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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 01:51 AM
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I saw my best friends boy die.
We were loading the truck to move some stuff and little Elliot ran into the traffic. I watched him roll under the truck like a bag of rags. I watched him bounce like a paper doll down the street. Next thing I knew I was standing over Elliot,blood was so bright red. His dad was laying bleside him saying NOOOOOO. Cops were there in 2 seconds. I have so much respect for them since then,honest they were there like that quick! Little Elliot had this foamy bright red blood coming out of his mouth,and this cop started mouth to mouth. Next thing I remember was sitting sedside this cop and he has dried blood on his mouth,we look at each other and start crying. Elliots mom comes around the corner and Earl tackles her,"Don't look hun"
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 01:53 AM
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1. God that is horrible.
What a terrible, terrible thing to happen.

My heart goes out to you and to Elliot and to his mom and dad.

And to the cop.

How do people handle things like this without just dying themselves?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 01:53 AM
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2. I am so, so sorry
I can't imagine anything worse than losing a child. You will be in my thoughts.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 01:54 AM
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3. wow, so very hard
Did this happen today?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 01:57 AM
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4. My goodness, how awful
Was this recently? Either way, how very tragic. My heart goes out to you and them. That had to be the worst thing you ever witnessed.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 01:57 AM
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5. Thats so sad
Why just why. Why do so many die young. Its sad Swede it really is.
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Blue_Chill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 01:57 AM
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6. Oh Jesus that is horrible
My prayers go out to you and your friends family. No one should be made to suffer such pain, I can't even imagine it.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 11:51 AM
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45. Thank you Blue_Chill
We have crossed swords on many subjects,and yet you are here for me my friend!
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eileen from OH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:03 AM
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7. Oh, God. . .
I can't even begin to imagine the pain.

I'm so sorry for you and your friend.

eileen from OH
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:05 AM
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8. It happened 14 years ago.
I can hear that BANG! and turn around like it was ike right now! I saw Elliots' mom today and it came back like,I feel guilty,why didn't I watch for 2 fucking seconds! 2 fucking seconds man.It cuts me to the bone.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:07 AM
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10. Some images never leave
Edited on Sat Dec-20-03 02:07 AM by nothingshocksmeanymo
I watched my best friend get murdered when I was 17. I see it in slow motion like it was yesterday. I'm 45 now.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:10 AM
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12. NSMA I never knew
God flashbacks guys. Sigh I remember finding out my friend died, well he was an aquaintance but I remember. Funny thing is me and his one time best friend know each other fair and his girl lives in my neighbohood. I am constantly reminded of that.
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:23 AM
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19. reminds me of this fight i got into
the look on his face when he pulled the gun change to what it looked like when i (deep breath) did what i had to to defend myself
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:23 AM
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20. I am so sorry
How truly horrible for you. :grouphug:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 12:06 PM
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49. Geez, something very similar happened with me.
Why, oh why, is it always in slow motion--just agonizing.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:12 AM
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14. As a Former Medic I can tell you
there are imnages that never leave and this is one of them...

And yes, children are the hardest to let go... in the streets, in ambulances, in ERs and everywhere else...
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 03:52 AM
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32. Keep 'em breathing, stop the bleeding, treat for shock...
that's all you can do. Sometimes that doesn't work. :(
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 04:50 AM
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36. that's for sure. As a long-time 911-EMT and Navy Corpsman, I
can assure you. Sometimes, when God wants them, it does not matter what you do.
Sometimes, if it is not their time, well, it is not their time.
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bushedout Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 01:15 PM
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50. So sad
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:07 AM
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9. this is a very sad tale
and I thank you for being strong enough to share it with us. And I'm glad that we were here for you to share it with. Sometimes I think that my life is so tough and then someone like little elliot comes along and it puts things into perspective. Because of him I'll be a little nicer to another, and a little more gentle, and cut others more slack. It is all I can do, but maybe my slowing down and being a bit kinder will make a difference to someone and that will make a difference to another.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:14 AM
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15. I have been here onDU for awhile and this just blurted out for the time.
Shelley has three more kids since that horrible day,and I cannot turn around without being any closer to them. They are like my own,GOd blessed me mayby or something,but I love those kids,like they were mine.
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:10 AM
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11. Witnessing tragic mishaps involving children or even animals
that's gotta suck big time. :( :scared: :cry:
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:11 AM
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13. I know there's nothing that can be said of comfort
to you or those involved in this, other that you will all be in my prayers.

The pain will lessen, and the memory will fade in time. Be as strong as you can until this happens. And don't give in to the grief.
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PeakOil2008 Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:21 AM
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16. I'm so sorry...
Swede,

You and your friend and his family, the policeman and everyone involved have my thoughts and prayers.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:22 AM
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17. I have never told any one this pain before.
It doesn't go away,time does not heal this shit.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:22 AM
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18. I hope you find peace btw I pmed you
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:27 AM
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23. Thanx John,
I feel like a nerd to just let some friends know how crappy I feel sometimes. How can they understand that I was fucking there! I could just turn around and stop him from running.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:33 AM
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24. We all understand that you can't relive the past
Somewhere in our hearts we wish we could undo it. No nerdiness perceived over here if it's any consolation. I so totally get what has it be present now and then.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 08:52 AM
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43. It sounds like PTSD
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southerngirlwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 03:00 AM
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28. time doesn't heal. But it can help.
It doesn't have to always cut you to the bone. It'll never go away or get very much better, but it can lose *some* of its power over you.

I found my best friend's body after he blew his brains out. We had the same birthday. His parents assumed we'd get married one day, because we were so close, and I had gone to their house to plan our double-birthday-party. It was two days before we turned 13.

I left with his parents to go buy crap for the party. Came home. He was downstairs, in the basement. I saw this bizarre arc of red and gray and black stuff on the wall. It took about three-quarters of a second before I realized it was his brains.

Suicide is the single most selfish act a human being can commit.

It ate me alive every day for years.

Now, I can talk and think about it, and while it hurts, it doesn't destroy me. I am not crying as I write this.

Swede, if you can't let yourself see a counselor, at least go to the self-help section of the bookstore and pick up something on grief. You sound PTSD to me. A series of EMDR treatments did wonders for me on the flashbacks. (EMDR is a treatment for post-traumatic stress that is simple and virtually painless and works well. Google for more information.)

We're all survivors, y'know? That's what's important -- we honor our dead by carrying on with the life that they couldn't or wouldn't.

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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:01 AM
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38. Oh dude,I feel so sorry!
I didn't want to bring you down. Life is so fucking hard some times, and here I am moaning about something that happened so long ago. Let's not dwell.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:24 AM
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21. What a sad and awful story
Gives me chills. I'm so sorry for you and for this boy's family.
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:26 AM
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22. Hope you didn't have any further reminders of the "incident" for
after a thing like that, some may end up with Post Trauma Stress Syndrome and need big time EMDR therapy or something. Egads.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:33 AM
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25. Elliots grama drives up
she sez "Did he break his leg?" Dear god I had to tell her our little boy didn't make it. She colllapsed I barely caught her. I know this is 14 years ago but damn it hurts tonight.
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:35 AM
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26. OMG Scarey stuff
:scared: :scared:
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:40 AM
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27. It feels ok telling you guys this.
I had this bottled inside for so long.
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 03:09 AM
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29. Had known of a case where the feline "furkid" of someone I knew of
ended up "doing a Buddy Clinton," and going to the Rainbow Bridge, but luckily never actually witnessed that incident for I wasn't sure what I would have done in that case, considering how I fancied myself a "cat person." The cat, Spike wasn't neutered and was likely engaging in "risque and risky business."

Though any cat case wasn't comparable to those involving a person of any age, they are sad or :cry: in their own respects.
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Blade Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 03:36 AM
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30. I remember...
when my good friend died in high school four years ago. He was driving down a dirt road, going about 85 mph, and his best friend was following behind him. When Joe realized he missed his turn, he put on his brakes and started going in reverse. Just then, Adam smacked his tank of a car at the back of Joe's car, killing Joe instantly.

I remember it like it was yesterday. I'm still fucked up from that. :cry:
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 04:27 AM
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34. Oh dude,I am so sorry to here that.
Time does not heals us,let them that say that try it.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 03:47 AM
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31. ON top of everything else the dad thought I was making moves on the mom
Funeral,etc and dad was giving me a hard time for moving in on mom! I could not even hug her,while we buriid her son,Earl was gathering names of old boyfriends! I felt like killing him. In the end the cops came to Safeway and escorted him off the property. I always felt he was by my parked car,I stood up for him,and he thoughtI was after his wife. He snapped,So I can't really hate the guy,,butI do not understand why he turned on his friends.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 04:21 AM
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33. That is so heartbreaking and traumatic.
You held that in for 14 years? Why? That is something that is downright poisonous to hold in. I’m glad you got it out if this is the first time. Keep doing this. Tell more. Keep talking. What an awful and horrible experience to keep bottled up. I mean, really.

I’ve been there, but not in quite the same way. I watched my son die over 18 hours on life support and held him in his final minutes and told him it was okay to die and that I’d help him do it. That was after he’d fought as hard as he could and it was his decision to go to the other side and not mine. You see, they asked me to make that decision several hours earlier and it went completely over my head, because, it never, ever, occurred to me, for a second, that he wasn’t going to make it. So they kept him alive. And I was oblivious. At least for 18 hours.

I knew, but I didn’t. Does that make sense?

That was 5 ½ years ago. I can still see it today. But it does not haunt me. It still hurts me to see it, but it does not haunt me like your vision does. I talked about it then and still do now, and you are just now revealing your nightmare. Please. Get it out. The memory can only poison you if you don’t.

Take care of yourself properly, my friend.

Linda
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:07 AM
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39. Oh Sweety
I will never forgive myself,I know I have to. Why couldn't I have been there?
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:14 AM
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41. You have no other choice but to forgive yourself. That is a fact.
you were not responsible for his death. You had no control over that. That is another fact.

Check your PM
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 07:17 AM
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42. Sleep peacefully. Swede
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 04:33 AM
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35. I see my post and I feel shame.
Sorry folks. There is so much to celebrate,my friend died so long ago and i am bringing good posts down.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 04:56 AM
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37. Stop that
Get it out.
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 09:34 AM
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44. No shame, Swede.
No shame. Dismiss the thought.
:hug:
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:13 AM
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40. Tragic, Swede, utterly tragic...
Edited on Sat Dec-20-03 05:33 AM by alg0912
That's a memory that even time couldn't cleanse - as long as one lives.

I'm terribly sorry that it happened, and that you were a witness to it.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 11:59 AM
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46. Damn it
Edited on Sat Dec-20-03 11:59 AM by populistmom
I think I'm going to forget this post. Makes me too sad. This is my nightmare.
Sorry you had to go through this.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 12:01 PM
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47. I love you guys!
I got so many PMs overnight. I was feeling stupid for spilling my pain last night,now I feel so good knowing that I have real FRIENDS! here at DU.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 12:04 PM
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48. Wha...?!
I am shocked.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 01:22 PM
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51. .......
That's terrible that you had to see that Swede. I can't say anything else...there really isn't anything to say.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 01:30 PM
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52. Thanks dude.
There are times when I don't want to get close to a relative when they have a little one. But I when I open up to my little friends I get 10 times back! I treasure every second of every movie that my little niece forces me to sit beside her and watch Chickenrun for the 11th time!
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