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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:03 AM
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Do Christian fundamentalists believe in the second coming of Christ?
My husband said something funny today about that. Someone had a bumper sticker that said "Christ is Coming!". He said since Christ wasn't treated so well the first time he was on earth, why the hell would He want to come back here? He never said he was coming back in the Bible. All he said was that He would be with us (in heaven of course) until the end of days. Why do Christians even believe this?
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:04 AM
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1. LOL
Your husband has a good point!
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:06 AM
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2. Probably John the evangelist
Revelation and all that. Either John or Paul. I'd say John.
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:08 AM
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3. yup, Christ is coming back as a gay black muslim
boy are those people in for a load of hell!
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mykpart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:10 AM
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4. Fundies talk a lot about the Rapture.
It's in Matthew chapter 24. "At that time the Sone of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man cxoming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds from one end of the heavens to the other." Matthew 24:30-31.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:11 AM
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5. not only fundies
as in Evangelicals, but also Catholics believe that Christ will return. It's in one of the common prayers of Catholicism, the Nicene Creed:

"He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and His kingdom will have no end."

So yes, pretty much across the board the return of JC is fundamental to the Christians.
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progressiverealist Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:25 AM
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18. Lutherans also
but Lutherans (like me) are just Catholics with no pope and female, married clergy :)
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:12 AM
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6. Revelation is right. MML & John somewhere...
I've read it several times! He's supposed to come back down here and kicks some butts and make a new place for us! All in a nutshell!
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mykpart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:12 AM
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7. Jesus came back to earth
and called the Pope. Only thing was, He was calling collect from Salt Lake City!
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alexwcovington Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:14 AM
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8. Yes. And they proclaim it to the world.
Just check out the main website of any pentecostal sect... they'll have it somewhere in there.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:21 AM
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9. Yes, Millenialism, Pre-Millenialism, etc.
Israel as a nation
War in the Middle East (Armeggedon)
Christ Returns
1000 years of peace
End of world

Or something like that sequence.
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Rushdoony, Ahmanson, millennialists, Christian Reconstructionists, Episcopalian split

By the way, John Rushdooney is the fellow I was trying to think of this morning.

http://www.forerunner.com/revolution/rush.html

Rousas John Rushdoony, born in 1916, the son of Armenian immigrants, was ordained as a minister in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church and distinguished himself as a missionary on the American Indian reservations. One of his early books, The Messianic Character of American Education, was a major influence in the fledgling home school movement in California. During the 1960s, Rushdoony was called upon in court cases as an expert historian on home schooling as a legitimate alternative to public education. Rushdoony was primarily influenced by the teachings of Cornelius Van Til's Presuppositional Apologetics and began to work to restore the historic Christian doctrines of Postmillennialism and Christian Dominion in the church. Not until 1973 with the publication of R. J. Rushdoony's The Institutes of Biblical Law was there an attempt at a Biblical social philosophy that uncompromisingly affirmed the validity of biblical law. Since then over 100 volumes have been published elaborating the details of Calvinistic social philosophy from a "theonomic" perspective. Led by Rushdoony, Gary North, Greg Bahnsen, James Jordan, and Gary Demar, theonomic authors have expounded the Mosaic law with a fullness of application to modern society never before seen in Church history.

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From the Web site http://www.therightchristians.org/archives/000034.html where it says "It's time for the Christian Right to meet the Right Christians

"In large part because of history, most in the Christian Right see the future in millennialism terms. Interpreting Revelation 20 literally, millennialists (or chiliasts) expect Christ to rule on this Earth for a 1000-year period of peace. In contrast, Roman Catholics and Lutherans, among others, are amillennialists who believe that Revelation 20 refers to the present reign of Christ and the saints in heaven to be followed by the Second Coming, the bodily resurrection of the dead and a new heaven and earth."

...

"Rousas John Rushdoony, founder of the Chalcedon Foundation, is often considered the father of American Reconstructionism, but Gary North became a dominant voice of Reconstructionism in the 90's. North founded the Institute for Christian Economics and published prolifically until he became convinced that the Y2K computer problems would create a rapid and radical transfer of power:"

...

"These Reconstructionists and much of the seemingly more moderate Christian Right share a common dream for the future. They want to take us back to a future defined by "laws" contained in writings from the First Millennium BCE. Most of these are contained in three collections: the Book of the Covenant in Exodus 21:1 - 24 :7, the Holiness Code usually defined to include Leviticus 17-25 and the Deuteronomic "reforms" of Deuteronomy 14-19."

Would many share these dreams of going back to the Late Bronze or early Iron Age if they were aware of the agenda of the Reconstructionists and those in the Christian Right who push for the enactment of legislation that they claim reflects biblical commandments? It's doubtful. More likely, the many people in our culture who are frightened by the pace of technological, economic and social change may seek comfort in dreaming of a partial return to "old-fashioned family values," where lines of authority within the family were clearer if not fairer than they are today. This is the constituency most easily seduced by the reactionary patriarchialists of the Christian Right. These are the people who need to hear alternative dreams of a future where they and their families will be safe, valued and productive members of a supportive community."



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The Christian Right Funding Episcopalian Split

A "former" Christian Reconstructionist with ties to the Institute on Religion and Democracy is funding the October 7 meeting of conservative Episcopalians upset about their general convention's confirmation of noncelibate homosexual Gene Robinson as bishop. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that Howard Ahmanson has provided $200,000 to the American Anglican Council which is at the forefront of efforts to create a schismatic parallel Episcopal church body.

Ahmanson is connected with everything from the California recall effort to computerized voting machine companies. He had been a big contributor to John Rushdoony's Chalcedon Foundation until his wife joined the board of the Institute on Religion and Democracy. It was the Institute on Religion and Democracy that used Fred Barnes of The Weekly Standard to perpretrate last-minute smears against Robinson in a failed attempt to block his confirmation.

Ahmanson joins his fellow western Pennsylvanian, Richard Mellon Scaife, as a supporter of the Institute on Religion and Democracy. Scaife's contributions to Christian concord have been chronicled on this site here.

Update:
Thanks to a reader for correcting the information that Ahmanson has roots in western PA. He is, in fact, a Californian.

Posted by Allen at September 23, 2003 10:33 AM | TrackBack

http://www.therightchristians.org/archives/000034.html

Howard Fieldsted Ahmanson Jr.-- His family did not start Home Savings but his father did acquire it in the late 30s or early 40s. Jr is the male version of Barbara Hutton - "the poor little rich girl" -- The chauffer drove him to school in the limo. Ahmanson Sr died when Jr was 18 and he took it very hard -- possibly had a nervous breakdown along with hospitalization. He bopped around the country while in college in an old van. He became "born again" at about age 22. As the story goes he became very frustrated when "Christians" learned of his wealth and tried to get him fund various missionary activities by telling him that the "blood of the unsaved was on his hands if he didn't" He promptly became a Calvinist. He fell into the grips of R. J. Rusdoony and a member of the Board of Chalcedon on which he served for almost 35 five years. In 1988 he began funding "Christian" candidates for public office in California and by 1992 formed the Capital Commonweath group which became the Allied Business PAC. The PAC only had five members -- EDWARD ATSINGER, JR., Salem Communications owners of 50 or so Xian radio stations, ROB HURTT, JR., president of Container Supply Co. in Orange Co CA., ROLAND HINZ, publisher of MotoCross and Dirt Bike magazines, RICHARD RIDDLE, an import export dealer and of course Ahmanson.
In 1992 the PAC ran 21 candidates in the Republican primary for the CA legislature and 14 won the Republican nomination for their district.
Only 8 made it to the legislature. But by 1994 the PAC did help the Republicans gain control of the CA Assembly and oust Willie Brown as Assembly Speaker.

The PAC became the California Business PAC.

Their power has diminished and the men have not put as much money into CA legislative races.

Ahmanson has over the years contributed money to anti-gay initiatives in CO and CA but declined to contribute to Prop 9 in Oregon because he considered it mean spirited.

He has been a major source of money behind the so-called "Intelligent Design" movement.

Since leaving he board of Calcedon he sits on board of the virulently anti-gay Claremont Institute.

Ahmanson is fluent in 5 languages including Japanese.

In an interview in the mid80s in the Orange County Register, Ahmanson said he wanted to use his fortune to see that we had Biblical Law integrated into our everyday lives. I have seen nothing in the intervening years that he has changed that as his goal.


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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:26 AM
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10. Interesting. I copied this to my hard disk.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:29 AM
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11. They don't believe in coming at all & this explains so much.
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:39 AM
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12. The Last Trumpet
http://www.geocities.com/~lasttrumpet /
This is heavy reading but has a lot of good information and links
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:45 AM
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13. Virtually all Christians...
believe in the Second Coming. What they believe about it, though, isn't all that clear.

Few actually believe in the literal interpretation of Revelation, or the other mentions of Christ's return. It seems that every generation for 2,000 years has had someone who calculated the exact date of the return, and every one of them has been wrong. As are the ones out there now raising red bulls.

Most churches accept much of the story of the return as largely allegorical and actually talking about the spread of the faith. Resurrection is a big feature of Christianity, and it is mentioned in many contexts, often symbolically. Much of Revelation is actually supposed to be written in some sort of code that the early churches, afraid of Roman oppression, would be able to interpret. Vast amounts of it are known to be directed at the early churches as simply instructions to get them back to spiritual purity. These instructions are valid today, and so Revelation is in the canon.

These mainstream churches accept the concept of the Millennium and the return, but have no idea when or how it will happen. It's the sort of thing that they will deal with if and when it happens. Meanwhile, it's a very low priority.



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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:50 AM
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14. Donkeys talk, people fly ...
Man named Jesus in the sky.
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:34 AM
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15. Of course, if he comes back...
he's gonna be run out of town for being a long-haired, peace-loving, give-all-your-money-away-and-help-the-poor-and-sick hippie by all those fundamentalists.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 09:27 AM
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16. "Jesus is Coming: Look Busy"
"Jesus is Coming: Look Busy" That's the bumpersticker we have in our church library.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 09:49 AM
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17. Yeah, He's coming back alright- except this time he's REALLY PISSED! n/t
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