"Star Trek is Dead. Star Gate is the next big thing"

[GreenPartyVoter]

Another gem from my bil. :rofl:

[democracyindanger]

1. How can you even understand what he says

with his head up his butt?

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. *lol* I don't know. I can't make him udnerstand that ST went so

much deeper in its plots. StarGate is cool and fun but I just don't feel it has the depth or vision the Great Bird had with Trek.

[hyphenate]

4. Again

That's the original series. In the current world, Stargate offers a well intentioned ride into the imagination without trying to make itself into something it's not.

[hyphenate]

5. Dupe!

Hit the button twice!

[hyphenate]

3. Er

I pretty much agree with that as it stands now. TOS was great, TNG was wonderful and DS9 was superb. But Voyager and Enterprise sucked pondwater.

At least Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis have a lot going for them, including the ability to not take themselves so seriously that they grow too full of themselves.

That's what happened to B5--when you have a snotty megalomaniac running a show, it tends to make it smell. Too many of the producers of high-falutin' SF shows tend to have a lot of hubris and a lot of arrogance. At least the team which puts together both of the Stargate series are more human, more humble and more able to laugh at themselves, and question themselves, without putting themselves above their audiences.

[GreenPartyVoter]

7. But if what you are saying is true, then StarGate will fall victim to

its own success as well.

I still want to see a ST Fleet Academy show, but as you say the right people would have to handle it.

[hyphenate]

19. Maybe

but I don't think so. It doesn't take itself so seriously that it will alienate its audience.

As far as a Starfleet Academy is concerned, I doubt if it will ever happen, though I would like it to as well. 20 years ago, Harve Bennett wanted to do it, and even then it never happened.

[GreenPartyVoter]

28. Here's what we do, then. We start a fan-fiction archive for Academy

stories and when we have enough gems built up maybe someone will want to work in that little world.

We have screenwriters here on DU as well as novelists. I bet we could do it and make a decent go of the story-telling. The big trouble comes in pitching it to TPTB.

[ProfessorGAC]

30. I Don't Want To Go Backward

I wouldn't be that interested in an Academy driven show. I would prefer they take a huge leap forward in time, and pick up into deeper space exploration. Maybe even intergalactic. It would have the exploratory nature of STC and STNG. I'd like that.
The Professor

[GreenPartyVoter]

33. Maybe they could do both. Cover the ship out exploring and the family left

at home.. wherever home might be?

[JVS]

6. No no no, ze next big thing is ze Fargate.

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. *lol*

[JVS]

12. Jah, you know I am right!

[baldguy]

8. BSG is the new Big Thing

Hell SG1 is even starting to have sucky spinoffs.

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. Star Gate never really grabbed me any more than that DSV submarine show

And I keep forgetting to watch BSG. I liked the mini-movie all right, though being old enough to recall the first go-round it was a bit disconcerting.

[ContraBass Black]

16. I liked SeaQuest.

[hyphenate]

20. I dislike the new BSG intensely

It's fraught with so much melodramatic bullshit, it's not even worth my watching. At least Stargate keeps an element of levity which it uses to its best advantage.

[Rabrrrrrr]

11. Oh, sweet Jesus, the stupid asshole things that ignorant posers will say.

I laugh at that idiot!

[mainegreen]

13. I always preferred Babylon 5

if I had to pick one.

[GreenPartyVoter]

15. Never got into that one either. I guess I just love the Trek universe

and it's vision too much. In fact I didn't care for DS9 all that much because it felt to me like it wanted to be B5.

[petronius]

18. Didn't DS9 come before B5?

Either way, I couldn't get into B5 either - but I absolutely love DS9.

For B5, I watched a few episodes, but it just seemed like they were trying too hard to be 'hip', with these gratuitous references to events that were current when the show was being produced. And the final straw for me (as trivial as it is) was the automatic doors that opened up - you just know someone is going to get their head crushed! I couldn't get past that...

[hyphenate]

21. They were both created close to each other

I liked both, but I liked DS9 more. It wasn't as pretentious as B5. And after I got to know the creator of B5 more, I realised that he was an asshole and the show suffered from his arrogance. At least DS9 had something more going for it--it had great writers. That's plural--writers. The producer didn't try to write the entire series on his own. It helped give the show enough diversity to make up for a limited view.

[petronius]

23. Pretentious - that's a good word

I saw the JMS guy (or one of the B5 developers, anyway) at a Trek convention before the show came out - he made it clear that B5 was the future of SF and anyone who'd failed to understand that was an ass...

[hyphenate]

24. Yeah

that pretty much pegs him. We had invited him to our convention back in 1997 and 1998 and he backed down twice, and made us look like fools. An artist friend of mine thought he was the most bizarre guy in the world at the 1996 WorldCon because for some reason he wouldn't go near my friend when they both were on stage for winning Hugos that year. Straczynski actually seemed afraid of Bob, my friend. Bob is hardly the scariest guy in the world, except for his long hair at the time.

As a result of his last minute fucking with my schedule for the conventions, I lost a lot of personal money as a result. There are more stories, but the point is, there is a very thin line between genius and madness, and Strac crossed that line a long time ago.

[Democrats_win]

14. OMG! Star Gate was supposed to be the next Star Wars. It wasn't

It was still a good movie with a good soundtrack, but the series was never on network TV. Star Trek was on NBC.

[CatholicEdHead]

17. Not quite

BG is the best of SciFi Friday. Neither SG1 or Atlantis are extremely outstanding. They are decent, but often do not have compelling storylines.

[hyphenate]

27. I respectfully disagree

because I think BSG is trying very hard to be something it's not. It's trying to BE the "best SF" on TV, and it's failing in that task for the same reason B5 failed. It tries to be more important than what it really is. And that is a sign of failure.

Stargate doesn't try to do that--its aim has always been, first and foremost, to entertain. It deals with change in ways that presume change is right, normal and standard, and it takes itself far less seriously to the point where it can relate to its audience in a more facile manner. It doesn't pretend to be anything stupendous, it doesn't pretend to be the "next great thing" and it manages to mix a very healthy dose of winking and nodding to its audience. It adds humor to many of its episodes like the original ST did, and still manages to tell a compelling story....if you haven't followed the series, though, there is a possibility you will miss that. Almost every episode, standalone or story arc, contains just enough background to add to the series and its history and maintain a coherent universe.

[Dukkha]

22. Stargate is like Walker Texas Ranger in the future

It just seems to have no purpose at all

[xmas74]

25. WTF!

No way it competes w/ Trek.

[Cannikin]

26. Trek will never die. Its just taking a power-nap

Battlestar Galactica could give all of them a run for their money.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

29. Uh-huh. Yeah.

Give me Sci Fi that makes me think. I've grown up and want some intelligent science ficiton, not "ooohh...pretty 'splosions!" week after week.

[m_welby]

31. star trek is dead, stargate is on life support

and just to stir it up a little more...

Dr. Who was doing more intelligent (and fun) sci fi 5 years before anyone even heard of gene roddenbery, and y'know what, the latest Doctor is still more fun than any of the crap that passes for sci fi on friday nights in this country.

LOL

[GreenPartyVoter]

32. Never got into Dr. Who really, either.. though I admit I thought the

Tardis was a cool idea. And the scarf.

[m_welby]

34. actually the coolest concept

was creating a way to replace the lead character with a new actor when he left the show. There have been 9 Doctors since '63 (#10 is filming a series now).

BTW the one with the scarf was #4

[GreenPartyVoter]

35. Yes, that was a very clever trick of writing. :^)