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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:30 PM
Original message
Post replies in the form of strawman arguments only, in this thread.
Of course, to have a strawman argument, we first need something against which to argue. So, I'll start off, and then you guys all respond to me and to each other ONLY with strawnman arguments OR with blatant kudos to someone's argument that is only a thinly-disguised personal insult to the one being argued against (e.g., "Absolutely! At least someone here isn't full of shit!" or "Speak it! At least you speak out of your mouth and not your asshole"). Let's see how funny this can get, while still following the rules. And of course, in truest form, you should give kudos to someone then attack them viciously a few posts later and give kudos to the person you attacked when you gave kudos to the first person. But remember: no direct insults, no off-topic strawmen.

So, here is my premise for us to "debate":

We should require all people to retake and pass a driver's test every time they have their driver's license renewed.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:34 PM
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1. let's just cut to the chase:
HITLER HAD A PENCHANT FOR MEDDLING BUREAUCRACY SUCH AS YOU ARE PROPOSING!!!!!111111

WHAT'S NEXT? WILL PEOPLE HAVE TO PROVE THEIR ARYAN RACIAL PURITY TOO???!!!!1111
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Good for you for bringin up Hitler. I guess we're not allowed to
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 08:36 PM by Rabrrrrrr
have opinions at all then, if opinions are Hitleresque. So who's more like Hitler now, Hitler?
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. hey that is supposed to be the "debate" squasher
(if you want to consider debate as two people trying to convince each other of their illogical and irrational viewpoints).

but, mein Komrade, the hitlerian gambit still stands.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #4
14. So you're saying we should just go ahead and gas the liberals?
Gas anyone who's trying to have an opinion that differs from yours? Sure would be easier, wouldn't it. Just like your hero Dubya said, it's easier leading a dictatorship.

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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #14
20. well, they ARE just a bunch of islamofascists
hell bent on destroying us.

we need to fight them here before we have to fight them here.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #1
19. Damn!
First post went straight for the Nazi reference.

That was fast.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:38 PM
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3. "requir(ing) all people to retake and pass a driver's test every time...
"...they have their driver's license renewed" is an expense any & all states can no longer afford to shoulder due to the expenditures required to circumvent all forms terrorism (past, present & furture), while supporting endless war so deal with it :-)
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:11 PM
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5. I always did like the scarecrow better than the tinman...oh
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 09:11 PM by wildhorses
wait a minute....strawman...NOT a scarecrow...NOT ....must remember this :P
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:13 PM
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6. Rove put this forward as a diversion....
because his wife said "no" last night. NOT because John Mark Karr ate pate and shrimp and drank champagne on his flight to LaLaland from Bangkok.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:14 PM
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7. If you HATE the elderly so much and are so FANATICALLY anti- AARP
then why don't you move to Russia?
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. Just because YOU want dangerous drivers on the American taxpayer's



...roadways doesn't mean the rest of us do. And what do you think, that they don't HAVE elderly drivers in Russia???


:eyes:



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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:36 AM
Response to Reply #11
13. Um..... Ah.... STRAWMAN.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #13
40. There you go trying to change the subject again.



I suppose you think that American strawmen would make better drivers than elderly Russians.


What is it that you have against elderly Russians anyway? Are you a Republican?



:eyes:




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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #40
94. When did you stop beating your spouse?
:)
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #94
117. ROTFL! You really nailed him! 1.5 days later, and the fucker still hasn't
responded to your impentrable Logic Salvo!

:applause:

I always find it so funny when people think they're smart and getting along in a debate, and then someone just shuts them the fuck up and they leave, stomping their sad little feet all the way to go crying boo hoo to their overprotective and domineering mothers.

:applause:
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:16 PM
Response to Original message
8. Retake the test everytime?
The only people who want that are bleeding heart, do-gooder nanny-staters. And they want everyone else to pay for it, too.
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Arkham House Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:35 PM
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9. Lenin wrote in 1903...
...that capitalism would be eroded from within by pornography, promiscuity, drugs, the systematic attack on religion--*and on forcing people to take frequent driver's tests*...
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. Don't forget the freedom to own a pit bull as a well-trained family pet.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #10
15. Oh, okay - so you agree with PETA's agenda, then?
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 09:15 AM by Rabrrrrrr
Animals before people? Have you sprayed any red paint on expensive coats lately, or you more the type to just put iron bars in the trees so the lumberjacks get hurt?

I'm glad at least some of us believe that people have rights.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #15
28. And how is prohibiting pet ownership
going to give people more rights?

It's a good thing most people have enough sense to know that people and animals can coexist rather than hold these extremist "either/or" views with regard to people and pets!
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #28
41. People have a RIGHT to defend themselves when attacked by animals
It's people like you who want dangerous attack dogs roaming back on the streets.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #15
77. Why do you hate bunnies? I have two pet bunnies. Why do you hate them?
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #77
79. Who said I hated bunnies? Where did I say that? Can you quote me
saying that? No, you can't, can you? Because I didn't say that.

Why don't you just go cozy up to Saddam? That's precisely the kind of bullshit he would say in the middle of a debate. Clearly you are in love with his methods and seek to be a good disciple of his lies and idiocy. Maybe you even love him himself.

:eyes:
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. Yeah, well you love Bin Laden. Why don't you go tell the president where
he is since you love him so much?

:eyes:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #80
102. I know you are, but what am I?
Christ. Grow up, you sophomore.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #9
68. Don't give the loony lefties around here any ideas
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 01:06 PM by Strawman
Some people on this board would jump at the chance to nominate Lenin's corpse in 2008. They're against winning elections and love to "tilt at windmills."

:sarcasm:

I just HAD to chime in on this thread. :)
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:59 PM
Response to Original message
12. You wouldn't by any chance happen to lobby for
the Corrective Lense Industry, would you? Big business... it always comes back to money, money, money!
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #12
16. Excellent post!!!
Why is it people can post the most heinous, racist, anti eyeglass wearing bias stuff and get away with it?

The mods are biased, that's why.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #16
18. You and crim son have shown, over a long time, that you are in cahoots.
What, do you PM each other about your posts to say "Give me a pat on the back here!"?

Your obvious cliquish "togetherness" impresses me not the least in this debate.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #18
21. And why shouldn't we support one another?
I know who my friends are, and I know who's a dumbass moron without a pot to piss in!
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #21
23. Honest to God. I don't know why Skinner lets some people post
here.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #12
17. So you don't think people should have jobs? Want us all to go back
to a nomadic hunter/gatherer society? Just regulate businesses right out of existence?

Good luck starting that cook fire with the bear breathing down your neck, trying to get at the rabbit you managed to kill in the nuclear wasteland you created when you bankrupted everyone and everything.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #17
22. Pot meet kettle.
Funny how some people are all set to jump on the "I told you so" bandwagon...when mere months ago they were punching the clock at the very same bankrupting corporations. Sure...fine for you. :eyes:
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #22
24. Of course. I bow to your infinite moral superiority.
Since we're all corporatist, dirtbag, baby-robbing hypocrites and you're the only one who knows and speaks the truth, what should we do, oh enlightened one?
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #24
115. If you only knew how hard MrsGrumpy works in her activism,
you wouldn't insulted her that way. You have characterized her exactly opposite to what she is.

America has literally been saved by her, and you would cast her on the dungheap of history.

Your inability to work together, to strive for a common goal beyond our meager and irrelevant differences, is precisely why democrats lose in every election.

I think you would fit better in Ayn Rand's party, and probably be a lot happier and avoid the years of therapy that you surely need.
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SofaKingLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:45 AM
Response to Original message
25.  Why do you hate the working class?
I'm sensing a lot of anger here. Are you trying to put body shops out of business?
Did some dent puller hurt you in the past?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:47 AM
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26. Exactly! That will keep drunks off the road and make our roads safer!
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:50 AM
Response to Original message
27. The more we argue about this, the less we focus on BBV!
Jeez people! Stop falling for this Rovian plot to distract us from the REAL problems in Amarica!!! Stay focused!




:rofl:
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #27
30. Who's paying you to say that.
I always knew there were paid operatives on DU...and now I have PROOF!
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #30
36. typical leftist scare tactics
this is obviously why the DLC should have full control over the party.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #36
37. You know...call me a loony leftist, checker playing dimwit but at
least I have standards. Some people would sell their mother just to get a vote.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #37
45. Ah, another in your endless, tiresome, boring tirades against Wes Clark.
Why don't you give it up? The election was two years ago.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. I bet you're someone who accepts the *OFFICIAL* 9/11 explanation
Open your mind for a change and you'll hear the TRUTH!!!11
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:53 AM
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29. You're ready to surrender your civil liberties too huh?
I thought most DUers were anti-Fascist, I guess I'm wrong.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:56 AM
Response to Reply #29
31. This isn't about civil liberties... This is about doing the right thing
..to protect our children...and our children's children. :patriot:
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #31
34. What do you intend to do? Hide them then your cellar
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 10:13 AM by Anarcho-Socialist
Isn't that a little extreme? If you don't see this for what it is - a sop to the insurance sector then you're a corporate shill.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #34
39. Did I say that? Show me where I said that? Oh...you can't? Why?
Probably because I NEVER SAID THAT! What is with people that they can't address the subject at hand and always end up going off on some wild tangent? I swear, that's why this country is going to hell.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #39
42. I know people with attention issues (trolling) when I see them
and yet you claim to be all 'innocent'. Most people here see through your garbage. I have tried to debate with you REASONABLY and all you want to do is write offensive hateful things. You're the reason why the Dems don't do well in south.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #42
44. Nicely said! I prefer people, like you, who see through the bullshit
instead of creating the bullshit, and people who argue using logic and good sense and facts instead of just making shit up or getting all emotional. You have been more than patient, and I applaud you for that. I wish I could say the same about certain others; others who obviously don't care that the South is laughing at us as a party.

:applause:
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #44
57. Real nice...Yep. Pile on.
Just what I expected from people who seem to have a problem with thinking for themselves and grab talking points from the latest RW pundit. :eyes:
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antigone382 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #44
118. Yeah, well I'm glad YOUR driving skills are so PERFECT!!!!
If you're such a good driver, why don't you just go join Nascar there, Ricky Bobby? I mean, you obviously LIKE guzzling up all the oil with your silly driving tests, raising up prices and ensuring our doom when IT ALL RUNS OUT!!!1!11 Which it will--trust me--and then where will you be? Starving in a mudhut with dysentery, that's where! But hey, it'll all be OK, because there won't be any dangerous drivers on the empty roads of the post-peak oil global wasteland! AREN'T YOU PROUD OF THE WORLD YOU CREATED??????????!!!!!!!1!!11!1111
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #118
119. So all that nuclear waste we're making is just fine with you, then?
Perhaps you'd like to store it all in your backyward, then.

But probably not - all you faux-environmentalist are nimbys: not in my backyard types.

But who the hell cares? Bring on the radiation holocaust!
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antigone382 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #119
122. Oh please!!!! Preach it, Ricky Bobby...
(Or would you prefer if I called you Dale Earnhardt???) Just exactly WHERE did I say that I supported nuclear energy? HMMMM??? Could you copy & paste it, bold, italicize, and underline it, and put it in quotation marks so that I could clearly see just where I said what it is you're saying I said?

Oh, that's right, You CAN'T, because I DIDN'T. But whatever, I'm used to these kinds of outrageous claims coming from CERTAIN POSTERS WHO SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS, WHOSE NAME STARTS WITH "R" AND ENDS WITH "rrrrrr."
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #122
123. Since you had a chance to deny it and didn't, I can only assume I'm right.
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 11:22 PM by Rabrrrrrr
You want our schools filled with spent uranium rods and other nuclear waste, poisoning our children because they are the most vulnerable and most disposable to you.

Perhaps you want to do medical research on the children to see the effects of radiation? Or maybe just out of cruelty or a twisted sense of "hijinks" and "frivoloty".

You make me sick.

You must have had a rotten childhood to be filled with such hatred for all life.

"Hey, antigone382, we have a few tens of thousands elementary schools without any radiation - we better spend grandma's social security on building more and more nuclear plants so we have more waste for the children!"
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antigone382 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #123
125. You know what? I DID have a rotten childhood!!!!
Thanks for bringing THAT up and dredging up all sorts of horrible, painful memories for me. That shows just how much CLASS you have. Just what did that kind of personal attack have to do with your stupid idea anyway? God, I'm so sick of these clueless elitists out there who had completely ROSY childhoods and don't know what real PAIN is!!! Or maybe they're just heartless sociopaths. If I decide I just can't take it anymore and end it all tonight, I just want you to know it's totally your fault!
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #125
126. I refuse to apologize for the financial circumstances of my parents
and my subsequent upbringing. It wasn't my fault, and your attempt to malign wealthy people - to compare them to the evil of cancer or tuberculosis - is pathetic, sophomoric, and generates no sympathy from me.

In fact, it repels me even more that you would equate these terrible diseases, under which millions of people suffer, with the "disease" of wealth. You have just made a caricature of hundreds of millions of people, suffering from no fault of their own, suffering terribly, by ridiculing their diseases and trivializing them with your comparison.

I suppose in your perfect world, the sick would be left to die - perhaps even speeded along by "Pain Relief Patriots" commissioned with the work of shooting the sick in the head so they die immediately and can be that much more quickly swept from your oh-so-superior view.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #29
90. Great post!!
I agreee wholeheartedly w/your reasoned, eloquent post. :applause: Today a driver's exam, tomorrow a one-way ticket to Gitmo!1! Since when did we start blindly submitting to authority?? The OP represents everything that's wrong with America.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:57 AM
Response to Original message
32. I LOVE how OP starts an obvious thread intended to draw flames...
and then takes off... Troll? Hmmmm.. I wonder
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #32
52. And, don't we have more important things to worry about?
Like JonBenet, Kudzu, Tom Cruise. I mean... HELLO?! Glad this is all the OP thinks is fucking important. WTF kind of shit is this, anyway???
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #52
74. So we should only worry about whatever issue you decide is the world's
most important issue at the time?

We can't address two or three issues at once?

So we either let Iraq burn to the ground and end up in civil that leads to world annihilation, or we let Hezbollah destroy Israel and lead to world annihilation?

So, then, what is the ONE AND ONLY ONE issue that we are allowed to discuss, O Great and Wise Arbiter Of All?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #74
75. Oh, great strawman argument!
Give me a break.

Go find someone else, because I'm done playing with you.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #52
112. Correct
Congressional Dems have been silent on the Kudzu issue. No wonder we lost in 2004.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:58 AM
Response to Original message
33. everyone says this is flamebait, so I think you should stop
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #33
35. Best. Post. Ever.
But he's not listening. He's already gone on to greener pastures. Ready to post his own unique brand of passive agressive B.S. :hi:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #33
43. Oh, okay - so you're willing to live under a one world government
with a sole leader who tells us what we can and cannot do?

I'm sorry, but I believe in the sovereignty of the United States of America.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #33
54. This is typical for this poster n/t
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #54
62. why do you hate America?
:hi:
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:23 AM
Response to Original message
46. Driver's licenses aren't the problem. It's cars.
Until this country is ready to commit to more energy efficient transportation solution no one should be allowed to drive.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #46
48. Very nice - let the rural people starve to death.
That will help the population problem.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #48
49. Nice try.
Rural people should be growing their own food. If they starve it would be because they didn't take ownership of their food supplies.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #49
51. And I suppose they can hire your militia to guard the food supplies
in this world of chaos and survival-of-the-fittest that you've so negligently created?

It's always about what benefits Gormy Cuss, isn't it?
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #51
53. That's it. I'm leaving DU.
Right after I alert on your post.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #53
55. Consider yourself on Ignore n/t
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #55
109. Anyone who uses the 'Ignore' is a coward and not a real liberal
What's wrong, can't handle the TRUTH!!!1?//
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #109
130. Don't you DARE challenge my LIberal street cred
Freeper troll.

"Socialist" my ass. Consider YOURSELF on Ignore, too.

Jerk.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #51
59. Right on brother! I mean, looking at this thread one can see
where DUers, who shall remaing nameless, would throw the rest of us under the bus. :grr:
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #59
63. Passive aggressive much?
No wonder the Democrat party always looses.
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antigone382 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #63
120. "Democrat party?" What a TROLL-like thing to say...
REAL Democrats say "Democratic Party." Everyone KNOWS only freepers call it "Democrat party." Maybe you're on the wrong discussion board... :eyes:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #120
121. Good catch! Fucking trolls can't keep their stupidity secret, can they?
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 11:12 PM by Rabrrrrrr
They think they're so damned clever, but are so easily spotted.

I've had my eyes on that one for a long time.
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antigone382 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #121
124. Thanks for backing me up, man!
If it weren't for good DUers like you, stupid trolls like this one would drive me completely insane!

Brilliant idea you've suggested here, and I'm sorry to see it torn to shreds by these whacked out extremists!
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:26 AM
Response to Original message
47. What's next? Renewing your voter registration every year?
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #47
58. Finally! The voice of reason...
1. I can't believe the mods haven't locked this.

2. It's the same people spewing the same pablum (regurgitated and swallowed four times) as always.

3. I swear if this continues I'm voting for Nader.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. I think the longest lines at the DMV should be saved for these nanny law
loving maroons!
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #60
110. Who do you work for? FAUX News?
Spouting the latest garbage. Let me tell you something FASCISM does NOT work.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:37 AM
Response to Original message
50. What a freakin' nanny state argument
Like seat belt laws aren't intrusive enough??? I suppose you think we need a license to walk across the damned street. Jeez.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:54 AM
Response to Original message
56. Everything changed after the events of Sept. the 11th.
We need to remember drivers are now living in a post-9/11 world.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #56
61. What are you? A conspiracy theorist? I thought those were planes
driven into the buildings. Keep talking like this and people will start saying that aliens kidnapped the Lindbergh baby.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #61
66. Some don't understand there are bad people who want to hurt us.
It's this kind of pre-9/11 thinking that would er... put unsafe cars on the road, leading to er... severe damage to national security.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #66
73. Oh, Christ - what's next? Banning kids from bowling alleys?
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 01:28 PM by Rabrrrrrr
Or requiring bowling alleys to offer foam balls whenever kids are present so no child gets hurt?
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #73
78. After Sept. the 11th, we're not saying "stay the course" --
Just adapt to win. If foam balls is what it takes, heck, we're prepared to go there.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #73
84. Terrorists COULD use bowling balls to attack next time
Every bowling ball must be registered and every bowling ball user must have a license to use that particular bowling ball!

:scared:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #84
96. Of course, the America in which recreation is only for the rich.
How could I have been so blind as to not realize that all past-times should be regulated and taxed to the point that only the rich can afford to do them. The working class is supposed to work, not bowl, right? Yep - fuck the workers.

And we wonder why the dems lose in the south.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #96
106. Oh, so you think we should just let the terrorist "bowl us over"
and destroy our way of life? Why do you value bowling over America? There are bowlers out there who want to kill us all! We need to have all the bowling alleys over in Iraq, so we don't have to fight them over here!

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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #106
107. Because these colors don't bleed, jackass.
But what would you know, I'm sure you would rather see us outsource all our fire departments to saudi arabia or mexico.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #107
108. Why do you hate firefighters?
Saudi firefighters are just as good as American firefighters. This is racism, pure and simple. So you think only Aryans make good firefighters, Adolf?
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 07:35 AM
Response to Reply #108
128. Instead of twisting my words, why don't you stop supporting genocide?
Because that's clearly what you're proposing.

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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:31 PM
Response to Original message
64. It would cost too much.
That would be the biggest problem. It would overwhelm the testing centers which are limited to begin with in some states.

I however think that when people are diagnosed with Alzheimers they should have their licenses revoked.

I personally know of two men who are driving around my community who are diagnosed and have Alzheimers and are taking meds for it.
Their wives don't want to make a fuss...and one woman lets her husband drive her around. Now tell me...when one of these gentlemen kill someone's kid with a car what will happen?
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. You favor Soylent Green then? Just dispose of the old people
and make them into food to feed the younger, "more able", "more capable" people. Yeah, well, who raised those younger people? Who made the world in which they live? Don't they deserve at least some modicum of respect? Don't they at least have a right to live beyond retirement? Obviously, you would have us build "Retirement Homes" in which they are euthanized.

Your anti-geriatric stance is disgusting.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #65
67. well only the more fit old people should be used for food
and only those who aren't on too many medications....cuz we don't want some youngsters drinking their geezer-shake and then pissing all day because the geezer had been addicted to water pills...

As for the others...to the fertilizer farm they go.

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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #67
71. Now that's what I call a modest proposal!!!
:yourock: More people here should think like you.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:07 PM
Response to Original message
69. Oh, so now you're for exploiting men made of straw?
I suppose you think that the SCARECROW in the WIZARD OF OZ wasn't as SMART as you ... just because he didn't have a BRAIN! Well, La Dee Dah! Mr. "I'm Up Here On My High Horse" kicking over poor raggedy CROP SAVERS and maybe even setting them on FIRE. Why don't YOU try chasing crows all day and then come talk to me! I'll bet you've never chased crows once in your life! I have! Many times! :grr:
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. Not to be a scarecrow nazi but, technically, scarecrows are solitary
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 01:13 PM by MrsGrumpy
strawmen, not usually given to chasing anything. If we're going to argue about something, we should at least have our facts straight.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #70
72. Thanks for taking a stand on clarity and facts!
I'm tired of the constant hyperemotionalism that passes for "debate" around here.

Some people will take anything out of context and spin it based on their own personal "issues" (or "demons", more rightly!). Next thing you know he's gonna say that monkeys should be allowed to run hospitals in order to be "inclusive" or that we shouldn't require Nuclear Engineers to have degrees in nuclear engineering because some people can't afford college, or aren't smart enough to pass their "arbitrary" standards, and why should they be included from well paying jobs like nuclear engineering?

Pfft.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #72
88. Oh, great, so now you and Mrs.G are ganging up against me?
And, you've decided to refer to me as a male even though I'm a female? So, what, you both hate women? I guess I'm not surprised about you but, why does Mrs.G hate herself? Maybe you both have deep inferiority issues, so much so that now you're both advocating rounding up an entire group of people, more than half the population, and putting them behind barbed wire fences in concentration camps. Wow. I really feel sorry you, with your hatred eating away at your insides like acid.
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 02:15 PM
Response to Original message
76. This is just another transparent GOP ploy to purge the voter rolls
in the motor-voter states. But why would they assume bad drivers vote democratic? Everyone knows that repugs are the worst drivers because their vision is obstructed by virtue of their heads being stuck up their asses.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #76
93. Exactly
Some people can't see a Rove plot when it's SO obvious. I think the OP, and all the "Democrats" supporting this policy, are actually paid Republican trolls.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:24 PM
Response to Original message
81. Let's just make people pass a test every time they go out for a drive!
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #81
82. So every time somebody gets a new prescription for their glasses
shouldn't they have to retake the test too? And whenever there is a new law passed, everybody's license should be invalid until they take the test anew!

And lawyers and doctors should have to take new tests every year and all other professionals, including teachers.

Nobody should ever be allowed to permanently be considered good enough for anything!
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #81
83. Well some say that people who fail tests should be shot on sight ...
Call me crazy, but where I come from, our deeply held values tell us that it's WRONG to gun someone down for failing an eye chart test. Sure, you fancy elitists might disagree, but you don't hold the same wholesome American values that I do!
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #83
89. So you think that blind people should be allowed to drive?
:eyes:

Why do you hate America?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #89
92. Oh, sure, you think just because people can't SEE things
when they get behind the wheel of a car, that they shouldn't be able to put the petal to the metal and use their sense of smell to detect obstacles in the road (or sidewalk, as the case may be). Obviously you hate everyone who is "differently abled" and not someperfect specimen of Aryan superiority with blonde hair and SEEING blue eyes. Hmmm ... Why does that sound familiar? Anyone else hear the sound of jackboots coming from treestar's post?
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #89
98. Then you advocate doing medical experiments on all "disabled" people?
Why not? If you aren't willing to allow them to be part of society, I suppose we could at least learn something medical from them, right? And who's gonna pay for all this, Mr. Don't-Tax and Spend? The thirty-two racially and genetically pure people you choose?
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:39 PM
Response to Original message
85. that's the thing with liberals
they always want more government. Just a little bureaucracy is not enough, they all advocate socialist solutions and make everything as inefficient and ineffective as it possibly can be.

Blah, I have class so I better go.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:42 PM
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86. Maybe it's uncool to love America. Maybe I'm unhip to enjoy sunsets.
Perhaps me saying that all people should retake and pass a driver's test every time they have their driver's license renewed won't get me invited to any of your "free love" Hollywood drug parties...

Well, if that's the case, Hanoi Jane, then I'm glad, nay, proud to be uncool.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:43 PM
Response to Original message
87. So sexist!
I see you really want to take all female drivers' licenses away. You're falling into old sexist stereotypes of the patriarchy - who's to say that more women won't pass your precious test? If you don't think women should drive, I suggest you move to Saudi Arabia, where you can live in a misogynistic oppressive country more to your liking! :mad:
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:54 PM
Response to Original message
91. A dangerous slippery slope
I suppose you think they should put the person's SCORE on a little decal right next to our driver's license picture, a triangular-shaped decal, which is just another fascist-like erosion of our PRIVACY RIGHTS. What's next? A "V" sticker, to single out vegan drivers? Should they do away with the organ donor program to save money for this unfunded mandate you propose? CHILDREN WILL DIE!!!11!! This is a HUGH burden!!1 Next thing you'll suggest is a "D" sticker so Republican cops can harrass and taser us when we are pulled over for playing our THUMPA THUMPA THUMPA BOOM BOOM HIP-HOP LOUDLY????!1// Or our Laura Branigan CD's, because I want to be all-inclusive and tolerant, ok????//?

HONESTLY, PEOPLE, THIS IS WHY WE LOoSE ELECTIONS!!!11 SERIESLY!! :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :argh: :nuke: :kick: for the DEMOCRATS!1!1!11

FUck U!
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:20 PM
Response to Original message
95. I'm not smart enough for this thread


that's the best I could do.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #95
97. Your posting of an obviously gay strawman speaks volumes.
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 05:36 PM by Rabrrrrrr
But, sadly, nowhere near as much as much as the fake, wrongly appopriated and sarcastically displayed psuedo-Native-American garb the strawman has on.

Haven't the Native Americans suffered enough, that you have to laugh at them and remind them of their shame?

:eyes:

And we wonder why dems lose elections.
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #97
99. don't forget the Scottish
there's some plaid in their too. This scarecrow is not gay, just trangender, btw.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #97
100. Who appointed you the First Amendment Policeman?
Hmmmm? Can't the poster simply put up the visual image of his or her choice without worrying about violating your overblown sensitivities? Why don't you just put a match to the Constitution and turn the whole country into a No-Free-Speech-Zone while you're at it? :eyes:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #100
101. Ah, wonderful - another perfect pavlovian knee-jerk into Libertarianism
from our foremost salivator, Oregonian.

Whew - maybe you can go back to worshipping Ayn Rand now that the bell is done ringing. Why are you at a democratic site anyway?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #101
103. If, by calling me a Libertarian, you mean that I am
brilliant, kind, successful, very respected, well-educated, a pillar of the community and totally hot, then, yes, I guess I AM a Libertarian.

As for worshipping, I guess anyone who doesn't worship by your rules and doesn't participate in the sick rituals you espouse (such as poking puppies with sharp sticks) and who doesn't fit into your narrow little definition of what is "allowed" will never gain the approval of your rigid ReligioFascistic mindset.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:56 AM
Response to Original message
104. "Drinking often leads to homophobic remarks. So it would be best..."
"to abolish drinking on campus. This would also significantly reduce sexual harrassment and sex in general." :crazy:
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #104
111. Yes because having ubiquitous drunk teenagers is so much better
:eyes:
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #111
113. I suppose we should just go back to prohibition and speakeasies then.
:eyes:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 07:32 AM
Response to Reply #113
127. Well said! That's PRECISELY what the poster is alluding to.
It's so obvious I can't believe more people haven't jumped on him.

Because we all know how well Prohibition worked the first time. :eyes:
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 09:00 AM
Response to Original message
105. I disagree. People should be allowed to drive cars
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 09:01 AM by nuxvomica
Why do you hate people who drive cars? :mad:
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:20 PM
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114. Your pro-driving school propaganda is so transparent
How much do they pay you to spam these boards with this divisive, calculated attempt to force unionized motor vehicles dept. employees to quit due to overwork, thereby busting yet another of our few surviving unions?
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #114
116. So then you think the taxi industry should just go unregulated
so our children can die in horrible, flaming accidents?

Okay, then. :eyes:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 03:38 PM
Response to Original message
129. You know, these DU conspiracy theory posts make the democrats
look bad. How could all the drivers in a country carry out a conspiracy to avoid having to retake driver's tests so they can drive poorly and dodge tickets?

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

This kind of post keep the Rethugs in power.
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