The Prejudice Map

[MissHoneychurch]

http://blog.outer-court.com/prejudice/

[Wapsie B]

1. We need to have things

fit into neat little packages, don't we? I should say some people anyway.

[MissHoneychurch]

2. some people are just too lazy

than to think for themselves. For some it is easer to live by prejudices than to embrace the notion that our differences make the world a very interesting place. That even with all our differences we still are all from the same race.

[Wapsie B]

3. Yes, it's easy to just live and think

as you've always done rather than getting out and learning about others.

[MissHoneychurch]

5. you might have to change your opinion

about other people and other countries .... how scary :sarcasm:

[Wapsie B]

7. Exactly.

We must live in our comfort zone. The hell with reality. Let's live in an illusion. :sarcasm:

[MissHoneychurch]

19. reality??

you mean there is something out there that is different to my little world? :scared:


:eyes:

[NMMNG]

4. It is human nature to assign labels to people and things.

And having done so, it is a short hop from there to categorizing them as "same" or "different". Whether one considers difference to be inherently good or bad can depend on any number of factors including upbringing, life experience, peer influences, education and personal choices.

Unfortunately we are deeply under the control of a government comprised of people who believe "different=bad".

[MissHoneychurch]

6. and one ought think

that in the U.S. where everybody is mixed race (I mean the ancestors are from different countries) the people are way more open to others.

[Wapsie B]

9. And it's not just skin color.

I remember reading of anti-German speaking laws in the early 20th century in Iowa. Yes we should be more open than that.

[Heidi]

11. The American eugenics movement was in full swing

at that time. Read "War Against the Weak: America's Campaign to Create a Master Race," by Edwin Black. Very, very sad, but well-documented.

www.waragainsttheweak.com

[Wapsie B]

12. I'll check it out.

We really need to teach this stuff in the schools. This can't be papered over like it has been.


Wish I could stay but it's late here. I'll be back. :hug: :loveya:

[NMMNG]

34. Here are some good resources on the Eugenics Movement

Image Archive on the American Eugenics Movement

Eugenics

Menace of Undesirables:
The Eugenics Movement During the Progressive Era>

[NMMNG]

21. I recall the Eugenics Movement well

Stamp out the disabled, the "feeble minded", the "socially undesirable". It makes me sick to think it got so far, and was so accepted. Sadly, up through the sixties and even early 70's it was routine to sterilize developmentally disabled people so they couldn't reproduce and create more of "their kind". I have encountered numerous individuals who had hysterectomies in their teens or early twenties, not for any medical need, but solely to keep them from getting pregnant.

[Heidi]

31. Exactly.

You really should read the book I recommended, gf. It's a sad, hard read, but well worth it.

Also: www.eugenicsarchive.org

[NMMNG]

35. Been there, done that: Read my post #12

:-)

[MissHoneychurch]

15. That is what I mean

I didn't speak of the skin color.

If you ask people where their ancestors came from, you hear all different kinds of countries. People should keep that in mind.

[MissHoneychurch]

23. Germans, Japanese, now muslims

don't forget the Native Americans, the African Americans or the Mexican ... the list is long

[NMMNG]

24. Such slime hasn't ended--it's pouring over into this century

Spanish At School Translates to Suspension. In Kansas, bastion of free thinking, of course. :eyes:

[NMMNG]

17. Too many people forget that

It's all this "We're American, rah rah, down with the immigrants!", and they forget that everyone here is descended from people of some other nation. And IMO, Columbus shouldn't be celebrated for "discovering" America. He didn't discover anything--America was already here and populated. He merely stumbled across it while in search of an entirely different goal. I love that cartoon where the Native Americans see the Pilgrims coming ashore and say to one another (paraphrasing), "We need to come up with a stronger immigration policy".

[MissHoneychurch]

18. exactly

one would think they Americans are a bit more sensitive about that.

[billyskank]

8. We are extremely unclean?

When did this happen? :o

[MissHoneychurch]

16. no idea that

I am amazed it doesn't say "loud beer drinking people and wanting Germany in Spain" about us

[Oeditpus Rex]

10. Kenyans are into metaphors?

I'm there! :woohoo:

[Heidi]

13. Just like the French are into

double entendre and ménage à trois. :spray:

[Oeditpus Rex]

14. Oh, ho ho HO!

[Heidi]

20. Could I interest you in a glahs of chom-pahn-ya?

[MissHoneychurch]

22. no thank you

[Heidi]

25. Come now, my lovely.

It is as though Michaelangelo sculpted you, then kept you for himself. In a closet.

[MissHoneychurch]

27. Rubens is more likely

and I never can compete to such a body

[Heidi]

29. Well, you can't compete with the Davide because

your "party parts" are different. :blush:

[MissHoneychurch]

37. yeah ... true that

but his females mostly look like males with the boobs put on

[Heidi]

38. And their man-boobs are _really_ far apart, too. (nt)

[MissHoneychurch]

39. well, they say he was gay

and therefore a bit more interested in drawing sexy males than females :blush:

[Heidi]

41. Yeah, I've heard that, but I don't believe sexual orientation

would have much influence on one's ability to accurately portray human anatomy. :shrug: I'm straight, and I can paint women a _lot_ more accurately than I can paint men.

[MissHoneychurch]

42. maybe it is easier to draw/paint women

than to sculpture them :shrug:

but then his Pieta is just marvelous. On the other hand, she ain't nekkid

[Oeditpus Rex]

45. For what it's worth

I think Rubens had excellent taste. :thumbsup:

[MissHoneychurch]

47. you put Rubens over Michelangelo???

you are not my friend anymore
























j/k Rubens is good also

[Oeditpus Rex]

49. Not 'over'

I just think Rubens had better taste in women.

[MissHoneychurch]

51. I just hope my butt isn't that bad yet

:rofl:

[Heidi]

52. That looks like a muscular butt to me.

She has a voluptuous body. :shrug:

Botero paints "fat." Rubens painted "voluptuous."

[Oeditpus Rex]

55. I don't think that's so bad

A wee bit too much around the hips and lower abdomen, but otherwise :thumbsup:

[Oeditpus Rex]

26. Can you imagine a song called

"Thank Heaven for Little Girls" being released today? :scared:

[Heidi]

28. Or a book called "Lolita" being published?

Check this out:

http://www.wesh.com/news/6251817/detail.html

[Oeditpus Rex]

30. Oh, jeebus fucking christ

Don't people have anything better to do? :eyes:

[Heidi]

32. It's just more right-wing fear-mongering. (nt)

[Oeditpus Rex]

33. What are they so afraid of?

I really want to know.

[Heidi]

36. I think I know.

But I really don't think those pushing such crap are afraid. I believe they're consolidating power and whipping up public fear as a means of achieving their goals. Go ahead, call me :tinfoilhat:.

[Oeditpus Rex]

40. I don't believe that

I think that's a frequent result of their actions, but I really don't think that's what these grass-roots asshats have in mind when they want to ban books or "save" Terri Schiavo or whatever.

The only thing I've come up with so far is they're afraid to question their faith and its teachings, because to question faith is tantamount to losing it. And without their faith, they have nothing — or so they believe.

And when I say "faith," I mean faith not only in their god, but in their other god, George Asshat W. Fubar Boosh.

But that doesn't explain why they get riled up about books or whatever. What's the connection?

[Heidi]

43. Follow the money and power trail.

Who profits if the people are afraid, bigoted (and ignorant from having not had access to literature)? When people are riled up about "naughty" books or crime or whatever the power-mongerers have decided should be the fear-tool of the moment, their attention is largely diverted from larger societal issues, like poverty, racism, homophobia, etc.

It also seems to me that the US penal system is now part of the military industrial complex. If this were not true, then why aren't we committed to delivering a pound of cure (via treatment and rehab) rather than a pound of flesh (via punishment)?

[Oeditpus Rex]

44. I know, but

I'm saying I don't think that's their motivation or intent — not the "little people." If it's some stay-at-home mom who's all up about banning some book, I think she's afraid of what her god will do to her if her children read it.

But I don't understand why she's compelled to think that. Why would people invent a vengeful god?

[Heidi]

46. I think her mindset and worst fears are being leveraged.

I think a lot of us "little people" are completely unaware of how our prejudices are used against our neighbors, and that for most fundamentalists, fear of a god that is unknowable engenders a fear of the unknown on a more basic, human level. I don't think we "little people" are to blame; I believe many of us are being used.

I might add that a strict, Old Testament "vengeful god" interpretation of the Bible doesn't enrich the reader nearly as much as it enriches the power structure of the church. :shrug:

[Oeditpus Rex]

48. So the 'little people' are unwitting dupes

of the massive Faux Christian-PNAC Conspiracy?

Yeah, I can buy that.

[Heidi]

50. I think they just want to do right,

protect their families and honor their god. It's hard for me to blame them, but I have to remind myself that ignorance is a lifestyle choice. I don't remember which philosopher said it, but: religion, to a great extent, amounts to social control. (And I've got nothin' against religion in general, only against how it's used as a tool for controlling people.)

[Oeditpus Rex]

53. I don't have a problem with 'doing right'

I have a problem with a "right" that serves only certain narrow interests. And we as a nation seem to be giving more and more power and credibility to such interests.

Is it just me, or has this discussion come full circle?

[Heidi]

54. It's not just you.

And I don't think we disagree. :hug:

[Oeditpus Rex]

56. I don't either

I just think we've reached a moot point in the discussion. I can't come up with any more salient points.







In other words, I'm conceding that you think better about this than I do. :blush:

[Heidi]

57. Nah.

You're perhaps a bit less cynical than me, though. I :loveya: for that, my friend.

[Oeditpus Rex]

58. I seem less cynical?

Shit, I musta done somethin' wrong. :shrug: