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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 10:58 PM
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Would it KILL you to use the goddamn spell-checker?
I've been reading an otherwise-excellent book about color correction and sharpening in Photoshop this evening, but have had to grit my teeth each time I see the word "dependant."

Spell-check is free. It only takes a few minutes, even for book-length text. Use it!

Sorry, guys, that's all I can contribute to this evening's discourse.

Redstone
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:00 PM
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1. I'm so sorry, my dear Redstone......
Hope this helps: :hug:
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:01 PM
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2. That's really inexcusable in a printed book
What were they using for editors? 14 year olds from AoL chat rooms?
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:12 PM
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7. I don't think there actually ARE any editors anymore.
Judging from the shocking number of typographical and factual errors in the average book these days.

And I do not think I'm being picky. If someone had the time to compare books from, say the 1970s to books from the year 2000 on, I think the number of errors in the newer books would be enough to give those editors from the 1970s a coronary.

Redstone
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:16 PM
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9. My mom's an editor
:bounce:
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:17 PM
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11. Be sure to ask her what happened between the 70s and now. -NT
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:18 PM
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12. Uh... she had me and stopped smoking weed?
:hide:
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:20 PM
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13. Tell her to kick you out and start smoking weed again.
;)

Tongue firmly in cheek.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:20 PM
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14. And? Tell me more. Does she insist that the authors run their
manuscripts though a basic spell-checker before she edits them?

I'm genuinely interested in your answer to this, and your mom's observations on the general state of editing in the 21st century, if you could pass them along to us...

Redstone
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:27 PM
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17. She politely asks them to and they blow her off
And she thinks editing has declined, and when she sees typos in the New York Times and in supposedly well-written books she's appalled.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 05:39 AM
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21. I am a copy editor and I read and re-edit magazine stories after
the editors are finished with them. You would not believe all the errors that the editors miss.
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SofaKingLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:02 PM
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3. I thought you were talking about posters here.
But a published book? There's no excuse for that BS.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:08 PM
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4. First it was okay
because it was "just a chat room."

Then it was okay because it was "just a message board."

Now, maybe it's okay because it's "just a tech manual."

The dumbing-down of America.

:cry:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:13 PM
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8. how is not relying on a computer to check your spelling
"dumbing down"? Spell check just makes bad spellers look as smart as the rest of us. Its not fair I tell ya. It just ain't fair! (Is their an apostrophe in aint?) :hide:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:21 PM
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15. Yes, there is.
Redstone
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:38 PM
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19. That spell check exists
is part of the dumbing-down, let alone that it too often goes unused or is taken as given.
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 09:55 AM
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34. A-fucking-men, Rex.
:cry: :cry:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:10 PM
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5. maybe they have declared their independance
from spelling rules. Spell check is not totally dependeble. I tried it on DU once and my computer locked up. That may have been when I was still on dial-up.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:17 PM
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10. No, spell-checkers are not 100% dependable. That's why I always use
the two ultimate checking methods on things I write (things I'm getting paid to write, that is; not DU posts):

1) Let someone else read it, and

2) Read it aloud.

But for Christ's sake, if you're going to have your words printed in a book, at least use the damn spell checker.

Redstone
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:34 PM
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18. unless they have gotten better - they are not 100% dependable
for example "Is their an apostrophe in aint?"
Spell checker might not even include ain't in its dictionary, even if I prefer to unprofessionally use it (and in a novel it is totally appropriate to have characters who do not talk like English teachers). Second "their" is not spelled wrong there, but it is not the correct word either.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 06:00 AM
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25. Who cares if they are better are not? If a person is writing, esp.
Edited on Sun Mar-05-06 06:02 AM by Rabrrrrrr
for publication, there is no excuse for not having the spelling checked by yourself, a spell checker, AND an editor, and there is no excuse for typos making it into the final publication.

America is dumbing down - just as Oeditpus Rex said. First it was message boards being okay to be sloppy, then apparently tech manuals, and now it even seems okay in newspapers and books, and pretty soon I'm sure we'll be back to the pre-1800s, when everyone spelled words however they felt like it.

It's just fucking laziness, pure and simple, and a total disrespect for the medium of communication, and a total disrespect for the people with whom one is trying to communicate.
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 09:56 AM
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35. And a total disrespect for the art of writing.
:grr: :grr:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #35
37. Damn straight!
And it pisses me off.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:10 PM
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6. I hate typos in books--makes me want to puke.
:puke:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 07:42 AM
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28. Third world mentality!
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 08:44 AM
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29. I truly have no idea what you meant by that... n/t :)
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 10:18 AM
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36. I mean that it is a very common thing found in third world counties,
or at least the ones I've visited.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 05:28 PM
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38. And that's just what the republicans want us to be - a third world country
because then they can really take over the land, the factories, the businesses, and the government, and turn most of America into the serfs and peasants that those evil fucks need to satiate their greed and egos.

It's the reason they wage war on education and intelligence and intellectualism and critical thinking.

And the truly sad thing is that 90% of America thinks not only that that is okay, but that it is the best way, that it is an excellent way, and they are willingly handing their lives over to what amounts to a satanic ideology.
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TennesseeRain Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:25 PM
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16. As a matter of fact, I think it might.
It just might be the thing that does me in.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 07:18 PM
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42. Somebody had to say it.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 05:37 AM
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20. Believe it or not, but in my American Heritage Dictionary
right after the entry for dependent, it reads "Also dependant." That's why spell checkers don't pick it up.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 05:36 PM
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39. It should be remembered
that dictionaries reflect popular use, not necessarily correct use.

There's a difference between "correct" and "acceptable."

Or should I say "acceptible"?
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 05:43 AM
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22. I try to, But are we evil if spell-checker doesn't pick it up?....
...does that put us on the dark side?..... :shrug:
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DeepGreen Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 05:48 AM
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23. dependant is a variant of dependent
Webster shows dependant as a variant of dependent. So, it is possible
that a spell checker might not catch it. The spell checker for this
message did not.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 08:51 AM
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31. It's not just possible spell-checker won't catch it.
There is no way spell-checker would catch it. It's an actual word.
How on Earth would spell-checker catch it?
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 05:59 AM
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24. what about british vs american spellings ?
through habit I routinely use and abuse the UK version but have no problem reading american spellings, there is sometimes a little difficulty with idioms and the like. US spellcheckers are hopeless when I use them.

Surely the line is crossed when ambiguity creeps in because something is badly phrased or spelled. I'd rather read something that was well written but badly spelled than have a grammatically perfect piece of nonsense.

"Reading maketh a full man, conference maketh a ready man and writing maketh an exact man"
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 06:01 AM
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26. I try, really I do.
:shrug: But sometimes I even confuse spell-check.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 07:09 AM
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27. In a book-no doubt written on a computer-that's inexcusable but.......
.....here on DU I just plain forget sometimes. :shrug: Will try to remember in the future because even I find it's hard trying to read around misspelled words sometimes. :spank:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 08:50 AM
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30. Spell-checker won't get this one, considering dependant is a word.
Edited on Sun Mar-05-06 08:53 AM by lizzy
4 entries found for dependant.
dependant Audio pronunciation of "dependant" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-pndnt)
n.

Variant of dependent.
www.dictionary.com
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 08:55 AM
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32. Yew R eh Esspeleeng Gnat Zee
and I concur
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 09:53 AM
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33. Yes it wood kil mi! Im Dann Kuayl. (nt)
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 05:38 PM
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40. That bugs me to no end, as well
One of my text books for last semester hadn't even had first-round editing, I swear. Drove me freakin' batty. Things like missing punctuation at the end of sentences, words spelled incorrectly (ok, only some, it was a British text), grammar errors. But spelling, especially. Drop the whole damn thing into MS Word if you've got no alternative, and use that. The internet is one thing, a published text is another.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 06:18 PM
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41. Nope. It probably wouldn't kill anyone to use a spell-checker.
But, it might kill you to be getting so wound up over spelling errors.
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