Once and for all: NASCAR is not a sport

[Squatch]

Poll question: Once and for all: NASCAR is not a sport

Driving around in circles really, really, really fast does not constitue sport any more than me commuting to work in the AM. It's a motor race, not an athletic competition.

If an internal combustion engine is providing the impulse to move your butt, it is not a sport.

[DS1]

1. Anything that occupies rednecks on the weekends is okay with me

:hide:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

2. What if it's this?

[DS1]

4. That would affect me how?

[no name no slogan]

3. It's a sport, just like fishing or bowling is a sport

It's not an athletic sport, like football, but it is still a sport nonetheless.

Not all sports have to be athletic, and not all participants in sports are athletes. They are "sportsmen" (or "sportswomen").

[Squatch]

5. Bowling isn't a sport, either. It's an excuse to drink beer.

[bigwillq]

12. Bowling is a sport too!

:)

[northzax]

17. which is, in and of it

a sport, right? so would that make bowling a gateway sport?

[bigwillq]

6. It's a sport.

By the definition in Webster's, I feel it's considered a sport.

[Squatch]

7. Webster's definition:

"Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively."

Sitting on your ass does not constitute "physical activity"

[bigwillq]

8. Yeah but the thrill, speed and adrenaline

really gets the blood flowing. It's not as easy as it looks to drive those cars.

[Squatch]

10. So does a roll in the hay, but you don't see that on CBS.

[bigwillq]

11. That would be nice

if they did show that! :evilgrin:

[LSK]

21. uhhh those cars have no AC and get well over 100 inside them

[Squatch]

25. And that makes it a sport, how?

Why don't they just roll down the window? :rofl:

(yes, I know they have nets over the windows)

[barb162]

24. this is why I want to know why curling is in the Olympics

I could do all of that sweeping stuff a chair

[Squatch]

26. Will that chair have a V-8 engine attached to it?

[barb162]

50. no, the people shuffle slowly down the line at about 15 ft per hour

most of the time just watching that piece of granite roll.

[ET Awful]

20. Agreed, I guarantee that anyone driving at those speeds for 500 miles

will definitely have to be in good physical shape.

That said, I find it boring as hell :)

[Squatch]

29. Yeah, their right calf muscles must be HUGH!!1!

Pressing the gas pedal for 6 hours can get tiresome.

[johnnie]

9. I wish they would put it in the Olympics

That would be cool. Steering wheels on different sides, driving on the wrong side of the track it would be a hoot.

[jukes]

13. it's pro-wrestling

w/ unmuffled, big-block chevies; hence, not a sport.

[northzax]

14. it's a competition

so I go with motor race.

that's not to demean it, but why are we obsessed with figuring out if it's a sport or not? does the name change the meaning?

[TimeChaser]

15. I don't know,

there's the stereotype that it's a freeper thing (even though some of the biggest fans I know are liberals), so some people feel the need to constantly put it down. :shrug:

[northzax]

16. no, that's not my question

why do the fans feel compelled to make it into a sport, as opposed to a race, or a competition? saying it isn't a sport is taken by some NASCAR fans I know as an insult to the entire NASCAR community. Why so touchy? embrace it!

[Lautremont]

18. Sure it's a sport - it's in the very name:

Non Athletic Sport Centered Around Rednecks.

[LSK]

19. can you get over it already!??!

What do you like?? Lets start a post criticizing it....

[Squatch]

23. I like pizza, I like bagels

I like hot dogs with mustard and beer...

I'll eat eggplant, I could even eat a baby deer! La-la-la-la-la-la-la!

Who's that baby deer on the lawn?

[LSK]

27. how is that a sport thou?

:popcorn:

[Squatch]

28. How's *what* a sport?

You asked me what I like. I told you.

[LSK]

30. eating - i cant believe you are calling that a sport!!!!

:popcorn:

[Squatch]

32. I did? Where?

[LSK]

33. where did anyone call NASCAR a sport?

:popcorn:

[Squatch]

35. LOL.

[underpants]

22. NASCAR is getting the ports deal?

Huh?

[LSK]

31. your whole post is a red herring, nobody is calling it a sport

:popcorn:

[Squatch]

34. Are you reading the same thread I am?

Check out post #6.

What are the three words contained in the subject line?

[LSK]

36. yes but you started the post claiming somebody is calling it a sport

Replies came later as people are trying to defeat your red herring.

[Squatch]

37. Oh, really? You might want to reread the OP again.

I would love for you to show me where I was "claiming somebody is calling it a sport".

[LSK]

38. then who exactly are you talking to?

"Once and for all: NASCAR is not a sport"

What is the point of the thread then?

[Squatch]

39. You do relize that DU contains discussion fora, right?

I state a claim, others respond...or "discuss", if you will, the merits of my claim.

You've been around here long enough to know how it works...:thumbsup:

[LSK]

40. and im stating your claim is a red herring

You almost got me thou.

I voted it as a motor race btw.

[Squatch]

41. By your usage, I presume you know what a red herring is...

beside a fish, that is.

"This fallacy occurs when a rhetorician adapts an argument purporting to establish a particular conclusion and directs it to prove a different conclusion"

I have stated this conclusion: "NASCAR is not a sport"

I have offered support for that conclusion.

I have not attempted to prove another conclusion with the support I provided for the original conclusion.

I would have presented a red herring if I said: "NASCAR is not a sport because A, B, and C. That is why NASCAR fans are fat and dumb."

So, if you would be so kind, and I know you will, please tell me again how my argument is a red herring?

[LSK]

42. "Once and for all: NASCAR is not a sport"

To make this claim would imply that some group is claiming that NASCAR is a sport. But who this group is remains a mystery to me. The way I see it, you are making a false claim and then proceeding to defeat it.

[Squatch]

43. "Once and for all" is not a conclusion, in and of itself.

From those four words, you cannot draw any implications. I may have done years of research on the topic, and finally came to a conclusion. I may just be using those words to strengthen the rhetoric of the subsequent conclusion.

I'm sorry, but this makes absolutely no sense: "The way I see it, you are making a false claim and then proceeding to defeat it."

What "false claim"?

I have *claimed* that NASCAR is not a sport. I then offered my own reasons why I believe that. No statement offered since then by anybody else has been strong enough to convince me that my claim was anything but true.

[LSK]

45. What "false claim"? that NASCAR is a sport

Still wondering who was claiming that.

[Squatch]

46. Who's on first, right?

[LSK]

47. whats on 2nd?

[DS1]

52. Poo crackers

:thumbsup:

[Oeditpus Rex]

44. ...

:popcorn:

[Taverner]

48. It's a sport...just like horse racing or chariot racing

Now I'm not a big fan of it, but I'm not knocking those who like it.

[Blue_Tires]

49. one last time: NASCAR IS A SPORT

It's just not REAL racing!:evilgrin: :nuke:

[BikeWriter]

51. I don't like racing, but it requires the reactions of a cat...

to stay alive through a race, much less win. Yes, it is a sport, but it's a bloody one I have no use for.

[reyd reid reed]

53. It requires skill,

Not to mention stamina and strength. It requires physical preparation and training. They keep score, there are rules and penalties for violating those rules.

Is it a sport? I dunno...honestly, I dunno. But it comes a helluva lot closer than the World Series of Poker.