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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:48 PM
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So, if wine freezes would the sugars precipitate separate from the water?
Its a cheap French Beaujoulais that I think is ok, with about 12% EtOH...

In the winter I keep the regularly used table wine in the old milk delivery box. Its little pass through from outside into kitchen. I opened the door this afternoon an this wine had frozen overnight, although the American stuff with 13% EtOH hadn't.

In freezing it had popped its cork, so it's time to thaw it out and have some afternoon wine...and after a glass the wierd thing is I see sediment in the glass, LOTS of sediment. So, being curious I stuck my finger into it and taste it. It's sweet...it seems to be sugar. Anyone have an idea what the heck happened?



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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:53 PM
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1. I thought that cheap French wine contained antifreeze?
Something is wrong....:shrug:
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bucknaked Donating Member (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:57 PM
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3. ahem... don't you mean cheap "freedom" wine?
sorry, couldn't help it. :p
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:58 PM
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5. I stand corrected
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:54 PM
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2. Interesting question
We has some Australian white wine freeze last night and pop the cork too.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:27 PM
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9. Using the porch or some like thing for natural refrigeration?.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:56 AM
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15. You guessed it - It's our winter cooler
Since I don't drink wine I forgot about it, I remember my soda in the garage but not the wine on the porch. The porch gets much colder than the garage - so my soda was fine. They drank the wine anyway with no ill effects.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:58 PM
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4. First time I have ever heard of wine freezing.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:20 PM
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7. I never had it happen before, I've kept wine there in the winter over
several years. But then we haven't had a lot of below zero temps.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:12 PM
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6. You forced me to Google
Quite a bit of information concerning freezing wine. It can be done during 'making' excess tartrates will precipitate.

Cool. What is a tartrate? Sugar is mentioned too. Boy a lot of information concerning making wine. Sure to find an answer there.

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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:25 PM
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8. I'm clueless on tartrates too, but I followed you to google..
Based on that I read I'm guessing that's what I saw.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:35 PM
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10. If a liquid
is over saturated with (sugar) it will have some settling of the solid sugar. I think the colder the fluid the less solid it can hold.

An interesting question. One that might get good informed answers in the 'Science' forum. Try there.

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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:50 PM
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14. Tartrates.
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 07:57 PM by NYC
Cream of tartar (a white powder) is made from grape skins or grape skin residue. That's all I know.

http://www.answers.com/tartrates&r=67
Tartrate crystals These harmless crystals, a by-product of tartaric acid, are possibly alarming to consumers who might mistake them for shards of glass. As a result, winemakers often try to control them through a stabilization process.

Picture of deposit of tartrates on a cork:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.diwinetaste.com/dwt/en2002116.php&h=355&w=360&sz=17&tbnid=MiMK-rIUeInxRM:&tbnh=115&tbnw=117&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtartrates%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:07 PM
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11. You can deliberately freeze wine to concentrate the ETOH
The liquid fraction that remains when the mass of the wine freezes is fairly concentrated.

Indeed, before the invention of distilling, this was the only way it could be done.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:21 PM
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12. yuck - better marinate some meat or make a big batch of
spaghetti - bleh alcohol abuse
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:26 PM
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13. Freeze distillation
Freezing will concentrate the alcohol as it seperates from the water and solids. The resulting brandy will be somewhere around 30% alcohol-it's far from pure after a normal freeze.
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