h.e.a.r. vs h.e.r.e. (dammit)

[Triana]

I see these two completely different but identically pronounced words so often mixed up HERE on DU that it's making me nuts. Misusing words like this makes us sound so - erm, Freeperish and it makes me cringe every time I see it done.

So HERE are the proper usages and definitions of HEAR vs. HERE:
_ _ _ _ _

HEAR:

To perceive by the ear; to apprehend or take cognizance of by the ear; as, to hear sounds; to hear a voice; to hear one call.

HERE:

At or in this place: Stop here for a rest.

_ _ _ _ _

Another one I keep seeing misused and mixed up:

THERE

(as in "over THERE")

and

THEIR

(a possessive. as in "It's THEIR song")


Otay?

Otay.

You can flame me now for being so neurotic and anal. I just hate to see DUers resemble freeps in their use of words (unless they're mocking them of course :evilgrin:)

[JohnyCanuck]

1. You forgot you're and your n/t

[Triana]

6. Egh! That's another one!!

You're is a contraction for "you are" and should not be used where the words "you are" would not sound correct.

"It's your shirt" is correct. (possessive)

"It's you're shirt" is incorrect because you wouldn't say "It's you are shirt"

:P

[tuvor]

2. You should have used hyphens in your subject line.

Not periods.

Hey, I can be anal, too, can't I? :)

[Triana]

7. Sure... :) (n/t)

[Bluebear]

3. Seriesly, I notice it to. nt

[Triana]

10. Mwahahaaa!

I'm series to.

:evilgrin:

[Old and In the Way]

4. I try to overlook those transgressions.

cuz I have a tendency to do it myself. Don't forget "they're"...I'm guilty of abusing that one, two.

[Triana]

16. Yea. I'll surely regret this post but...

...I've seen here and hear mixed up HERE at least 3 times today so decided to risk it, knowing I'll get creamed.

Oh well. :)

(I saw that 'two' too!) :P

[REP]

47. It Makes It Hard To Read and Understand Postings With Those Errors

I don't "sound out" things as I read them; I just read them. When I see bad grammar, it makes me have to stop and you back and figure out what the writer was trying to communicate. Often, I'll give up and move on to the next post. A "teh" here and there happens; even a "there" for a "their," but to see the same errors over and over again is just frustrating.

[Triana]

62. Same here. It's hard for me to read them

and make sense of what the person is trying to say. And when I keep seeing the same ones all the time it makes me nuts (nuttier). Not that I'm trying to pick on anyone. Just doing a little edumuckation. :P I do the their/there one sometimes - and teh too. I hate that!

[REP]

65. Big "Think-o" In My Own Post!

Typed "you" when I meant "go" - how I did that I have now freaking idea!

[babylonsister]

5. Yeah. Otay? Okay or OK or anything but Otay-uggh!

I really hate criticizing anyone for grammar, so I'll sit this one out. I did it once, and felt terrible.
Like, who the hell am I to question anyone else's thought processes? Ya know? :popcorn:

[Horse with no Name]

19. Not only that

But IMO, it is elitest to criticize someone else's grammar and/or spelling.
You don't know if someone might be dyslexic, or if they had to drop out of school for one reason or the other.
I say just grin and bear (or bare--take your pick) the grammatical errors and read for content only. Even people who are lacking in these areas sometimes contribute more to the community than those who dot every "i", cross every "t" and know when and where to put "i" after "e"..:)

[gatorboy]

8. Here, Hear!

eom

[Triana]

11. LOLOL! (n/t)

[TahitiNut]

9. Their getting there drinks over they're.

:silly: Your sayin' it's a mute point, huh?

[Triana]

12. freep alert!

:P just kidding.

I know it's anal (sorry) but it makes me nuts when I see it all the time.

[TahitiNut]

15. (cough) You say "nuts" like it's a Bad Thing™?

Hmmmm.... :dunce:

[Triana]

18. Well...CERTAIN nuts are bad things...

...like overly nitpicky DU posters who get hives when they see words mixed up too often and worry that DUers will sound (er, read) too much like freeptards. I'm guilty of mixing them sometimes too. I hate when I do that.

TahitiNuts are OK though. :)

[IChing]

13. Actually it is hear here

Listen in as Radio Cleveland interviews a couple of comics.

Those comedy-savvy chaps at BBC Radio Cleveland have been interviewing some more comics as they pass through the area.
Last week, it was Adam Bloom, who spoke about the six half-hour shows he's currently writing for Radio 4, as well as his thoughts on Jimmy Carr, novels and Canada.

You can hear it here.
The same programme,
Gobstopper, also spoke to stand-up Anvil Springstien, and you can listen to that interview here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/news/2005/08/31/24233.shtml

[Triana]

21. Thanks IChing...

...we can all use some laughter these days! And thanks for the great example too. :P

[IChing]

30. Well, it is damn it not dammit, darn it. LOL N/T

[WhiteTara]

14. they're there their

are the ones that drive me round the bend

[babylonsister]

17. Please let me know the distinction between than and then; I'm

sort of lost occasionally.

As for people who are more challenged by English then I am, I welcome their thoughts and do not make judgements or cast aspersions, or try not to.

[Triana]

20. I'll try...

than is a comparison word:

"I'd rather have vanilla than chocolate."
"The weather is much better today than yesterday."


then is time-based:

"I sure miss Clinton. Things were a lot better then."

[babylonsister]

22. Thank you! I never had a handle on that, and may not now, but

thanks. I too am a critic, did it once on DU and felt awful, but see FUBARs on CNN and MSNBC a lot!

[Triana]

25. I see those too

I don't have cable and rarely watch TV but sitting at airports, etc. I see them scrolling by on the televisions in the terminals - and in articles in PRINT! I guess it's nitpicky but then it used to be one never saw words misused like that on TV or in magazines or papers. Now it happens all the time. What happened? Are there no editors anymore?

[babylonsister]

27. I have never professed to be that smart, but how about

the words effect vs. affect? Please talk me into the reason why one is used vs. the other!

[seriousstan]

32. Effect is a noun and affect is a verb

[laruemtt]

41. "affect" can be a noun, such as in

"she has a pleasant affect," when speaking of a person's countenance.

[RebelOne]

48. Here the less common meanings for each of those words.

Affect, when used as a noun (pronounced with the accent on the first syllable), is a psychological term for "feeling." Termites display a lack of affect.

Effect, when used as a verb, means achieve or bring about. An exterminator effected the removal of the termites.

[omega minimo]

23. I here ya!

:hi:

[Pierogi_Pincher]

24. The misuse of 'its' and 'it's'....

bugs me. But not on DU. On supposedly professionally designed websites. Specifically, a website dedicated to a 401-K. Duh. They're 'managing' invested $$$$$$$. :crazy:

Additionally, if one more (politishun) person on teevee says "at the end of the day", I will surely :puke:.

Remember, 'i' before 'e' except after 'c'. ;-)

It being tax return time, I am currently not in a favorable mood. Thanx for letting me get out my
ya-yas on this post. :hi:

The Carpathian Pierogi Pincher

:dem:

[babylonsister]

26. Affect vs. effect: thoughts? These words stop me in my tracks. nt

[Emit]

29. I find myself double checking these two all the time

Because they are both verbs and nouns.

Here's my cheat sheet:

Affect and Effect
Meanings for the most common uses:

Affect
1. af•fect (transitive verb)

to produce an effect upon, as a: to produce a material influence upon or alteration in <paralysis affected his limbs> b: to act upon (as a person or a person's mind or feelings) so as to bring about a response; influence

Effect
1. ef•fect (noun)

1a: purport; intent <the effect of their statement was to incite anger> b: basic meaning; essence <her argument had the effect of a plea for justice>
2: something that inevitably follows an antecedent (as a cause or agent) <environmental devastation is one effect of unchecked industrial expansion>
3: an outward sign; appearance <the makeup created the effect of old age on their faces>
4: accomplishment; fulfillment <the effect of years of hard work>
5: power to bring about a result; influence <the content itself of television is therefore less important than its effect>
6 plural: movable property; goods <personal effects>
7a: a distinctive impression <the color gives the effect of being warm> b: the creation of a desired impression <her tears were purely for effect> c (1): something designed to produce a distinctive or desired impression, usually used in plural (2) plural: special effects
8: the quality or state of being operative; operation <the law goes into effect next week>
in effect: in substance; virtually <the committee agreed to what was in effect a reduction in the hourly wage>
to the effect: with the meaning <issued a statement to the effect that he would resign>



Meanings for less common uses:

Affect:
2. af•fect (transitive verb)

1: to make a display of liking or using; cultivate <affect a worldly manner>
2: to put on a pretense of; feign <affect indifference, though deeply hurt>
3. af•fect (noun)

the conscious subjective aspect of an emotion considered apart from bodily changes <he displayed a distressing lack of affect>


Effect
2. ef•fect (transitive verb)

1: to cause to come into being <the citizens were able to effect a change in government policy>
2a: to bring about often by surmounting obstacles; accomplish <effect a settlement of a dispute> b: to put into operation <the duty of the legislature to effect the will of the citizens>
Usage: The confusion of the verbs affect and effect not only is quite common but has a long history. The verb effect was used in place of affect (1, above) as early as 1494 and in place of affect (2, above) as early as 1652. If you think you want to use the verb effect but are not certain, check the definitions here. The noun affect is sometimes mistakenly used for the noun effect. Except when your topic is psychology, you will seldom need the noun affect.

Would you like to try an interactive exercise on using affect and effect correctly?

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_spelprob.html

[babylonsister]

31. Emit, thank you fr explaining that. I still have a 'what the hell' moment

when I have to pick one or the other.

[lady lib]

28. Loose and lose

I might lose my mind when one of my loose screws falls out!

Oh my gosh, I almost wrote "loose my mind."
:)

[theHandpuppet]

37. That one drives me nuts!

I wish I had a dime for each time I've read the phrase "loosing it" here on DU. I'd be sunning myself in the Bahamas right now.

LOSE => LOSING! Not LOOSING!

[Mojorabbit]

33. Bare and bear

those drive me crazy. That being said, I did the here/hear thing myself tonight and immediately had to go back and edit my post.

[lvx35]

34. "websights" are my weakness.

For some reason I always mix up site and sight.

[alittlelark]

35. Hit 'Alert' on anyone that stoopid.

There are a few DUers that are occasionally guilty, but it is likely due to PUI (Posting Under the Influence).

[rman]

36. how about "of" versus "have"

that one always gets me

[theHandpuppet]

38. "That" and "which" always confound me

I suppose this is our turn to ask questions!

[REP]

43. That Which Does Not Kill Us Only Makes Us Stronger

I don't understand your question. That and which can be used together, or separately: How much is THAT doggie in the window? WHICH one?

[RebelOne]

45. Here's a little tip.

Commas, which cut out the fat, go with "which," never with "that."

[REP]

50. That, I'm Afraid to Say, Isn't Strictly So

"That" is a pronoun; "which" is an interrogative pronoun ("which one?") and adjective ("which way the wind blows").

[theHandpuppet]

53. So I guess I'll remain confused.

The rules for "that" and "which" seem terribly convoluted.

[REP]

66. Not Really

Which one? < interrogative pronoun
Depends upon which way you go < adjective
That one there is the I want <pronoun

[REP]

42. "Could Have Gone" not "Could OF Gone"

"Could've" is a contraction of "could have" (and with the past imperfect, it's "gone" not "went.")

"Of" is a preposition, which indicates relation to another word or clause: to, from, with, of, after, for, on etc. "The book of verses" describes a type of book, while "the book have verses" is not grammatical in either expressing that the book contains verses or that it is a book comprised of verses.

[Triana]

57. I saw that used in a poem once

What a great way to ruin a poem. Yikes.

[Libby2]

39. Oh geeze, the definition police.

I know the difference.
Sometimes I make mistakes.
So kill me.

[REP]

44. Actually, Grammar Police or Pedant Patrol

It does make a difference. Using incorrect grammar makes one's writing harder to understand. The assumption that one is such a good writer that one's intent will be obvious despite poor use of language is a dangerous one.

[muriel_volestrangler]

40. 'Dammit'? Or 'Damn it'?

:evilgrin:

[Triana]

54. Damn it, dammit!

:crazy:

[countingbluecars]

46. You hear

with your ear-hEAR. This works for my fourth grade students.

[Niccolo_Macchiavelli]

49. marshall law vs martial law

it's martial law

That's my pet peevee

[Flubadubya]

51. What is your take on "hear, hear" vs. "here, here"...

as in getting everyone's attention? I believe it is "hear, hear" as in the Shakesperean vein of "lend me your ear". In other words, listen up... thus, "hear, hear". Whaddya think, eh?

[Triana]

56. I always thought proper usage was "here, here" but...

...what do I know?

Wasn't "hear" usually used like:

"hear ye, hear ye" ?

:shrug:

[kath]

52. Don't EVEN get me started about the use (actually, MISuse) of the

apostrophe. ARGGGGHHHH!
Seems like maybe 1% of the population knows how to use it properly - not clear why. It's taught in 3rd or 4th grade (or used to be) and seemed pretty straightforward to me at that point.

Our bank has printed signs above some of the drive-through lanes that say "Pick-up's and vans". ACK.

[Triana]

55. Acck!

That's another one that drives my nitpicky, elitist self nuts too. It used to be that we never saw stuff like this, but it seems to be more common now. Even on 'published' material (signs, magazines, television, advertisements, etc.).

:wtf:

[DS1]

58. Were you at? Where hear!

:crazy:

[Callalily]

59. Although annoying

I try not to be too judgmental. I know what it's like to quickly write a post, then later discover grammatical or spelling errors. Very embarrassing but not a crime.

http://www.wsu.edu/%7Ebrians/errors/errors.html

[Gormy Cuss]

61. This sort of thread can be cathartic

without stomping on posters who have less education, learning disabilities, or who just had a brain hiccup. Correcting posters is not necessary as a rule. Sometimes the error clouds the meaning of the post to such a degree that is necessary to point out the mistake and offer a correction.

I hate the short edit window on posts because I've gone back to a thread an hour later and have seen a glaring error in one of my posts and can't fix it.

[Triana]

64. short edit window...

...that bites me sometimes. Needs to be longer. :D

[lady lib]

68. It's frustrating for me, too.

More often than not, I don't notice my mistakes until after I've posted them.

[Triana]

63. Yep. I do it sometimes..

...and then I annoy myself!

[madinmaryland]

60. I here you dude!! So much of that going on hear!!

:evilgrin:

[REP]

67. The Improper Use of the Subjunctive Drives Me Batshit Insane, Too

It's "I wish I WERE" not "I wish I was."

Anytime the subjunctive is used, it's WERE, not WAS!

[In_The_Wind]

69. Good heavens!

:evilgrin: