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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 06:28 PM
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Saw Jesus Camp yeserday...
SCARY :scared:

The children's pastor in the documentary is from Lee's Summit MO (a suburb of Kansas City). Missouri is all over this movie and for that I apologize, even though I am not a native Missourian. These kids and their families are frightening. In one scene a 12 year old named Levi is being home "schooled" by his mother. She is "instructing" (more like indoctrinating) him about global warming. Levi rattles off some statistic about global temperatures increasing "only" .6 degrees over the last decade. His mom says something to the effect that people use that as a political tool and it really isn't that much of an increase is it?

The nine year old girl in the movie, Rachael, is very well spoken. Just a shame that intelligence is being used to further the Bushian agenda. In one scene she is at a bowling alley reading a Chick tract. When it's her turn to bowl she says a prayer hoping for a strike, she fails. While at the bowling alley she walks up to a total stranger and tells her that she was lead by God to this person because he has plans for her. She hands the woman the Chick tract she was reading ealier. The woman gives an "isn't she cute" chuckle.

At the week long camp in Devil's Lake North Dakota, the kids are told that George W Bush is a holy man. Good thing there were a few liberals in the audience because there were some of us who hacked at the thought of George W Bush being called a holy man who surrounds himself with "spirit filled" people. Trouble is they are filled with spirits that want to serve the dark side.

In one scene the kids are given a hammer which they then use to break coffee cups and say they want "good government!" They also are lead in a chant asking for "righteous judges." The camp takes place before Bush nominated Alito to the Supreme Court.

For all of this these people receive TAX BREAKS by NOT paying taxes on the church or I assume the religious camp. So, we are in part susidizing the rise of the religious right and the indoctrination of the next generation.




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Andrea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 11:56 AM
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1. I saw it last night
What a disturbing movie. I had a headache afterward. Those people are brainwashing and abusing those kids. The kids were hysterical and frightened. The woman running it is a complete narcissist. The children are being indoctrinated and turned away from their own innate abilities to think critically. The one little blond boy who struggled with believing really broke my heart. He was the only person in the movie who could see that other paths might be legitimate - the only non True Believer - and he was suffering so much for his insight. The movement is extremely scary. Everyone should see this movie. It really brings home the reality of how these horrible people are damaging their children.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 05:58 PM
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11. What I'd like to see is a follow-up in about five
years or so to see what the kids are doing. I suspect that the well spoken nine year old, Rachael, will not be as fundie. She is just too smart and I think she'll start asking questions her mom and dad will not want to answer.

I suspect that the ten year old girl, Tory, will probably not be a fundie as well. She is way too into herself and once she starts to sprout shall we say and boys begin to pay attention to her biology will win out over theology.

Levi, he's 12 already and if he hasn't begun questioning what he's been told then he may not. There was a part of me that saw a spark of skepticism when he and his mom were discussing evolution and global warming. He is being home schooled and like kids in school around the country, he knows it is best to give the instructor the answer he/she wants to hear. I don't know but I hope he is more skeptical.





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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:33 PM
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2. I saw it too in Fairfax, Va.

Saturday after a Geo lab...amazingly insane. Someone please explain to me the difference in these children and the Hitler youth? Other than it not being government sanctioned (at least explicitely) I find few differences.




I posted a signature line at a sports forum I frequent and got blasted with hate emails from many

This is the siggy line I had

Is this the face of a Christian Nazi?

(pic of the little girl)

Be warned that this little girl and others like her are being indoctrinated by a neo-Fascist right-wing "Bible Camp" to declare Jihad against Americans who don't think like them. See the documentary Jesus Camp for a look at America's coming version of a "home made 9/11." The ONLY difference in these people and those who flew planes into the WTC on 9/11 is the fact these Christians haven't found their plane to hijack, yet!


--I have yet to decide if I should remove or alter the signature line.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:34 PM
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4. Take out 'yet'
It's implicit in "haven't found their plane to hijack," and it's inflammatory to the tiny-brained.

Otherwise, you're spot on. :thumbsup:

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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:11 PM
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6. LOL, true true
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 02:13 PM by kwolf68
Yet was not needed indeed. I got about a 1000 word email from one dude who I know on there and he never once defended the camp or the indoctrination process that goes on.

He defended Christians and bashed Liberals. I replied to him, but haven't checked my email to see if he's replied back.

Dude actually said there was nothing wrong with getting kids engaged. LMAO. Said that I was only upset because they were not towing the "left wing" line.

Most specificially, he was beside himself because I used the words "Fascist" and "Nazi" prompting him to demand an apology from me (his first post to me was to call me an ignorant piece of shit, but anyway). I told him that if he could prove to me I was inaccurate that I would surely offer an apology, but I would NOT DO IT simply because he was offended. Him being offended is his fooking problem. If I call something wrong, explain it to me, I'll take in the facts and decide if I apologize. As of yet, NO APOLOGY.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:00 PM
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12. People like the adults behind the Bible Camp
HAVE found abortion doctors to kill as well as federal buildings to blow up.

They ARE dangerous.

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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:23 PM
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3. So they're worshiping minibrain?
Now I haven't called myself Christian for years now, but IIRC, doesn't the Bible has something in it saying that idol worship is definitley not kosher?
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:05 PM
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5. Then THIS will cheer you up....
Despite their packed megachurches, their political clout and their increasing visibility on the national stage, evangelical Christian leaders are warning one another that their teenagers are abandoning the faith in droves.

At an unusual series of leadership meetings in 44 cities this fall, more than 6,000 pastors are hearing dire forecasts from some of the biggest names in the conservative evangelical movement.

Their alarm has been stoked by a highly suspect claim that if current trends continue, only 4 percent of teenagers will be Bible-believing Christians as adults. That would be a sharp decline compared with 35 percent of the current generation of baby boomers, and before that, 65 percent of the World War II generation....





http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/us/06evangelical.html...
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:04 PM
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13. The kids are leaving the megachurches but the article
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 06:06 PM by ikojo
goes on to say they are finding faith via Christian music and such. The megachurches don't really create community and it's community that people are looking for when they seek out a church. With membership the size of some small towns how can people find community? A synagogue is considered large if it has more than a thousand families!

If the kids don't feel connected to the megachurches as teens there is little chance they will return as adults. If they don't return then that is one less coin in the collection plate.


From the article:

The phenomenon may not be that young evangelicals are abandoning their faith, but that they are abandoning the institutional church, said Lauren Sandler, author of Righteous: Dispatches from the Evangelical Youth Movement (Viking, 2006). Ms. Sandler, who calls herself a secular liberal, said she found the movement frighteningly robust.

This generation is not about church, said Ms. Sandler, an editor at Salon.com. They always say, We take our faith outside the four walls. For a lot of young evangelicals, church is a rock festival, or a skate park or hanging out in someones basement.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:30 PM
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7. I don't get the coffee cup metaphor.
What did a coffee cup ever do to someone? Am I just an English teacher searching too hard for an allegory among those who do not even know what an allegory is?
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:47 PM
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8. Well I think
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 02:48 PM by kwolf68
They just needed something to smash with the word "government" on it and they were unable to find a California Redwood. What hateful little vermin these children will turn out to be.

I'll make a prediction right now that within 10-15 years some kid from this camp will grow up and

-Kill a doctor who performs abortions
-Bombs a clinic
-Bombs a gay bar
-Kills a professor of evolutionary biology (among about 20 other science disciplines)

That's not going out an a limb there I know, but I can tell you when it will happen...When the Dems have power. Bill Clinton being in power during the fiasco in Waco, Texas pushed McVeigh over the edge until he decided to "take action."

Had the Waco incident occured with G.H. Bush in the White house, I challenge the McVeigh attack does not happen. These people are delusional and paranoid and having "their enemies" or "the enemies of God" (see, Democrats) in the White House makes them more desperate.

I'll party like hell if we take the WH in 2008, but will keep my ass covered from these religious fundy-freaks. They've already murdered on a small scale (olympic bombings, abortion clinics, dragging gay people to death), but the large hit could come if they believe they are losing the war (Hitler started gassing more undesirables LATER in the war when it was obvious he was losing).

These people are dangerous, VERY dangerous.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:08 PM
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10. they are practicing to beat up Latte Drinking Liberals...
:evilgrin:
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:48 PM
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9. I've only seen clips but it looks scary.
I'll have to drive about a hundred miles to see it in December. Sadly, no theater here would dare show it.

Clips here:

http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 03:33 AM
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14. Freaky
In one scene the kids are given a hammer which they then use to break coffee cups and say they want "good government!"


Translation: "We want government under our control".
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