Heather Mills-Paul McCartney Stabbed Me

[DemocratSinceBirth]

MSNBC Breaking....


Yikes...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. linky

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20606076-661,00.html

[whistle]

2. You mean Sir Paul McCartney the chivalrous knight did such a thing?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. I Don't Believe It.

That seems out of character.

[wtmusic]

5. No

He was accused of doing such a thing.

[no_hypocrisy]

6. He doesn't look so cute NOW, does he girls? n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Gosh- It's Only An Allegation

eom

[wtmusic]

9. Wow. We just buy right in, don't we? nt

[Hepburn]

19. What I am hearing...

...wealthy older man, much younger wife, they split and she is looking for bucks.

IMO, this is a crock.

[niyad]

22. GIRLS? there are mostly adult women on this board, who have

the good sense to fact check, and see proof, instead of just believing everything the tabloids say.

[Clinton Crusader]

26. exactly! n/t

[rwinkler]

60. Remember

This is what her lawyers are saying! Obviously for monetary gain!

[elehhhhna]

63. He was never nothin compared to John Lennon.

[ClusterFreak]

110. A comment worthy of Nancy Grace. n/t

[huskerlaw]

126. "Girls" don't even know who Paul McCartney is

Anyone old enough to a) have a clue who the fuck he is and b) ever have thought that he is/was cute is too old to be considered a "girl".

But I'm sure the use of that word was a mistake on your part. Certainly you didn't mean to sound like a patronizing ass.

[Penndems]

137. "Old"? We prefer "mature" or "life-seasoned"

We're in the prime of our lives! :D

Yep, I've had a crush on that man since 1964 - and he was cute. ;)

[Bake]

8. If you're being sarcastic, use a thingie for it.

One of these: :sarcasm:

I'm not buying her crap story.

Bake

[tulsakatz]

13. I'm not either!

this is just the result of a bitter divorce.

Even if he were an abusive person, don't you think we would have heard about it before now?

No, this is just Heather getting revenge.......

[wtmusic]

14. It's double sarcasm

whistle is mocking the idea of mocking the idea a knight could do such a thing.

I can tell.

[Bake]

23. Hard enough to tell when it's just single sarcasm, sometimes

Kinda like that double-hearsay stuff, gotta ask for a ruling on it!

Bake

[whistle]

39. I am old enough to know that anything between humans is possible

...including the most bazaar and unexpected.

I fully agree that the artist/poet/song writer Paul McCartney would in all likelihood never resort to such a violent display of primitive and uncivilized behavior. So to that, I append my statement to include: :sarcasm:

But, given that McCartney accepted the title of Her Majesty's Royal Knight and all of the honors such a title bestows upon one receiving such a distinction, the responsibility which goes along with maintaining ones position and status by having such a title could very well lead to pressures which would make one crack and possibly resort to violent means of keeping one's public honor. So, in that regard I would have to say: :wtf:

[wtmusic]

50. Ever since Paul insisted his name appear first

in the "Lennon/McCartney" writing credits, I've been wondering if he's been concealing an unattractive side of his personality.

Nonetheless -- in divorces, as in war, the first casualty is the truth.

May Heather end up with whatever she deserves.

[patcox2]

83. No, he asked that it come first on one song, which he wrote alone.

That would be "Yesterday." All of you who think Paul is so talentless will have a hard time explaining Johns jealousy and resentment, thats for sure. John apparently did not think he was the most talented, or at least he had his doubts. And by the way, the John the Junkie did beat his wife, he was an admitted abuser, over a long period.

[Darth_Kitten]

120. He's supposedly a control freak and rather a sexist guy......

I hate it that he's supposed to be the good guy in all this because he's a Beatle, and she's automatically a gold-digger. :sarcasm:

If you want gold-digger think of that nauseating daughter of his, Stella. Hasn't earned anything she's had in life, like right you get a million dollar contract out of trade school because you are THAT talented?

Heather sounds pretty bright whenever I've seen her on t.v. I don't know, just my impression.
She hasn't had an easy go of things and good for her for being so tough.

[skygazer]

114. Ooooh! I love a bazaar!

:bounce: Especially when they have a dancing bear - they're so bizarre! :bounce:

[ChoralScholar]

101. It's only a flesh wound! EOM

[Bake]

3. I believe that about as far as I can piss against a hurricane!

I just don't believe her. In my humble opinion, she is a lying, gold-digging, name-dropping, money-grubbing hussy who will say ANYTHING to get her hands on as much of Paul's money as possible!

Paul, Paul, Paul -- you shoulda had a prenup. Better yet, never married the woman.

Bake

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. I Have Seen Him In Concert Four Times Including DC on 7/4/90

This is sad and embarrassing.

[Penndems]

25. I was there, too!

Waaay in the back, bottom level. A memorable evening, to be sure! :hi:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Other Venues Where I Saw Sir Paul

Joe Robbie Stadium- 6/90


Citrus Bowl- Orlando -5/93

Blocbuster Bowl- (Charlotte) -6/93

My months might be a tad off...

[Penndems]

92. I saw Paul McCartney and Wings at the old Capital Centre, Largo, Maryland

July 1976, I believe it was. The crowd and the concert were both absolutely electric. I still have a copy of the Washington Post review from that gig - "A Beatle, Then And Now".

That man never puts on a bad show.

[Darth_Kitten]

134. Then of course he must be a model husband.

:evilgrin:

[Penndems]

136. LOL! "A model husband"? Nah.

Macca has a massive ego, even back in the 1960s, when women were throwing themselves at him.

He was married to a woman for almost thirty years who probably knew how to handle him. Heather didn't.

[elehhhhna]

64. Marrying that bimbo was very sad and embarassing,

as is his home hairdye job. Poor guy. What a mess.

[idgiehkt]

97. I wish people would stop calling her a bimbo.

It kind of smacks of classism...she's not a billionaire, she's got large breasts (natural, if I remember correctly), she used to be a model...well, there you go, she must be a bimbo.

So unenlightened.

[Clinton Crusader]

21. well said...

I agree 110% with everything you say. As I said in another post, she's just after the money. 4 years of marriage and she thinks she's entitled to hundreds of millions.

No renup. :scared: GEEEEEEEZ, with all that money!

He shoulda listened to his kids, when they said they hated her and don't marry her. Linda must be spinning....
:grr:

[Vinca]

10. The woman's a shrew - I don't believe her story. nt

[Kahuna]

52. She always struck me as a bit of a shrew. I was always worried..

that she would abuse Paul!!!! I really worried for him. I don't think many people who have seen them together will believe these tales.

I always felt that in his grief after losing Linda, he married the first woman to come along who resembled Linda. He was definately on the rebound. Poor guy. I STILL LOVE YOU PAUL!!! :loveya:

[idgiehkt]

109. that's quite generous to Linda.

I loved her but she's no Heather Mills, even in her younger days.

[wildhorses]

11. happiness is a warm gun, Paul

you should know better:eyes:

[hsher]

55. His mother should know... but then, lalalala, life goes on

[MadHound]

12. I think this following quote from the article explains it all

"The allegations that McCartney acted in a "vindictive and punitive" manner are part of Ms Mills' attempt to win a sizeable share of McCartney's $2.5 billion fortune."

Frankly I think that she married him for his money, and now she is going to try, by any means neccessary, to leave with his money. Apparently some of these allegations are pretty easily verifiable, thus it will all come out in the court case.

[rniel]

68. No kidding

Bill Gates tried to stab me, rape me and he also kidnapped me. I'm suing baby yeah.

[planetc]

71. A few words in favor of Paul, a few in favor of Heather

I have read a lot of interviews Paul has given to the press over the years, and the man who patiently answers the same stupid questions for the 900th time does not seem to have a lot of violence in him. He has also composed some sermons-in-song, like Hey, Jude, Let It Be, Put It There, etc. that are heard around the world as secular anthems to peace, love, and understanding. This doesn't mean he's a saint--he's also written a very effective song called Angry, so we know he does get angry. But that song is 1% of his output. The list of charges made against him contains very few incidents of actual alleged violence. And the bottom line is, I think, that he left her, not vice versa. Only some months after Paul walked do we have this list of charges, at least one of which is a bit funny: in interviews from happier times in the relationship, they report that Paul made breakfast daily and often packed lunch for Heather before she left for her day. If that's true, it doesn't seem unreasonable that Heather should cook dinner.

And what has happened in the months since Paul split is that the British press has continued to hound, harass, and generally trash Ms Mills without mercy, as they have been doing since the couple announced that they were a couple. Heather is undoubtedly passionately committed to the various causes she supports--they are clearly more important to her than almost anything else in her life. And the British press has succeeded in turning her reputation as a brave energetic campaigner into mud. In short, at this moment, her ability to raise funds for the causes she cares about is seriously impaired, and may never recover, in England at least. All this is would not excuse her lying to extract a few hundred extra millions from Paul, but if she is exaggerating energetically about Paul's "violence" then she may get a larger decree. If my analysis is correct, I think Heather should sue the British tabloids directly, and put blame where it's due.

These are just a few speculations from someone who thinks Paul is a major musical talent and force for good, and Heather has been a major force for good on the anti-landmine and amputee relief fronts.

[hsher]

95. Not that anyone will care, but...

Personally I think Paul McCartney is a swell guy and doesn't have a violent bone in his body. He strikes me as passive-aggressive, the kind of man who drives THE WOMAN to violent rage... quiet, noncommital, won't make a firm decision, will sulk, et cetera. Heather on the other hand looks capable of rage. I may be wrong, but I think Paul might be the wronged party here. I never met him, but back in 1990 or 91 I wrote a screenplay for him to star in, called "Agony", about a poor Irish dad in Liverpool struggling to keep his kids together after his wife leaves him, and sent it off to his attorneys. Paul actually contacted me back himself and was the most gracious human being on the face of the earth! His American attorney, whose name I can't remember dammit, was exceptionally cool too. About how rare should it be to be treated nicely by a Beatle when you're a nobody screenwriter?? McCartney was super cool and loved the script, but said, "I can't act, love. But you were kind of thinking of me. If ever I learn to act, especially well enough for the likes of this, and you hear about it, send this to me again and maybe I'll gun up the courage" or something like that.

I'm on Paul's side about this. For him to go out of his way as a frikkin BEATLE to actually phone a complete nobody and say nice things about their present to him? Way cool.

Heather can go straight to... ahem. Redacted. I'm sure she has her side of it. :sarcasm:

[idgiehkt]

98. That kind of reasoning is not allowed in threads concerning Heather Mills.

Despite the fact that this is supposed to be a liberal site and despite all the good that Mills has done over the last decade for landmine victims, and to improve the image of amputees in general by contiuing to model after her accident, and despite her efforts to convince other famous people to stop supporting the sadistic fur industry, that good ol' British misogyny which she's been thorougly thrased by since she married the ever virtuous Sir Paul (what the fuck did he marry her for...no one ever accuses him of marrying her for her breasts, lol, or her looks, or her youth, or whatever) has pretty much given the whole world permission to just rip her to shreds for no damn good reason except that alot of them have ex-wives too and fuck that bitch. It drives me freaking insane, I've been a fan of hers for a long time, before she even met him; he's okay, Wings has some good tunes and Lynda rocked in her causes. But she's like some sort of British Hillary Clinton or something, kind of a cultural thermometer for misogyny. And it sucks, because here is someone who is still busting her ass to try and do some good in the world with causes she had before Paul ever first watched her breasts bounce up to the podium at that awards benefit where he first saw her before he knew about her amputation or any of that. Ooh, she tricked him, the evil cow, she's done put the witchin on him and she'll make him pay.

Sigh.

:eyes:

[skygazer]

117. You know, that post was just as silly as the anti-Heather posts

To assume that he was after her for her breasts or "whatever" is just as silly as to knock her for no reason. But the thing is, she's given plenty of reason to be knocked, whether you like it or not. I'm all for being devoted to causes and I think highly of her work for amputees or landmine victims but I'm not a fan of PETA type bullshit and she's been a part of that as well. As for being a model, big fucking deal. What's noble about being a model? And I don't think she's acted at all maturely in this breakup - four years does not give her the right to all - or half - of his money, no matter how fucking noble she is.

[idgiehkt]

118. why did he marry her?

Why isn't anyone asking? Why is it automatically assumed that his motives were noble and hers weren't? I don't know what "PETA-type bullshit" you are referring to, but Paul and Linda McCartney have been part of that for decades so you can't draw a line in the sand between them on that one. How many years would give her a right to the money? 8, 10, 12? He could have had a prenup and he didn't. That is called shooting yourself in the foot.

A parallel I would draw with this is Donald Trump and his wife. Same billionaire marries young beauty, but in this case I think those two might be closer in age. It's as old as dirt, this type of thing, but it so happens that to her credit Mills happens to have an empathetic heart and the ambition and motivation to do something about causes she believes in. She should be lauded, not shredded. If you can't see what is 'noble' about an amputee continuing to model then I can't help you there.

What I think is silly is someone on the internet declaring how many years Mills should have to serve under Sir Paul before she has a right to this or that portion of his billions. Relevance?

[skygazer]

119. How the hell do I know why he married her?

How the hell do you know? I said nothing about his motives being pure because I DON'T KNOW. How do you know she didn't marry him for his money? I never said she did because I DON'T KNOW. And neither do you.

You seem to (wrongly) assume that anyone who suspects her motives is blinded by love for Paul McCartney. Newsflash for you - Paul was always my LEAST favorite Beatle and I have very little interest in any of this. But it amazes me that people who accuse others of playing favorites go right ahead and do the same thing.

As for the relevance of how long, how is it right that someone who was with someone less than 5 years should get half of the money he made over 40 years? That's fair and equitable? When she had absolutely nothing to do with it?

And you think I'm silly? :banghead:

[Penndems]

130. He has a co-dependent personality?

Just my guess . . . ;) :shrug:

[Darth_Kitten]

123. Bravo........

:D

[Hubert Flottz]

15. Surely you Joust!

What did he "stab" her with? Or was it just a tiny prick? Knights Stab Stuff!

[semillama]

73. walrus tusk, obviously. n/t

[Clinton Crusader]

16. What a load of.....

Crikey, this woman, I swear, I'm beginning to think she planned the entire thing from the get go. Marry him, string him along, have a baby, then slam him for all he's got. Does she really think anyone believes that he's a psychotic maniac, chasing her around the house trying to stab her?

Her story keeps changing. When they first split, she said he got too much attention from fans, yada, yada (awwww..) now he's an over the wall drunk (never heard of him drinking before) and he's trying to stab her and abused her regularly?

Isn't this the same woman who said she never heard of the Beatles?
:puke: :eyes: :nopity:

[SammyWinstonJack]

27. Yes she is the same one.

Hard to believe she had never heard of the Beatles, real hard to believe.

[Double T]

17. Heather, you probably deserved IT!!........

if HE did IT at all.

[lapislzi]

24. OK, look, that's not funny, even as a joke

I'm not saying I believe the allegation, but "she deserved it" is not the kind of thing you say, even in jest. You hear that waaaaaay too many times when the guy actually did do it. I don't like to see that kind of thinking perpetuated on these boards.

As a domestic violence survivor, remarks like that really raise my hackles.

[Double T]

37. Calm down. I am ONLY kidding........

he probably should have just bitch slapped her........gently.

[lapislzi]

57. I know you are, BUT

at the risk of sounding a dreadful pedant--the fact that people make these kinds of jokes--and other people laugh--suggests a tacit acceptance of the premise in the first place. I object to ethnic humor on the same grounds. It undercuts those of us who have actually suffered. And I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt: I'm sure you would agree that no human being (or animal, judging by your sig line), no matter how objectionable, deserves to suffer violence. Least of all by the one who is supposed to love and cherish him/her.

I don't think I'm explaining myself very well, and I do apologize for that.

I also don't mean to be confrontational; merely to make you aware that some don't find that kind of remark funny, and with good reason.

[Double T]

104. I understand your position and the reason you feel as you do completely.

No disrespect intended on this side and I agree with your core position totally.

[Nikki Stone 1]

32. Here is a list of the actual charges

Here are the charges:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20606076-661,00.html


HEATHER Mills has accused estranged husband Sir Paul McCartney of violent attacks, including once stabbing her with a broken glass.
Ms Mills claims the former Beatle once tried to choke her when she asked if he'd smoked marijuana, and on another occasion pushed her into a bath when she was four weeks pregnant with their child.

Court documents lodged by lawyers for Ms Mills as part of the celebrity couple's divorce battle also claim McCartney:

ASKED her not to breast-feed, saying, "They are my breasts", and on another occasion, "I don't want a mouthful of breast milk".

DRANK excessively and used illegal drugs despite promising before the pair married that he wouldn't.

OBJECTED to amputee Ms Mills using a bedpan to save her crawling to the toilet at night.

FORCED his wife to defer an important operation because it interfered with his holiday plans.

GRABBED her neck during a row and pushed her over a coffee table.

INSISTED Ms Mills make dinner for him every night.

DIRECTED a bodyguard and driver to abandon Ms Mills after a Rome concert, forcing her to walk 30 minutes to a hotel...


The court papers reportedly show the couple's marriage difficulties came to a head on April 25 when McCartney allegedly threw red wine from his glass at Ms Mills,broke another glass and lunged at her, cutting her below the elbow.

"He proceeded to manhandle the respondent, flung her into a wheelchair and wheeled it outside, screaming at her to apologise for 'winding him up'," the documents claim...."



The tone of the article is cheesy and over the top, but some of these allegations should/will have witnesses, though McCartney could certainly pay off his driver and bodyguard. There should be hospital reports of some of the physical injuries.

[Double T]

44. What we APPEAR to have is a REALLY NASTY DIVORCE........

there is ALSO HIS side of the story.....'WE' will see.

[kestrel91316]

59. This does NOT ring true:

".........OBJECTED to amputee Ms Mills using a bedpan to save her crawling to the toilet at night..........."

Why would she need to use a bedpan??? Why wouldn't she just keep a pair of crutches at the bedside for the specific purpose of going to the bathroom?????
Bedpans are a messy PITA. I don't believe she would insist on using one - they are HARD for us girls to use without making a mess.

[LeftyMom]

82. How much good would crutches do a person with no lower legs?

I suspect the rationale there is that a person in her position would have to wake up fully in order to convey herself to the restroom, maneuver onto the toilet and get back, which would make a restful sleep very difficult.

[Divameow77]

91. I believe

she only lost one of her legs, not both.

[liberal N proud]

18. When they knighted him, they should not have given him that sword!

You know what can happen when boys play with their swords.

[Nikki Stone 1]

20. Sometimes the most unlikely things can be true. I'd wait til we had

more details before you start a feeding frenzy on Mills.

[Bake]

28. Or a feeding frenzy on Paul!

"He doesn't look so cute NOW, does he, girls." Or something like that.

I just don't believe this bitch's story. What'd he do, hack off her leg? (Sorry, I know I'm going to hell for that one ...).

Bake

[Nikki Stone 1]

36. You've ignored my point, which is to wait until we have more details

Guess your personal feelings are too strong for ya. :)

But if you look at the actual charges (posted above), they are more petty than lurid, and I think entirely possible, especially if the couple was fighting over Paul's drug use after the birth of their baby. On the other hand, there is a substantial amount to be won in this divorce, so all possibilities should be kept open.

Just because we love a particular celebrity doesn't mean that he or she is not capable of bad things. Nor does it mean that they are automatically guilty.

[idgiehkt]

100. yeah, imagine an aging rock star being a drunk/drug addict.

preposterous.

:eyes:

[bluedeminredstate]

29. And that's not all!

"HEATHER Mills has accused estranged husband Sir Paul McCartney of violent attacks, including once stabbing her with a broken glass.

Ms Mills claims the former Beatle once tried to choke her when she asked if he'd smoked marijuana, and on another occasion pushed her into a bath when she was four weeks pregnant with their child.
Court documents lodged by lawyers for Ms Mills as part of the celebrity couple's divorce battle also claim McCartney:

ASKED her not to breast-feed, saying, "They are my breasts", and on another occasion, "I don't want a mouthful of breast milk".

DRANK excessively and used illegal drugs despite promising before the pair married that he wouldn't.

OBJECTED to amputee Ms Mills using a bedpan to save her crawling to the toilet at night.

FORCED his wife to defer an important operation because it interfered with his holiday plans.

GRABBED her neck during a row and pushed her over a coffee table.

INSISTED Ms Mills make dinner for him every night.

DIRECTED a bodyguard and driver to abandon Ms Mills after a Rome concert, forcing her to walk 30 minutes to a hotel.

The explosive allegations are made in court papers seen by London's Daily Mail newspaper.

I can't believe this. Linda surely never would have stood for this and he can't have become a wife beater just after he married her. This is crap.

[supernova]

34. I'm skeptical

of all this.

I'm with the others in this thread that if he were a wife beater, he would have been denouced as such long before now. He's been in the public eye long enough. Not saying he's a saint, but just a normal human being.

I do think he married her on the rebound, which is not a good idea any way you look at it.

I feel sorry for both of them.

[Hepburn]

41. You point out something I have thought,

not only about Paul McCartney, but about others who have lost a spouse/SO after a long term marriage/relationship. That rebound thing can cause a ton of trouble. Two male friends of mine were widowered in the last two years ~~ both have already re-married and both made horrible mistakes. One had a 54 year marriage and the other, a 30+ year marriage. Both of the new wives are total bitches and both have alienated the children of the first marriage and have done so quite intentionally from what I have seen. There is out and out war in one family right now and the new bitch wife is filing restraining orders, etc., against the children and grandchildren. Both of these bitches, also, were looking for MONEY.

Guess some people will do anything for money...and when someone has lost a long-term relationship, that leaves the preson very, very vulnerable.

Paul, IMO, like my two friends made a hell of a mistake with this marriage.

[Hepburn]

35. My thoughts, too.

Paul was married for YEARS and there sure did not seem to be any problems. What? All of a sudden he turns into a wife-beating drunk?

I don't think so...:eyes:

[dflprincess]

70. It's not impossible he started drinking after Linda died

even if he never had a problem with it before. It's also not impossible he became a mean drunk especially when he realized Heather was a long way from Linda.

[Darth_Kitten]

122. Paul and Linda were continually stoned during their marriage.......

maybe that was the glue that kept it together. :shrug:

Paul is no angel.....I hate that people are assuming he's some kind of saint.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Hmmm

"OBJECTED to amputee Ms Mills using a bedpan to save her crawling to the toilet at night."


My mom wears a prostheses similar to Ms. Mills...

You can literally put it on in thirty seconds or less..

[Howardx]

42. hello! crutches!

n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. It Would Be Harder To Mess With Crutches..

Heather has a btk or below the knee amputation. It's easy to get the prostheses on and off.

[kestrel91316]

61. Having been falsely accused of all sorts of insane, violent,

bizarre crap in a court filing (yes, that's called PERJURY) by a pathological liar and serial vexatious litigant, I know just what sorts of lies people can and do tell on paper and in court. Some people are just completely psycho.

I'm not saying Heather Mills is one of them. I just know for a fact, from my own sad experience, that people like this DO exist.

BTW, I was sued in federal court by my particular nutcase, and prevailed against her all on my own. Never even hired an attorney. The judge knew BS when he saw it.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

72. Says the Daily Mail

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail

[Howardx]

30. im sure its true

ringo was the only good beatle

[Kahuna]

58. I love Ringo. But he was a drunk at one point and had a very

tempestuous relationship with his wife, Barbara Bach. But WE digress.. :)

[acmavm]

31. Whatever.

[johnnie]

33. Ummm.. Paul is Dead

Haven't any of you heard?

This was an imposter she married.

[Ian David]

43. Paul McCartney once turned me into a newt!

I got better.

[hsher]

56. Burn her! Burn her!

"A newt?"

[BootinUp]

65. John Cleese's expression is hilarious there.

I think he was the best pure actor/performer in the bunch.

[hsher]

74. *exquisite* peasant bewilderment

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. Heather = Gold Digger. I don't believe a word of this.

McCartney will soon be making a statement about these allegations.

[Darth_Kitten]

124. Sir Paul = stoned control freak misogynist.

just sayin'

[Kahuna]

47. I don't know. I always thought that Heather could take him out if she

wanted to. Plus, whenever I saw them together she never seemed to be the least intimidated...BY ANYTHING!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. He Doesn't Look Like A Physically Intimidating Man

eom

[Jacobin]

48. Gee, I guess $400 million isn't enough for 3 years of marriage

[earth mom]

51. I believe her.

Disgusting too, that so many are so quick to slam her, call her a gold digger etc. Given the massive amount of domestic violence in this country and the world how could anyone NOT believe her?! Guess people can't handle it when their idols are shown in not so favorable a light. People didn't think OJ did it either even though the DNA proved otherwise.

Guess Pauls ego got a little too big and he thought he could do whatever he wanted too. :puke:

Edited to add that I read Heathers book and found her to be a good person who used to work on the land mine problem. She met Paul doing this work when he gave money to the cause. Their relationship was hardly a case of her chasing him or tricking him or being a golddigger.

[jilln]

67. Aren't you doing exactly what you accuse others of?

Refusing to see your idol in a not so favorable light?

The idea that there is lots of domestic violence so therefore we must believe her is really ridiculous. Just because you read her book, which obviously would be favorable to her, does not mean she is a nice person.

Why not let the courts decide what did or did not happen? Until then, I'm sticking with innocent until proven guilty. Which used to be the standard, before enemy combatants, remember?

[lukasahero]

76. Shouldn't innocent until proven guilty apply equally

People here are accusing this Heather of lying in most vicious ways including references to guns and how "she deserved" to be stabbed if it happened. I won't support currently unproven attacks on Mr. McCartney's character but the viciousness of the (also unproven) attacks against her are chilling.

[earth mom]

78. Don't be silly.

:eyes:

I idolize neither Heather nor Paul. But rather, tend to believe any woman from any walk of life who says she is being abused because abuse such as this is all too common in our world.

Far too many people put their idols on a pedestal and won't allow one bit of criticism be spoken about them and all I am doing is pointing this out. What the truth really is, we will not know until witnesses, photos or other evidence of some kind is presented.

So sure, innocent before proven guilty. However, that also applies to Heather too, doesn't it. So maybe you should remind the other posters in this thread who have called Heather a gold digger, bitch, etc., of that little fact as well.

[jilln]

79. That's what I said. Let the courts decide.

And you're right, it IS silly not to automatically believe anyone who accuses someone of a crime. If we did that, we could eliminate courts altogether, saving the country a LOT of money and time. And since the police would ALWAYS be right when they arrest someone (whether it's for wearing an anti-Bush T-shirt or standing outside the "free speech zone" or whatever else), they could just automatically be sentenced by computer, since obviously no one would ever be accused of a crime if they haven't committed it. Accusers never lie.

You know what else is common in this world? The color gray. So from now on I will believe that EVERYTHING is gray, since gray is common.

[earth mom]

94. That's what courts are for aren't they?

To find out the truth. So why are you twisting my words? Obviously it's easy to accuse someone, but it's also easy to dismiss the accuser-which is what's happening on this thread to Heather.

What if it were you, or a child, or someone with a mental disability being not only dissed but dismissed in this way? I'm sure if the shoe were on YOUR foot you would want to be evaluated fairly and without bias.

By the way, I love the color gray. I find it peaceful and soothing. I don't find it to be common or boring at all. But maybe that's what happens when you expand your mind and don't judge everything so cruelly and harshly because it's not your absolute all time favorite pink or blue or green.

[jilln]

103. They are your own words!

This is what you said:

"Given the massive amount of domestic violence in this country and the world how could anyone NOT believe her?!"

You clearly have made your decision that she's telling the truth.

Can you say there is no bias TOWARDS Heather there? I don't KNOW what happened. I'm curious to see the evidence. I was just trying to point out how faulty your logic is! I never said to dismiss anything! I said to let the courts decide and until then, innocent until proven guilty. Of course I would want the allegations to be taken seriously, but just because they were made does not make them TRUE.

And talk about twisting words... I didn't say gray was boring. I said it was common. That's a fact. Sorry the statement of a fact bothers you.

[earth mom]

111. What I said was

that I believed her and that I didn't agree with the smearing of her given the prevalence of domestic violence in this country and the world.

Then, you confronted me about innocent until proven guilty to which I agreed that we don't know the truth yet and I conceded that it could be either Paul or Heathers fault. Which should have been the end of the story.

However, you came back and went off on a tirade about accusers falsely accusing people. So I replied and stated that we all must listen to accusers NO MATTER WHAT. Even if you don't like what they are saying and even if it is about a personal idol. Because it could easily be any of us someday and you would want be heard if it were you in those shoes.

But you couldn't let that go and here are your next words that prove it is you who still have a problem or aren't understanding a word I've said:

"Of course I would want the allegations to be taken seriously, but just because they were made does not make them TRUE."

To which I will reply once and for all:

Just because accusations were made that you and others don't like does NOT make them false either.

Is that clear enough for you???

[jilln]

112. What's clear is, you don't know what you said.

You clearly said we should all believe HER.

In any case, we both seem to agree that the allegations should be taken seriously and the courts should decide. I also believe that she shouldn't be smeared.

Can we leave it at that?

[earth mom]

116. I was clear as I could be but enough is enough. nt

[Bake]

75. Paul's ego????

Heather's the one who made sure EVERYONE knew she was Mrs. Paul McCartney, and threw it around like crazy to get her in moor doors. She also reportedly got upset that he didn't want to lend his name and talents to every benefit concert she wanted him to. So let's see, how many people ever HEARD of her before she married Paul ... and how many people heard of him? But she's the one gotta be name-dropping. Obviously it's a problem with Paul's ego. RIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

And yet you "believe her" just because of the "massive amount of domestic violence ..." in the world. Well, sure, then I guess it HAS to be true. I sure hope you are never wrongly accused of anything, because it will of course just HAVE TO BE TRUE.

Bake

[earth mom]

84. C'mon now.

Wow-Must have hit a nerve about your idol Paul. :eyes:

FYI-Rock stars are KNOWN for their massive egos. It's common knowledge. That Paul wants everything his way would hardly be a surprise. And do you even know who is responsible for getting Heathers name out there? Tabloids. Tabloids who are in the business to exploit the rich and famous for as much cash as they can get out of it. They saw a juicy story: rich, famous, old, widower Sir Paul marrying poor, unknown, young, amputee Heather and they milked that story for all it was worth. Heather hardly had a say in what they printed about her-good or bad-now did she? Though obviously you bought into the negativity about her. Do you even know her personally? Or Paul? Probably not. So how do you know Paul is not a wife beater? Or that Heather is in it for the money? You don't. Because no one knows the truth but Paul and Heather and whatever witnesses there may be.

However, as I posted upthread in reply to someone else, guilt or innocence is a 2 way street and for now, guilt and innocence is possible for either Paul and Heather. Maybe you should remember that instead of raging on about how horrible a person Heather is for trying to bring your idol down.

[Bake]

96. Paul is not my "idol."

And frankly, I wouldn't be personally disturbed if the allegations were true; I would find it tragic and recognize that public people often are very different in their private lives.

Having said that, let's review the facts: Heather was a (sort-of) public person before she married Paul. I believe they met at some charity benefit event; and she was already working to support her personal charitable causes. She married Paul. She goes on TV with Paul (e.g., on Larry King - which I doubt she'd have been invited to appear on except for the McCartney name), etc. etc. They split, and he graciously declines to comment on the situation except to say that it's very sad and Heather was/is a good person. Paul offered her, from the reports, a very generous and reasonable settlement. She, on the other hand, seeks a RIDICULOUS share of Paul's fortune, which she had NO PART in building, and is unwilling to resolve things decently. That, by DEFINITION, makes her a gold-digger and a money-grubber. She makes the nutcase allegations. Frankly, her lawyers ought to be ashamed of themselves (and yes, I *am* a lawyer ...).

Who's the nicer person here? Who, on the facts as we know them at this point, is more credible? Sorry, but Heather's got ZERO credibility. I don't believe a word of it.

Bake

[northzax]

107. on the flip side

if Sir Paul had, in fact, lost control a couple of times and attacked her, wouldn't you, as his attorney, recommend that he be quiet and play the good guy?

And while this seems out of character for Sir Paul, it is hardly out of the scope of reason that someone would become abusive in certain circumstances that hadn't existed before. Maybe he grew to despise her (and himself) because she wasn't what he thought she was, and in his despair began to drink (certainly wouldn't be the first person to do that in history) and while drunk did stupid, cruel things (again, not the first decent person to have this problem) By all accounts, his marriage to Linda was a storybook relationship, it's not unreasonable to think that he would expect the same from the second, and wouldn't be the first to spiral out of control when that didn't happen. I'm just saying.

[Bake]

113. Everything you said is possible.

Reasonably foreseeable, as we say. Do I think that's what happened? No. But you are correct, it is plausible that it could have happened the way you described.

Bake

[earth mom]

115. Heather has a child to think about.

A child that may not be protected in the long run like Pauls other children he had with Linda. He could easily write that kid out of the will to spite Heather. I don't blame her for going for as much as she can because, since as a lawyer you should know, that in cases such as this, the judge usually cuts the settlement in half, then the lawyers get half. So what's she left with? Oh and then, if there is a contest of the settlement, it could go lower still. Heather is just protecting herself and her child which, in your opinion as a lawyer, makes her look like a gold digger. Meanwhile, as a lawyer, you should know that everyone in show business does the same damn thing. With lawyers benefiting quite handsomely too by it, I might add.

So, if this tragic situation is proven to be true, then Heather deserves every penny she gets for such hideous treatment.

[Bake]

131. Wrong on so many counts.

(a) The lawyers don't "get half." Most states prohibit a lawyer taking a divorce case on contingency. They get their stated fee, no more. Bear in mind I'm admitted to practice in two states here in the USA, not in the UK. Law and practice there can differ ... so my comments are directed to law here on this side of the pond.

(b) The judge doesn't cut the settlement "in half." If it's a settlement, it's a settlement. No contest. The judge may review it for unconscionability, but that's all. If it's contested, the judge rules, subject to appeals for abuse of discretion.

But let's assume you're right. Paul's worth 800 million pounds. Suppose she gets half - that's 400 million. EVEN IF THE JUDGE CUT THAT to 200 million and the lawyers took half (which ain't happening), she's still got 100 million pounds (and what's the exchange rate today?). NOBODY IS GOING TO SUFFER for that.

(c) I hated, loathed my ex-wife, but I would never have hurt our daughter to spite my ex. I don't think Paul would either.

Your saying "she should go for all she can get" tells me all I need to know. Thanks but no thanks!

Bake

[earth mom]

138. Spare me the insults since you don't know me at all.

FYI-I'm married to a working class guy and we lived as the working poor for 8 years until dh got a decent paying union job 2 years ago. But even at that we are still living paycheck to paycheck. I'm not looking to be rich because I despise the greed, superficiality and materialism that has taken over this country and turned it into a corrupt and evil place where even the government has been corrupted to the point of almost destroying the country. :grr:

That said, I support Heathers right to go for whatever SHE thinks is fair. That is her prerogative, just as it is for anyone seeking a divorce-rich or poor. Furthermore, I now understand that your attitude toward Heather stems from misogyny in light of what you posted about your ex wife. :eyes:

[idgiehkt]

105. yeah, the sumbitch pursued her, not the other way around.

If he asked me to marry him, I wouldn't turn his ass down either.

[gully]

53. In all honesty, I thought OJ was a nice guy. I like Paul McCartney

but he's human and he's been "entitled" and catered to for a long time. I will await more information before I assume he is totally innocent and she is just a lying bitch just out for his money.

McCartney has already claimed in divorce papers that his wife behaved unreasonably and was argumentative and rude during their marriage.

Sounds like a typical abuser defense if I've ever heard one. "She pused me over the edge."

[hsher]

54. This is why you don't marry the rebound girl

Linda dies, Paul dates Heather immediately, Paul marries Heather immediately... rebound. It's only my opinion, but Paul should have taken more time to grieve following Linda's death. I seem to remember thinking, "Gosh, he barely waited for the poor woman (Linda) to become cold before replacing her with another..."

Rebound may also be why most Hollywood relationships don't last. Most of them are rebounds.

[Deja Q]

62. And people thnk I have a bizarre way of showing love...

:crazy:

Assuming he is guilty.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

66. Let's see the puncture wound.

Habeus corpus, Heather.

[whistle]

69. Heather Mills McCartney may have deserved to be knighted also...

<snip>
Heather Mills McCartney: Short Biography

Born in January 1968, Heather Mills McCartney is a Patron of Adopt-A-Minefield and a United Nations Goodwill Ambassador who has campaigned for over 14 years to raise funds and awareness to rid the world of land-mines.

In August 1993, her life changed for ever when she was involved in a road accident with a police motorcycle and suffered numerous injuries including crushed ribs, a punctured lung, multiple fractures of the pelvis and the loss of her left leg below the knee.

Heather voluntarily counsels people from around the world who have lost limbs in accidents, through illness, natural disasters and terrorist atrocities. Her personal advice, determination and commitment help them and their families realise that they can continue to lead rich and fulfilling lives despite their injuries. She also lectures before audiences ranging in size from 30 to 3,000.

Just one year after her accident, Heather arranged for the first convoy of artificial limbs to be sent to Croatia. Since then thousands of amputees and survivors of land-mine explosions around the world have been helped.

Heather’s charity work is particularly focused on the Adopt-A-Minefield campaign to clear land-mines and help land-mine survivors. She is the Founding Patron of Adopt-A-Minefield UK, and ambassador for the global campaign. Adopt-A-Minefield has raised over $17 million to date, funding clearance of over 21 million square metres of mined land and benefiting more than 400,000 people. Adopt-A-Minefield is now the largest funder of land-mine clearance in the world and has funded over 300 minefield clearance and survivor assistance projects.

Heather has won numerous accolades and awards including, recently, the inaugural UNESCO Children in Need Award. The University of California honoured Heather with the Irvine Award and have established a Fellowship in her name. She also received an Open University Doctorate in 2004.

In December 2001, Heather made a return to modelling with a difference. After hearing her speak at the Mothers & Shakers Awards in New York, American clothing company I.N.C. asked Heather to front their International Concepts of Inspiration campaign. The successful campaign raised awareness and funds for Adopt-A-Minefield. To date INC have donated $100,000 to the charity.

Heather has been invited by legendary chat-show host Larry King to guest host two of his shows to date. ‘Larry King Live with Heather Mills McCartney and Paul Newman’ was broadcast worldwide on CNN. She recently covered the wedding of Prince Charles and Camilla Parker Bowles and is looking forward to doing more presenting in the future.

Heather also recently launched a new campaign to stop the terrible international trade in cat and dog fur. More than two million animals are skinned alive in China each year purely for their pelts, and when Heather was sent a video exposing the cruelty, she felt she had to act. She joined Euro MP Struan Stevenson at the European Parliament in March 2005 to highlight the barbarity of this trade and brought it to the attention of the world’s media in September 2005 with high-profile protests in America in association with PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals).

In October 2002 Heather’s updated autobiography “A Single Step” was released in North America. All of Heather’s earnings from the book are donated to Adopt-A-Minefield.
<more>

http://www.heathermills.org/about.php

[idgiehkt]

102. probaby more than he ever did, lol

Oh, that's right, he sang that song "Ebony and Ivory". Nevermind.

[JCMach1]

77. See how women are treated in the West...

those damn vegetarians... will they ever learn :sarcasm:

[ronnykmarshall]

80. I think she's full of shit.

I'm sure Paul and Linda's kids are saying "I told you so" .......

[ComerPerro]

81. The guy who wrote "Run For Your Life" and "Maxwell's Silver Hammer"? No...

[patcox2]

85. But, but, John Lennon's name comes first.

My, people are inconsistent about who they credit for Beatles songs.

[ComerPerro]

87. Well, Lennon's name always comes first

until McCartney changed it a year or two ago...

McCartney is generally credited for Maxwell's Silver Hammer. Usually, whichever of the two sings the song is the one who was the primary writer.

And, yes, John sang and most likely wrote Run For Your Life.


Its a joke....

[patcox2]

86. "Run for your life," according to wiki, is a Lennon song, in fact

"Run For Your Life" is a song by The Beatles which first appeared on the 1965 album Rubber Soul.

The song, while credited to "Lennon/McCartney" (as were all Beatles songs by either composer), was primarily a John Lennon composition. Reflecting his negative, even misogynistic view of male-female relationships at the time, the song lyrics establish a threatening tone towards the singer's unnamed girlfriend (referred to throughout the song as "little girl"), claiming "I'd rather see you dead, little girl, than to be with another man". Lennon designated this song his "least favorite Beatles song" in a 1973 interview, and later said it was the song he most regretted writing.

The line "I'd rather see you dead, little girl, than to be with another man", which was the intial inspiration of the song, is actually a direct lift from the Elvis Presley song "Baby, Let's Play House". Lennon admitted this in a number of interviews. He also stated that this song was one of George Harrison's favourite songs on Rubber Soul at that time despite Lennon's dislike of it.<1>

[ComerPerro]

88. I know, its a joke. He's still credited as a writer

because he is credited on everything John wrote as a Beatle, and vice versa

[edbermac]

89. Paul should have married Yoko...

:crazy:

[johnnie]

90. I bet she is hoppin' mad at Paul

[Taverner]

93. I don't believe that for a second

She's trying to bilk more $$$ out of a beatle...

[ohiosmith]

99. Him and about 320 other guys.

[ChoralScholar]

106. I really do wonder

how much is fact, and how much is fishing for sympathy.

[Vidar]

108. Bullshit. Never believe anything in divorce court.

[RandomKoolzip]

121. Score one for Oasis.

[BlueStateGirl]

125. Color me Skeptical.

[Le Taz Hot]

127. He's 60-something years old.

Generally, one who physically abuses others has a history -- as far as I know, Sir Paul does not. If this turns out to be untrue (and my guess is that it is untrue), this really pisses me off. It's hard enough to prove abuse without these bimbos making false accusations.

[rug]

128. No, he used a silver hammer.

http://www.freeonlinegames.com/play/2466.html

[bmbmd]

132. To be fair-it wasn't actually a "stabbing"-

She is just all upset about a little prick.

[Penndems]

129. This letter from Chris Terrill, Heather's ex-fiancee, to Paul McCartney

that was published in the London Sunday Times on May 21, 2006, pretty much tells the tale:

Focus: Heathered - by the former 'Mr Mills'

In a knockabout letter to Sir Paul, Chris Terrill, the man Heather left for the former Beatle, says all is forgiven (just) and that he’s playing Sgt Pepper again


We have never met. There has been no reason for us to meet. We are from different worlds and have very little in common. The differences between us are many and obvious. You are one quarter of the most famous combo the world has ever seen and have written some of the best-known and loved songs in history. I know four chords on the guitar and can only sing off-key (a talent I am quite proud of).

You are globally famous. I am quite well known in my office. You are fabulously wealthy. I am a freelance filmmaker — so say no more! You have a knighthood. I have a certificate confirming I completed the London marathon. You like tofu. I don’t.

Yet, we do have something that connects us. We fell in love with the same woman. More than that — we loved her at the same time.

I am the bloke Heather left in the lurch for you five years ago. No hard feelings now. All is fair in love and war and all that. And, in any case, as things have turned out, I should probably thank you for having taken my seat on a plane that was doomed to crash in flames.

Link: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2190138_1,00.html
*************************************************************************
That woman is a scheming, conniving, manipulative nut.

[Darth_Kitten]

133. This guy is just jealous, vindictive.

But no, I guess Heather is the scheming nut. :eyes:

I guess people really don't think much of women.

[Penndems]

135. Sorry DK, but that just wasn't the impression I got when I read the letter

She tells people the guy's gay when he isn't? Sounds as if she was trying to slander him and attack his credibility before he put the word out on the street about her. If anybody's vindictive here, it's Heather Mills-McCartney.

(She wasn't right for him to begin with. Anybody could see that. ;) )

[Darth_Kitten]

139. Is there proof she did that?

:shrug:

[Penndems]

142. "Now, I don’t know what she told you [McCartney] about me but I have

my suspicions.

Now, I don’t know what she told you about me but I have my suspicions. You see, it wasn’t long before friends of mine in the media were phoning me to tell me that Heather was going around telling everyone the reason she had left me was that I was gay."

This is from the guy's letter.

If he was being vindictive, wouldn't he have written this letter before Mills and McCartney got married? :shrug:

[sendero]

140. It's really pretty simple..

... if such an act were actually perpetrated, she should have called the police and gotten medical attention immediately. Since she did not I'm not buying the bullshit at all. Let's see the damn scar already.

Paul made 2 huge mistakes. Marrying someone who gave plenty of signs she was a wack job and not having a pre-nup. He was still grieving for Linda and not in his right mind.

[Generator]

141. Wow

The worst part was "expecting dinner every night on the table." Four billion dollars and they don't have a cook?????????

I would have been gone long ago. What no take-away on speed dial, what is this the fifth century?????