take sides in a football game (as far as I know).
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 01:43 AM by TroubleMan
We just keep going in circles...LOL.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:13 AM
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67. No buddy - you keep going in circles
Thankfully others were awake while I was sleeping off this horrible cold.

I stand by my original post, if you didn't understand what I said then perhaps you should start your own thread with your own interpretation instead of coming into mine spouting off that I'm hateful and something about a freeper that it seems got deleted. Instead you've hijacked the tread with your own interpretation and tried to beat that proverbial dead horse to death when others understood quite clearly how I felt about the issue.

Thanks for calling me a Grade-A DUer, I think?
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Dean Martin Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:27 AM
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9. one of the reasons I will never support the Colts
We have people homeless in Indianapolis, starving, out of work. Our inner city schools need teachers, equipment, books, air conditioning, heating. We need more police, fire fighters, ambulance drivers, all sorts of stuff. Yet they force us to pay taxes for a football stadium. Taxes for sports are immoral and I will not support them.
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Jokerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 10:47 AM
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77. BEST POST AWARD!!!
"Taxes for sports are immoral and I will not support them"

THANK YOU!
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Jimbo S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:51 AM
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81. How much do the Colts add to the economy?
If it outweighs the taxes, then it's worth it.
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Jokerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:13 PM
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83. No, it's not.
You make the mistake of assuming that without tax support, there would be no professional sports. If it were illegal for crooks like Irsay to extort money from state and local governments they would still have ticket sales and TV revenue.

We let high paying industrial jobs leave the state in droves and pretend a minimum wage job in a concession stand makes up for it.
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Jimbo S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:29 PM
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88. I don't know the situation in Indy
but up here in Milwaukee a new stadium was needed to keep the baseball team from possibly leaving town. I know the financial and quality of life impact the team provides justifies the tax support it received.
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Dean Martin Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:05 PM
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92. Several economists have already said that is an outright lie
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 07:08 PM by Dean Martin
Even ESPN had a prominent economist on last year saying it's a myth that pro sports put that much money back into local economies. Most of the jobs added are minimum wage service jobs or restaurant jobs relying solely on tips. The major chains that get the money are national chains that do not put the money back into the local economy. I believe there is also a book called Moneyball or something like that which goes into the myth.

Pro sports owners and their players are millionaires several times over. They can build their own damned stadiums without any help from ordinary people. The Irsays screwed over Baltimore with the worst team in the NFL demanding taxes for a new stadium. Baltimore said they wouldn't support taxes for a last place team so the Irsays sneaked out of town in the middle of the night.

Tony George does everything at the Speedway on his own dollar, no taxes. I don't follow racing, but I don't mind it at all because I'm not paying any taxes for it.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:03 PM
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82. It's the biggest bullshit shame in this country - sports is the religion
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 12:03 PM by Rabrrrrrr
and it gets funded at the expense of things that actually matter, like schools, the arts, roads, infrastructure, etc.

Yeah, let's tax the proles to build a stadium for a team made up of millionaires who earn money from the ticket sales and merchandising, but who never help pay for the stadium that the proles paid for; but, as soon as the stadium needs some work, is it the team that makes $100 million a year that helps fix it? Nope, it's time to tax the proles again. And they don't even do the taxing directly - maybe they increase the sales tax 0.5%, maybe add a little more to the property taxes, but mostly they do it by selling bonds to rich people which then the rich people later sell back to the state (or city) for face value plus interest: so the state is (IMO unlawfully, certainly immorally) taxing people for the cost of the stadium, AND THEN forcing them to pay even more tax in interest going to the rich people who likely own the team anyway.

There is little that makes me angrier than taxing people for sports stadiums.
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Dean Martin Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:53 PM
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93. and as soon as they get the stadiums
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 07:56 PM by Dean Martin
they start selling off players, then people get pissed that suddenly the teams suck. And they all wonder how and why that happened. More money in the bank for the owners and their rich friends.

This past summer, we had a murder spree in Indy. Our mayor said he was going to have to layoff policemen. The cops got mad and stopped patrolling. I talked to an Indianapolis cop and he told me it was because they were pissed at the mayor because he laid off cops, forced the rest to work overtime, said there was no budget to hire them back, yet they gave millions to the Colts for their stadium.
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Jimbo S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #93
99. Please don't use the Colts situation to overgeneralize
they start selling off players, then people get pissed that suddenly the teams suck.

The Brewers have doubled their payroll since Miller Park opened. Yesterday, they signed their best player to a four-year deal. He's not going anywhere.

This past summer, we had a murder spree in Indy. Our mayor said he was going to have to layoff policemen.

I'm reading "Freakonomics" and the author's conclusion is police staffing is not such as significant factor in the big picture of things.
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Dean Martin Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:40 AM
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108. However
Edited on Wed Feb-07-07 02:56 AM by Dean Martin
when you're hearing from policemen themselves, and their morale is low because they're losing their jobs and seeing big money from the city going to millionaires to play games.

I've no problem with private money building stadiums, but I stick by my opinion that it is wrong and immoral for tax money to be forcibly taken from us to build stadiums.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 09:32 AM
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109. Wrong and immoral, indeed.
If the fuckers can afford topay guys $10 million a year, they can afford to build their own fucking stadium.

And they shouldn't be allowed to just "rezone" or "condemn" an area that people live in just so they can destroy all the houses to build their fucking stadium, either.
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Dean Martin Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 06:21 PM
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113. They forced a business out to take their land for Indy's stadium
I may have my info wrong, but IIRC here in Indy they forced a small business to close its doors and took its land for the Colts' new stadium. Of course the people there lost their jobs. If I'm wrong about that, I'm sure I'll get corrected.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:08 PM
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116. And all the houses that mysteriously became "uninhabitable" and just HAD to be condemned
down in Texas when Shrubbie was building the Texas Rangers stadium.

What a miracle it was that those ten or twenty who didn't want to sell their homes had somehow managed to survive in those obviously dangerous homes that, thank God, the city fathers realized needed to all be condemned.

There's "sports morality" for you.

Bread and circuses, baby - gotta keep the people obsessed about sports so they can fuck 'em from behind without them noticing or caring much.
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Dean Martin Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:20 PM
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117. Well the Feds did the same thing with interstates
Ever notice how several interstates run through poor parts of cities? They just displaced poor people in ghettos, tore them down, built the interstates and didn't give any thought to destroying neighborhoods and homes. I read a social commentary once that said the building of the interstates was one of the events that accelerated the family breakdowns in inner cities. People lost their homes, family businesses, and no longer had a feeling of being connected to a neighborhood. The ones that were "lucky" enough to get placed in housing were stuck in cheap high rise project tenaments that quickly deteriorated.

The government seemed to have the attitude that because these people were poor, they wouldn't care where they lived and had no neighborhood connections. Well in many cases the gov't was wrong about that, but it didn't matter. The people were forced to leave, their neighborhoods torn down and the interstates put in.
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Jimbo S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:18 AM
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100. Sports matter to me
and it gets funded at the expense of things that actually matter, like schools, the arts, roads, infrastructure, etc.

When I look for a place to live, I'm looking for a high quality of life. Sports/entertainment is among those things I find important, along with schools, roads, etc. I see plenty of money going to schools, roads, arts.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:29 AM
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11. What you said. I had to leave the room when Dungy started spouting that crap.
Redstone
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vikegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:17 AM
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37. So you can't support God....
and be liberal?


How close.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:24 AM
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47. Sensitive, much? I didn't say that.
Redstone
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vikegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:29 AM
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52. You called it 'crap'.....
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 01:31 AM by vikegirl
huh. I respect someone else's religion. And, btw, I am agnostic. Why are you watching the Superbowl if all you can do is 'crap' on someone's religon? :shrug:

Edit: The irony.
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:32 AM
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55. Bwahahahahahaha
I'm sorry but was that intentionally funny? -

"Why are you watching the Superbowl if all you can do is crap on someone's religon?"

Because if so, it was brilliant. :applause:
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vikegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:37 AM
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57. FUNNY!
The fact that anyone is complaining about the Superbowl...and yet still COMPLAINNING! is funny. :rofl:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:42 AM
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59. That's the most astonishingly disconnected "logic" that I've ever seen. You win the prize:
"Why are you watching the Superbowl if all you can do is 'crap' on someone's religon?"

You do indeed win the Blue Ribbon...After all, what right do I have to watch a football game, if I don't agree with the public spouting of religion by one of the team's owner and its coach?

Well, yes, I guess I SHOULDN'T watch the game if I don't agree with their religiousity...

Redstne
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vikegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:48 AM
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60. Okay, I guess that was low....
but to say Tony Dungy is some of freak because he thanks god for his win and say he's some sort of right wing tool is also low. I am as liberal as they come...and I rooted for the "religious freak" Dungy....please don't say because I may root for a "religious nut" that I am the enemy.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:56 AM
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62. Did I say he's a "right-wing tool?" Did I say that "you are the enemy?"
No, I did not. YOU said those things.

I'm really tired of hearing nonsense like this, do I'm checking out of this thread. If you and your pal want to think that God made the Colts win a football game, be my guest.

Redstone
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vikegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:03 AM
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64. my pal?
WTF? :shrug:

Really. Redstone, as a junior member of DU, you were one of my heroes...You won't see this, because you're checking out). I opined my opinion. And.....because of the SB :shrug:?
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #47
89. Lol, who are you calling sensitive?
You had to literally leave the room when a man thanked God.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:16 AM
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68. I support God and I'm a liberal
what they were spouting off yesterday was crap.

I have no problem with people thanking God for their success - hell I do it at least once a day. But that wasn't thanking last night - that was a boastful shame that I saw ESPECIALLY from Irsay. It's one thing to thank God for your success, it's another to assume God was 'on your side tonight'. God wasn't on anyone's side - God blessed all of those men with amazing skills and then the teams determined who was best out on the field
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:36 AM
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15. The Football Gawd!!!
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:36 AM
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16. What God?
eom
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suzbaby Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:39 AM
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18. One could argue
that IF there is a God, and He is omnipotent, then he cares about everything and everyone -- from trivial to life changing events.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:43 AM
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21. I would think that God is capable of multi-tasking, right?
I mean, I'm just a mere mortal but today I exercised, gave to charity, did some work, played with my cat, talked (and more) with my wife, and I still found time to care who won the Super Bowl.

In other words, I don't think it's rude at all - pointless, and almost certainly incorrect - but not rude...
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:19 AM
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40. won what...oh, the stupid bowl!?!??!!?
whatever :rofl:
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:57 AM
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63. If God had anything to do
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 02:06 AM by CC
with it an Irsay would never have a winning team. But then again now that the Indy Colts have a superbowl win can they give Baltimore back the Balto Colts records and history? :evilgrin: Sorry can't celebrate without remembering the colts sneaking out in the middle of the night after Irsay LIED on the 11:00 news. Jim can lie all he wants that he didn't know but he did work in the front office and it was his dad.


Edited to add= I couldn't stay tuned during Irsay so missed Dungy. As for the players. coaches etc, they deserve credit where credit is due and should enjoy. Irsay, whole different story. specially as he tried to continue the lie.





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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:32 AM
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70. Why God doesn't answer prayer
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:49 AM
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72. God does answer. Sometimes the answer is no.
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:50 AM
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73. Thanks for saying so Lynne
Shit like that makes me want to vomit.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:51 AM
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74. I'm with you - I wish they would learn better theology.
If they want to thank God for giving them such incredible football playing skills, that's one thing.

But thanking God for a win - that's actually, IMO, riding the edge of blasphemy. It's certainly hit the realm of being fucknuts stupid.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 09:09 AM
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75. Totally agree.
It makes them look like jackasses.


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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:00 AM
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78. This is why I love hockey....
....no phony, cloying God-talk in the locker room after games. I've yet to hear a hockey player spout about "my personal Lord and Savior" after winning the Stanley Cup. They're too busy filling the trophy with beer.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:26 AM
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80. your just mad that God screwed the Eagles a few years ago
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 03:13 PM
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86. It's proof that God doesn't love me
:cry:

(just kidding God!)
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:15 PM
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84. god should have better things to do. how about a cure for AIDS? poverty?
seriously god should not be allowed frivolities right now.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:06 PM
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85. How can something that doesn't exist care about the outcome of a sports game?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 03:43 PM
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87. Good question.
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 03:43 PM by Oregonian
I'm always pretty amazed at how many people actually believe there is some sort of invisible giant/skyfairy in some vague human form who hovers above the Earth (nevermind the billions of other planets in the universe) and makes this airplane crash but only that one person survive and those two people fall in love and that hurricane wipe out thousands of homes and this person get cancer but not that one, etc. etc.

:crazy:

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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:54 PM
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90. Well, that's obvious
If God gave a hoot about sports, She never would have let those faithless vagabonds anywhere near the trophy. In fact, one would have expected lightning to have struck the Whatever-They're-Calling-It-This-Week Dome at least once by now.

Actually, the best gauge of the Supreme Deity's attitude might have been the weather: lousy. Just what they both deserved. :puke:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:46 PM
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91. Not just rude... it's using God's name in vain, which is supposed to be a sin.
One of the worst sins, understandably... Right up there with greed, the other sin no preacher is gonna touch with a 10 foot pole...
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gemdem Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:56 PM
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94. I heard that God had 10 large on the Colts
He cleaned up when they beat the spread...

Yeah, I'm tired of all the "Jesus Saves" crap in pro sports (including the college scene). It's just a friggin' game, people. Get real!
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 03:23 AM
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95. My opinion: Football is stupid.
Believing that God is on your side because you won is even more stupid.

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 04:44 AM
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96. normally He would not care
but since SATAN was rooting for da Bears, He felt obligated to get involved.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 06:27 AM
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97. I think you're being unfair.
The man was overjoyed. He's been wanting to win for years and years, he's come close year after year, with really good teams, but fallen short. This is his LIFE. He must realize that he's made football history, and black history (his name will probably be a part of black history month from now on...the school i work at is largely black, and believe me, lovie smith and tony dungy were big names this year, and probably will be for some time to come), and he's finally made what he probably has dreamed about for years, to come true.
You're not looking at the big picture. It's not just a 'football game' to Tony Dungy. It's his livelihood, what puts food on his table, and what he loves doing.
So when he finally won it, this was his way of expressing joy. Some people might be put off by it, but it's his sincere emotion, and I don't find it to be hubris. If I were hankering for a particular job, or wanting a particular thing to happen, and it did, I would thank God for it, too, and wonder if God was on my side, backing me up.
You know, that whole thing about 'God is with us'?
Tony Dungy isn't causing millions of people across the globe to suffer. He's just a man who's been waiting for years to have his day, and now it's come, and people in this thread want to beat up on him over it?
Give him a break.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:33 AM
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102. Irsay was much worse than Dungy
I have no problem with people thanking God for success. I have a problem when people treat God as someone who prefers one team/group/organization/country over others
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 10:16 PM
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106. I don't know Irsay, so I don't really have anything to say for him.
I was just speaking in defense of Dungy, and trying to give people some perspective.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 09:42 AM
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110. 'Thanking' is very different from 'triumphalism'.
And what we see mostly in the public sphere is (heretical) triumphalist nonsense that stems from hubris, arrogance, a lack of modesty, and a total misappropriation of God/Jesus; sadly, what we hear very little of is actual faithfulness.

I, for one, am sick and tired of the triumphalist bullshit.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 06:58 AM
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98. I wonder...
How many of you complaining about this actually believe in God?

Just curious.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:30 AM
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101. Oh I believe in God
I consider myself a Christian. And I pray everyday and thank God for my health and that I'm gainfully employeed and a few other fortunate situations I've found myself involved. And I know that God is capable of multi-tasking - no question about that either.

Had Irsay just thanked God for giving him the skilled players and talent to win the Super Bowl I probably wouldn't have been bothered. Hell if I won the Super Bowl I would have done the same exact thing - thank you God for giving me the talent to be successful.

But treating God as someone who actually had a preferred team in the Super Bowl is just wrong and Irsay was the biggest to blame
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:22 PM
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118. I believe in God, but I don't believe God micromanages to the point of fixing football games.
Actually, I don't think He micromanages at all.

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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 10:19 AM
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103. At first glance, I thought this was tongue in cheek. But..."Upon further Review"
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 10:19 AM by GalleryGod
This is why this joint stinks to high heavens sometimes.

Like that DU Cop on another thread that excoriated me for seeing "Letters from Iwo Jima" because the multi-Oscar awarded East wood was "a big time Rethug".

Anyway...CLEARWATER's-A-Coming !!!
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 10:22 AM
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104. Millions of people across this globe suffering - I doubt god cares.
mainly because i doubt that god exists KNOW that god does NOT exist.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 10:00 AM
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112. Hey Q/A!
Look at my post just below your post. I posted ONE MINUTE after you did. I suggested we leave off the last two words of Lynne's post. And that's exactly what you did! Synchro-ni-ci-ty!
GAC
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 10:23 AM
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105. As Far As I'm Concerend, You Could Have Ended Your Title. . .
. . .two words earlier.
The Professor
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 12:42 AM
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107. I'd like to hear the losers thank God.
You can learn & grow more from losing than from winning.
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Little Wing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 09:54 AM
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111. It would appear that God doesn't care about the millions of people suffering
Perhaps he should get to work, since if he's too busy to care about sports, what it is he actually is doing is helping :eyes:
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ohiosmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 06:25 PM
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114. Oh yeah! Then why was God wearing that Manning jersey?
Tell me that.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 06:26 PM
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115. i seen a woman the other day thank Jesus for winning a car on 'the price is right'...
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