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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:33 PM
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Is there a Pit Bull News Cycle? Or a Pit Bull Season?
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 01:33 PM by mcscajun
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:36 PM
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1. Hot weather. Everyone and their dogs are outside.
That'd be my guess.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:52 PM
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11. That's a reasonable explanation.
Damn you for logic! :rofl:
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 02:43 PM
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12. AGAIN with the logic. Why do you hate America? I'm series.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:37 PM
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2. It's a good cheap news story
but I think dog bites in general go up when people are outside during the summer interacting with dogs, making noise, visiting friends... Also, injuries can be worse when people aren't bundled up in heavy coats and thick pants as they would be in fall and winter.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:39 PM
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3. It's better than covering environmental damage, labor issues, and the war
Y'know, the real stories. The corporate press is always dependably pro-corporate.

:sarcasm:
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:43 PM
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4. Well maybe these stories would go away
If pitbulls were recognized as dangerous breeds in all jurisdictions and were destroyed.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:48 PM
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6. Oh boy
:popcorn:

By the way, the word you're looking for is "killed." Things get destroyed, living beings die.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 07:10 AM
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27. I don't subscribe to that
A dog is a tool, like a hammer or a spatula. It's a thing. Needlessly anthropomorphizing it is ridiculous. Pit Bulls have no purpose, no function in society and should be... well, okay, killed.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 07:19 AM
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32. Well, I hope you don't have any pets, if you're comparing them to a hammer
or a spatula. That is sick.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:30 AM
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36. I have a kitty
He's an awesome cat, but I'm not under any false impression that he "loves" me or has any other human traits. He's a domesticated animal, something that our distant ancestors tamed for a reason. He has a use. And just because most of us (including me) don't use our pets for their designed purpose, doesn't mean to say that those purposes just go away.

My kitty, he's a like a big orange mousetrap that sleeps all day. It's not his fault there's no mice to kill.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:37 AM
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38. Well, I definitely feel that animals are capable of showing affection
towards their owners. My cats definitely seem to be capable of feelings. And German Shepherds are definitely intelligent and emotional dogs. You can't convince me otherwise of that.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:21 AM
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42. you sell your cat short.
humans and animals share virtually the same emotions and attachments -- but they are different from us -- and harder to read.

you too are just a fancy animal, btw.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 11:06 AM
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51. OMG.
That's sick.

Really sick.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:15 PM
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19. Way to advocate the KILLING of mostly innocent animals that fit the
loose description of a pit bull.

Welcome to DU!

:eyes:
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:44 PM
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5. Shark shark shark shark shark shark shark...missing blonde?
Missing blonde Missing blonde Missing blonde Missing blonde Missing blonde...hurricane?
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:51 PM
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8. Ha!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Thank you for adding perspective.

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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:20 PM
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21. Don't forget
snakes on a muhfuggin' PLANE! :scared:
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Indy_Dem_Defender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 07:25 AM
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33. LOL
You forgot what's always on the health front.
Butter bad margarine good; Butter good margarine bad; butter bad margarine good. This changes bi-monthly!
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Lady Effingbroke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 11:29 AM
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52. Repeat after me...
Betty Botter had some butter, "But," she said, "this butter's bitter. If I bake this bitter butter, it would make my batter bitter. But a bit of better butter-- that would make my batter better." So she bought a bit of butter, better than her bitter butter, and she baked it in her batter, then the batter was not bitter. So 'twas better Betty Botter bought a bit of better butter.

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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:50 PM
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7. It's the Two Minute Hate
...Summer Edition
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:52 PM
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10. Yup...anyone heard any Immigration tales lately?
They'll be back folks, never you mind.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:51 PM
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9. I was wondering the same thing
:shrug:
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 02:44 PM
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13. Pitbull season is right after seductive Middle School Teacher Lady Season
FYI
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 02:46 PM
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14. The Sharks are on vacation...
...and they need something to fill time before the hurricanes start.

- as
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 02:54 PM
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15. What is it about the pit bull breed that attracts a--holes?
And my sincerest apologies to the DU owners who own pits. I have nothing against the breed and helped "rescue" one recently that was the sweetest dog. (I considered keeping it, in fact, but my 11-year-old Lab went behind the couch and cried when I brought it in the house, so there went that.) But I have known more than a few total jerks and a--holes that just had to own a pit bull. Like the guy who used to live next door to me and owned a pit -- thing was as dumb as a box of rocks but just wanted to be loved. This SOB treated it terribly and my biggest regret is that I didn't just call the ASPCA on him.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 03:19 PM
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16. LOL it's the other way around. 80-20 rules apply.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 03:24 PM
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18. thing was as dumb as a box of rocks but just wanted to be loved.
the pit or the owner?
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:58 PM
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26. Unfortunately, the pit
And the poor dog ended up dead == don't ask.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 11:37 AM
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53. I feel bad for pit bulls because they can be good dogs
IF they have a proper upbringing and have a responsible owner.

But you seem to be right about ignorant a-holes being the most common type of pit bull owners.
I'd bet money your neighbors dog seemed "dumb as a box of rocks" because it never got trained, had a lousy puppyhood, and a lousy owner.
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:12 AM
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99. Because they're seen as a hard man's dog
They're strong and they have mean looks.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:20 AM
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100. Exactly----It's the look.
The need to intimidate.

I can't imagine one of those jerks wanting my toy poodle.

(or even my golden retriever).
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 03:21 PM
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17. I'm personally opposed to the breeding of pit bulls...
... but you're right. Enough already!
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:17 PM
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20. I'm only opposed to the breeding of them because there's too many loving
ones that need homes out there. Unfortunately, anything that remotely looks like it has a "pit" breed in it is labeled as a pit bull by the shelters usually, and it's often a death sentence.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:27 PM
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22. I'm personally opposed to anymore breeding of humans
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:42 PM
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23. Makes sense. We cause way more problems than pit bulls.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:56 PM
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24. It's a fear-driven topic, just like so many other things.
Pit bulls are the domestic doggie-next-door terra story. Everyone needs to be afraid all the time. That way, our rights can be more easily stolen away. People buy into it just like the 32%-ers that drink the kool-aid every single day and hand the keys to their lives to Bushco.

That's it, that's all.
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BelleCarolinaPeridot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:57 PM
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25. My pitbull has'nt bitten anybody.
Even though he did try to push me in the pool but that was all in fun :)
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 07:12 AM
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28. So?
I don't trust your dog and I'd rather that you didn't have it. Why would anyone want to own a dangerous breed? It's like owning a hot herp. I'd like to see the breed banned, but at the very least, there should be a muzzle law in every jurisdiction.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 07:17 AM
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30. They're not a dangerous breed. They're a sensationalized breed due to
Edited on Sun Jul-30-06 07:17 AM by haruka3_2000
dangerous owners which then produce dangerous dogs.

I'd own a pit bull in a heartbeat. You know why. I think they're cute, intelligent, and make wonderful pets when raised properly. Any reasonably sized dog can become a dangerous dog in the wrong hands. Unfortunately, bully breeds often attract assholes, who then create problem dogs, which then create media sensationalism, which then create IRRATIONAL fearful people, who then cause problems for the majority of pit bulls and their owners.

Most people couldn't even pick the real pit bull out of a lineup.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:28 AM
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34. Pitbulls have been specially bred
to fight and that's it. They shouldn't exist.

I volunteered at my local SPCA for years, working to rehabilitate and resocialize dogs prior to adoption, and the problem dogs were always pitbull something else crosses. Unadoptable, untrainable. Almost uniformly euthanized. It's a waste.

And don't get me wrong. I think *all* dogs should be muzzled in public and *no* dog should ever be off leash in a public place. Leaving your dog's crap on my yard, by the way, is the only crime that I'd be ever willing relax my anti-death penalty stance over.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:29 AM
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35. I find it shocking that you actually worked with animals
considering you find them to be a mere tool, like a hammer or a spatula, with completely meaningless lives.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:49 AM
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40. What?
Meaningless lives? Doesn't that sort of assume that lives can have "meaning". Think not. We're all here because we're here. Just animals. Nothing's got meaning.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:55 AM
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41. Well, I'm sure the living "tools" would prefer to stay alive.
Just because you don't feel their lives have "meaning," doesn't mean that whole breeds should be murdered for some bad dogs.

I'm sorry, but I feel (and I'm sure most people are with me) that lives have meaning.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:22 AM
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43. You cannot murder a dog
You can kill a dog, or in the proper setting euthanize one, but it's never murder.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:24 AM
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44. I think most people on this board would consider someone killing their
pet, for no reason, "murder."
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 01:32 PM
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57. Well, then they'd be pretty shocked when it came to trial
and the count of murder was dismissed.
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 10:46 AM
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75. That cold attitude bothers me.
I don't know of any shelter workers who feel that way or who would tolerate such an attitude from a volunteer or employee. And almost all of the Pit Bulls were "unadoptable" or "untrainable"? I call bullshit. Between having worked in conformation-show clubs (including showing the first American Pit Bull Terrier I ever owned) and working in rescue (which includes working with shelters on a regular basis) I've dealt with hundreds of these dogs. The ones I would consider unadoptable might number as high as 10, but I'd be stretching. Off the top of my head, two nasty dogs owned by a jailed crackhead (I really wanted to see the crackhead euthanized, frankly), one of a group of 5 dogs kept chained in a Milwaukee basement for 5 years and never let outside (I still have a male left from this bunch, two dogs are in great homes and another had to be euthanized due to inoperable tumors), a rednose male found chained to a pole in an abandoned building in Milwaukee (we fostered him for awhile before finally euthanizing him), and a young puppy that for whatever reason just wasn't wired right. Oh, and a deaf dog that barked incessantly in spite of all efforts to work with the problem. That's all I can think of at the moment. Every dog we place goes through a battery of temperament tests, no pass, no place. If anything, the Pits are among the most resilient and responsive to rehabbing - they're extremely people-oriented and eager to please. If you even put in a half-assed effort in they'll get the basics down quickly. And I truly resent the bullshit assertion that they have no function in society - Pits excel at therapy work, search & rescue, agility, obedience trials, any kind of dog work you can think of. They're rugged, eager to please, often above-average in intelligence, and usually have a fantastic nose to boot. For someone to have worked with dogs for that long yet be so incredibly ignorant baffles the hell out of me, to be honest.

Todd in Beerbratistan
www.chicagopitbulls.org
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:01 AM
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76. A "TOOL'' ???
Can you imagine ?? ---calling an animal 'A TOOL, Like a hammer". !!!


I have met some people who choose not to have pets, but I have never heard of anyone refer
to them as inanimate unfeeling objects. Scarey thought--
Absolutely cruel, perverse thought.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:37 AM
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77. It's anthropomorphism plain and simple
You can like a cat or a dog fine. Love it even, but to suggest that animals have human emotions is idiotic. They don't.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #77
91. Even if you don't want to admit they have true feelings, you have to admit
they have a lot more going on in their heads than a 'hammer' or 'spatula.' If not, you're just a truly sick human being.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:12 AM
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93. I'm fine with that
There's stuff going on in their heads, but it's not the stuff that going on in ours.

Remember, dogs, cats, guinea pigs... they are no different than cows and sheep and pigs. If we get all weeepy, then we turn into vegetarians or worse, vegans.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:16 AM
Response to Reply #93
94. Oh and what an atrocity that is...
:eyes:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:34 AM
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37. That's untrue.
Some have, yes. Some bloodlines excel at it when put in the hands of a particular type of redneck asshole, yes. Really quite mild and tame if you look at some specific examples and bloodlines of presas, dogos, etc. It's the dog (more specifically, the owner that creates those traits in a specific dog), not the breed.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:24 AM
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45. stats show that they are actually less likely to bite than other breeds.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 01:39 PM
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59. Oh no they don't
In the US, between the years 1979 and 1996, there were 279 fatal dog attacks, and 1 in 4 were caused by dogs identified as "pit bulls". This made pitbulls the most homocidal breed in America, followed by Rotties. That's from the CDC, by the way.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. the cdc study was faulty and it's german shephards
that bit the most people.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. Yeah, that CDC place is usually wrong
nice try.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 02:54 PM
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63. CDC "No breed of dog is inherently vicious"
Edited on Sun Jul-30-06 02:57 PM by Karenca
CDC-"The problem exists not within the breed of dog, but rather within the owners that fail to control, supervise, maintain and properly train the breed of dog they choose to keep.

SOMETHING ELSE FOR YOU: http://www.fataldogattacks.com/
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 08:14 AM
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72. Easy fix to problem
If there were no pitbulls to own, then assholes couldn't own them. End of problem. Ditto Rots. They are utterly unnecessary. A bunch of other breeds too. You do not have the "right" to own a dog. And your ability to own certain breeds is a matter that is easily legislated.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #61
64. du search is your friend.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #59
65. "I learned that they see more bites from little dogs and cats than
When I talked to my insurance company about my dogs they said they see hardly any bites involving pit bulls, they see more from Cocker Spaniels. Why are these facts not brought to the public's attention? It's called discrimination."

Please help stop "Pit Bull Hysteria." Pit bulls are such a loving animal and they are so special. Don't create a bigger problem.

And one more---"http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:i4h5uFGIe8MJ:www.p...
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 08:11 AM
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71. A cat bite generally doesn't kill
On the other hand, 25% of people who are killed by dogs are killed by pitbulls. It's a dangerous breed that shouldn't exist.
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IsIt1984Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #71
74. Where the fuck do you get that statistic?
"25% of people who are killed by dogs are killed by pitbulls"

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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #74
78. The CDC
1 in 4 is pretty much 25%, right?
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:44 AM
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80. 60 of 240 fatalities were caused by pitbulls CDC eom
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #80
84. Let's ban human breeding!
Sterilze all Neocons!!!!!!!
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #84
88. A voluntary ban on new humans is a good idea
As long as it's voluntary or perhaps accompanied by financial incentives. There are a lot of kids left to adopt and no one "needs" to have children. There are too many people on this planet. Too many dangerous dogs, too, but that's another issue.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #34
47. A man was just sentenced to 9 years for
stabbing a German Shephard. The dog survived.

<<" I think *all* dogs should be muzzled in public">>

Yeah, like my seven pound teddy-bear toy poodle really needs a muzzle.
And my Golden Retriever, who is a therapy dog for the elderly, well,
I guess like you say---her life is meaningless.



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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #47
48. I feel bad for the poster's cat. I imagine it doesn't get much love.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:58 AM
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49. I do too --
Edited on Sun Jul-30-06 11:01 AM by Karenca
She/he refers to animals as "tools"....like a hammer or spatula. How sick is that?

The poor cat deserves a loving human.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 01:35 PM
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58. Kitty gets a lot of love
I love my cat like crazy, but I know he doesn't love me back. Love is a human emotion, one that animals don't feel. I, on the other hand, do feel it and take great care of my little cat, who has been neutered, is up to date with his shots, and is an indoor pet. He isn't declawed (which is needlessly cruel) and he only eats the 100% organic catfood. He has an awesome life. But... as far as human emotions go, he doesn't have any. He's a cat.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 02:47 PM
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62. Learning about animal emotions help us learn more about ourselves
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:BBEQOIcFOEQJ:www.bb...

I think you should read the above linked article. And when you're done reading it, pick up your cat and give her a hug.

One quote: "Many animals display profound grief at the loss or absence of a close friend or loved one. Jane Goodall, who has studied chimpanzees in the wild for more than 40 years, observed Flint, a young chimpanzee, withdraw from his group, stop feeding and literally die of a broken heart after the death of his mother, Flo. Flint remained for several hours where Flo lay, then struggled on a little further, curled up and never moved again."
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 04:13 PM
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66. After both of the times we've had to put a dog down, the cats got very
depressed. They just laid around and barely ate for a week or so. They also seem to show definite affection towards me. Hell, even my rabbits (who have been together since they were a few weeks old) were noticeably depressed acting when I had to seperate them for 10 days after they got fixed. They were really excited when they got to move back in together.

And many dogs are extremely emotionally in tune with people. German Shepherds seem to be even more in tune than most dogs.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 05:10 PM
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67. "Noone can fully understand the meaning of love until he's owned by a dog"
Yes, your cats definitely love you. I had a precious cat once. She loved me so much. It's been years since she's gone, and I still miss her.

Pets are so special--they're pure innocence and filled with unconditional love.

And about German Shephards--when I was young, my first dog was a Shephard. When my family and I would leave the apartment, we would look up to our 3rd floor window. There was Brandy, scrunching his whole huge body onto the windowsill, with his sad head hung low.
He never left that windowsill. even if we were gone for the entire day.

That's love !

:loveya:
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 06:18 PM
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68. Funny German Shepherd story...
I worked as a personal assistant for a woman who worked out of her house and had 5 German Shepherds. Anyway, half the time, she was away and then I just stayed there and took care of the dogs. I'm watching the season finale of "The L Word" when Dana dies from cancer. Her best friend and former lover leaves the hospital to go for a walk at the urging of the nurse and while she's gone, Dana passes away. If there was a hidden camera around, it would have been quite a sight. Everyone's crying on the tv. I'm watching it and crying. I have a German Shepherd on each side of me on the couch, one on the loveseat and one on the floor. Well, I always say that German Shepherds can talk, because they seem to have a vocalization for everything. All of the dogs started making this weird crying noise and the two on the couch with me sat up and started licking my face. We were truly a pathetic crew that afternoon.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 06:23 PM
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69. Awwww!
That is so precious!

I can just imagine how sweet that must have been. I love it. :)
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 08:10 AM
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70. That's just anthropomorphic nonsense
It's not even worth debating. Animals do not have human emotions.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:58 AM
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73. It's "not worth debating", because
you said so.

I'm going to choose to believe the scientists on this.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:42 AM
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79. Good luck finding a real scientist who agrees with you
Not some sort of flakey let's teach the monkeys sign language nut, but a real scientist in a refereed journal. Let's see you find a qualified someone who teaches at a decent research university who comes right out and says in print that "cats can love people". And when they say "love" mean it in exactly the same way that we mean it when we're talking about humans (take your pick of different types of love). It's silly. You won't find it.

I'm sorry if you've got this delusional little world set up where your dog or cat is your pal, but it isnt' true. You are projecting human emotions onto an equally complex set of non-human stimulus repsonses and instincts. You can think what you want, but it doesn't make it real.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:52 AM
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82. Well, I have found FOUR
Marc Bekoff, Jane Goodall, Rupert Sheldrake and Mary Lou Randour.---

Four sccientists, who through their research have discovered that animals exhibit emotion and intelligence.
And not just dogs: these findings include a large variety of primates, bears, pigs, horses, cattle, cats, a few various rodents, elephants and so forth.

Again, I am choosing to trust the scientists.

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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 01:32 PM
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87. Okay I get it
Jesus I can be slow sometimes. That was a good laugh. I thought you were serious until you said Rupert Sheldrake.

Sorry, as a Canadian, I have a really hard time with irony.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 07:36 PM
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90. I'de trust his resume over yours
any day.

Rupert Sheldrake, Ph.D.

Rupert Sheldrake is a biologist and author of more than 75 scientific papers and ten books. A former Research Fellow of the Royal Society, he studied natural sciences at Cambridge University, where he was a Scholar of Clare College, took a double first class honours degree and was awarded the University Botany Prize. He then studied philosophy at Harvard University, where he was a Frank Knox Fellow, before returning to Cambridge, where he took a Ph.D. in biochemistry. He was a Fellow of Clare College, Cambridge University, where he carried out research on the development of plants and the ageing of cells. At Clare College he was also Director of Studies in biochemistry and cell biology.

From 1968 to 1969, based in the Botany Department of the University of Malaya, Kuala Lumpur, he studied rain forest plants. From 1974 to 1985 he worked at the International Crops Research Institute for the Semi-Arid Tropics (ICRISAT) in Hyderabad, India, where he was Principal Plant Physiologist. While in India, he also lived for a year and a half at the ashram of Fr Bede Griffiths in Tamil Nadu, where he wrote his first book, A New Science of Life. In September 2005, he was appointed to the Perrott-Warwick Scholarship , administered by Trinity College, Cambridge. He is also a Fellow of the Institute of Noetic Sciences, near San Francisco, and an Academic Director and Visiting Professor at the Graduate Institute in Connecticut. He lives in London with his wife Jill Purce and two sons.

He has appeared in many TV programs in Britain and overseas, and was one of the participants (along with Stephen Jay Gould, Daniel Dennett, Oliver Sacks, Freeman Dyson and Stephen Toulmin) in a TV series called A Glorious Accident, shown on PBS channels throughout the US. He has often taken part in BBC and other radio programmes. He has written for newspapers such as the Guardian, where he had a regular monthly column, The Times, Sunday Telegraph, Daily Mirror, Daily Mail, Sunday Times, Times Educational Supplement, Times Higher Education Supplement and Times Literary Supplement, and has contributed to a variety of magazines, including Resurgence, the Ecologist and the Spectator.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:10 AM
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92. That's hilarious
He's a flake, an idiot who believes in telepathy. Only morons believe in telepathy.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:23 AM
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95. An idiot? You're too funny.
I'm curious--How come you're the only one who believes that animals are void of any emotions?

I guess you're just so much smarter than all of us,
including the moronic scientists.



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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 08:34 AM
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96. I'm the only one? You can't be serious
Firstly, I don't care what what laypeople "believe" about scientific subjects. It's a classic example of "truthiness": just because a whole bunch of people want to believe something, doesn't make it true. We have a duty to only pay attention to rational, peer-reviewed, reproducable research, devoid of any sort of emotional bias. It's the only way to combat those forces that want to force their agendas down our throats. If we get all emotional about the little animals and their little feelings (not that they have any, because they don't), it's tantamount to getting all hysterical over the flag or denying rights to gay people or loving America. This sort of irrational appeal to emotion has to stop. It's probably the single worst facet of American culture to date. Rational science only.

Secondly, you have not demonstrated that animals have human emotions. I don't have to demonstrate that they don't. You have to demonstrate that they do. That's the law of parsimony and if you don't like it, tough.

Thirdly, the so-called scientists you muster to support your argument are not credible. I cannot even begin to explain how offensive it is to cite Rupert to prove any sort of case. Jesus H. Bogtrotter, Rupert believes in telepathy. Telepathy doesn't exist. It's parapsychology. It's a pseudoscience. It is utterly and completely unworthy of serious reply, rebuttal or comment. It doesn't count.

You can believe that your cat feels mudita or angst or ennui or Schadenfreude, but dimes to donuts says that your cat doesn't, and claiming that your cat does is ridiculous.


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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 08:37 AM
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97. So what are you saying? Gay people do not deserve the same rights as
straights?

Holy shit.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 08:56 AM
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98. No, I am saying the opposite
I'm saying that "truthiness" leads to gay people being denied their rights.

Emotional appeals to a mass of public belief is irrational.

I think that emotional appeals to a mass of public belief is a terrible, terrible thing.

I think "truthiness" is evil.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 01:36 PM
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89. Ummm... A great dog has been misbred by misguided people.
The pit bull used to be a family dog... and then a bunch of assholes went out and ruined a fantastic dog. Your ignorance makes me want to go out and rescue one. :eyes:
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 07:14 AM
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29. I'm just praying that pitbulls aren't to '06 what sharks were to '01. nt
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 07:18 AM
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31. Yeah, I hope not, but it's looking that way.
Of course, everyone is all over the pit bull in Missouri that killed a woman, but there's no outrage anywhere over the lab that killed someone in Missouri. Where are all the people calling to ban labs?
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 11:25 AM
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101. And let's not forget the alligators in 06
They're scarfing down the humans in Florida this year.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:48 AM
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39. A discussion on threads from GD gets moved from GD? I don't get it.
Edited on Sun Jul-30-06 09:48 AM by mcscajun
:shrug:

Anywho...good respsonses on the thread, all the same.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:27 AM
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46. if people are going to live with animals -- then sometimes
Edited on Sun Jul-30-06 10:27 AM by xchrom
bad things are to happen.

the thing is -- dogs and other animals suffer far more horrors from us than we ever do from them.

but because we love our superiority more than we love animals -- we continue to live with and excuse the abuses.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:59 AM
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50. Somebody posted this article in GD
I really think people who are commenting on the issue ought to read it.

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/07/30/Floridian/Kennel_tras...
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 11:40 AM
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54. That is so heartbreaking.
:cry:
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 11:52 AM
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56. I hate people.
:cry:

not the people that are trying to help, but the assholes that do so much harm to these animals. :cry:
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:50 AM
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81. oh...dear God
:cry:

That hurts to read.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 11:49 AM
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55. Post #5 answered O.P.'s question.I'm frustrated over # of threads in GD
Edited on Sun Jul-30-06 11:55 AM by UTUSN
I'm clearly a dog lover, but there seems to be no end to the number of threads in GD on pit bulls these last few days.

Poster #5 nailed it: Sharks, missing blondes, Michael JACKSON, now Mel GIBSON and pit bulls.

Just about anything can have an angle that is "politicial" for GD: JACKSON, how this society is handling child abuse; GIBSON, interaction of religion and prejudice; pits, human responsibility. But in this case there is little room for DISCUSSION (as in General DISCUSSION): Dogs are good, irresponsible people need to be trashed.

I remember focusing on SCHIAVO as a major POLITICAL issue from Day 1 and being asked not to take attention away from the mass demonstrations for peace taking place at the time. I just wish that some topics could be consolidated into appropriate forums for the duration of their shelflife--today, this being a Mel GIBSON forum and a pit bull forum.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:58 AM
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83. "Is there a Pit Bull News Cycle"
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE BIRD FLU????? :crazy:
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IsIt1984Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 12:24 PM
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85. Or ANTHRAX or KILLER SHARKS?!
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 01:11 PM
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86. I guess it's a "pit bull market"
:-)
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