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Cathyclysmic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:40 PM
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History buffs...a question......
So a coworker of mine(please reference past posts about this particular coworker's mental state) Said that the term 'Black Irish' comes from when the Vikings invaded and joined the gene pool. I said, no, it's a term that describes when the Romans invaded and entered the gene pool.

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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:49 PM
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1. Then there's the theory..
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 01:50 PM by ZombyWoof
That is was because of the Spanish infusion, circa the Armada days...

And the theory that it was due to the Irish emigration to the U.S. due to 'The Black Blight' of 1847.

Lots of conflicting theories. For more on the latter theory, here is an excerpt from http://www.darkfiber.com/blackirish /


>>At no time in the essay do I claim to know the origin of the term "Black Irish".
this essay is about what the "Black Irish" are -NOT-, ie, the Black Irish are NOT of spanish descent from Armada survivors, and the reasons why the Black Irish are not of spanish descent from Armada survivors.

However, given recent readings and investigations, i will now hazard a theory on the origin of the term "Black Irish":
that its origin lies in borrowing the color of the reason for the flood of Irish immigrants into the USA in the 19th-century - flight from the Black Blight - the Potato Famine of Black '47, a memory seared into the consciousness of the expatriate Irish who survived in America.

-snip-
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:22 PM
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11. That's the one I'm most familiar with
After all, wasn't the first PM of the modern Irish Republic Eamonn de Valera (sp)? That's a Spanish name if there ever was one. Not to mention the large Celtic population in Galicia, where bagpipes are heard more often than guitars. There are a lot of Spaniards of Irish descent, too. Instead of going to America or Australia, many of them migrated to Castille in the 1800s.

And don't even get me started on the Irish in Latin America. After all, the founding father of Chile was Bernardo O'Higgins, the illegitimate son of an Irish admiral.
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trackfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:11 PM
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2. Google: "black irish" "celtiberians"
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Cathyclysmic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:24 PM
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3. I'm at work...can you drop a hint
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trackfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:59 PM
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12. I think it runs, basically like this:
The wave of Celtic speaking peoples spread across Western Europe. One branch ends up in Ireland. These are "light" peoples. Another branch goes to Iberia where they combine with the native "dark" population, whom we would call Basques. Some of these migrate to Ireland and recombine with their partial relatives, or at least live adjacent to them, and use a Celtic language.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:14 PM
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13. That's correct, the basques mixed in with the irish... it's the spanish
blood that went towards the 'black irish..."
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:28 PM
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4. why the heck would it be the Vikings?
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 02:29 PM by nickinSTL
Vikings tended to be blond or red-haired, and fair...black?

The dark hair in black Irish most probably had NOTHING to do with the Vikings.

on edit: unless your coworker is saying that the Vikings referred to the native, darker Celts (? darker? not sure that's true, but might be the idea?) as black?
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Cathyclysmic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:58 PM
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6. Exactly my point
my coworker is a nutjob
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:18 PM
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9. ah...
THAT I understand! :D
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:34 PM
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5. Here's some info for ys:
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Cathyclysmic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:59 PM
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7. thanks...
you sound cute
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:12 PM
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8. Yeah, that's what my wife says.
:P
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:21 PM
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10. Uh, no, Vikings = red hair
Actually it's thought that the Vikings added red hair to the Irish gene pool. Also, the Romans never invaded Ireland and so had no impact on the gene pool. My father, who was black Irish and whose father and mother came from the west of Ireland, said that family stories claimed Spanish sailors from the Armada were responsible for the "blackness" in Irish families. Me, I'm red Irish just like my mom.
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Magrittes Pipe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:02 PM
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14. What, like Phil Lynott?
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Cathyclysmic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:11 AM
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15. ha!
Did the Beast Man put you up to that? He threatened to post a pic of Phil. :hi:
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