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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:21 AM
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New Irish Head Coach Charlie Weis is a Dick.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep20.ht...

Irish needn't feel sorry for failing to win for Charlie

----......according to Weis' own account of what he told his players, I can't imagine a college football coach sending a more discouraging message to his team and to the young athletes of this country.

"I told them, 'You don't get any medals for trying,'" said Weis. "I'm never gonna be content with a comeback when we end up losing. ...

"It's not OK."

Really? THAT'S what you a tell a bunch of 18- to 22-year-old student athletes who have just left their heart and soul on the field? That because they lost by three points in overtime, they should hang their heads?----

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:27 AM
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1. How about a coach who understands the overtime rules?
you get the ball at the 25 and you can get first downs. You should treat it as a short drive not just hucking the ball into the end zone and then kicking (fingers crossed) a FG and then assuming that because you are Notre Dame the other team isn't going to TRY to score a touchdown, they will only kick a field goal and give you another chance.

How about that you crew cutted fat slob?

Sorry I HATE watching OT games like that, especially when my team loses.
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:43 AM
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2. He's a football coach, not a guidance counselor....
What would you rather have him do? Sit his team down and say "Nice effort kiddos. DOn't be upset that you lost. It's the effort I'm interested in. As long as you try hard, I won't care if we win or lose."??? I don't buy it. His job is to prepare the sports team and to motivate them to win. It's not to run a self-esteem clinic.

Besides, you make it sound as though these kids can't handle a little criticism. THey're College Athletes, not 4th graders. I woulnd't say that to a grade school or even a high school athlete, but these kids recieve big money scholarships to play on a VERY visible sports team. THey can handle the critique. In the real world, when you do your job in an unsatisfactory manner, someone tells you.

I seriously don't see the problem with this.
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:15 AM
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3. Roepers sums it up for me.
It would have showed much more class if Weis had said:

"I told my guys that each of them deserves a medal for trying. That was a tremendous effort, and I've never been more proud of a group of young men. I'll never be satisfied with a loss and neither should they, but we will learn from the experience and we will build on it. It's a shame any team had to lose, but this was a great college football game and everybody should have their heads up."
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youspeakmylanguage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:10 PM
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14. He can include that in his "resignation" letter or statement...
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 01:16 PM by youspeakmylanguage
...if his team continues to lose.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:51 PM
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4. That's because it's what Notre Dame fans want to hear
If you think Weis is a dick, the Irish fans are ten times worse.
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:54 PM
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5. What about Rudy?
He wasn't a total success, he wasn't even good enough to start. Yet Irish fans put him on a pedestal.

How do they explain that?
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:57 PM
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7. For the Irish fan, "Rudy" is more about......
....isn't it nice the greatest college sports team of all time gave some runt a spot on the team....and he didn't f*** up.
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:59 PM
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8. I thought maybe they just liked hobbits or something.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:56 PM
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6. Hey, if ND doesn't want him, the Pats'll take him back.
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:18 PM
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25. The Vikings could use a new coach.............keep bitching please.
lol
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:44 PM
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30. I know, right?
I heard they were having trouble finding a new offensive genius...Weis fits the bill perfectly.
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:46 PM
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32. Damn right.
My dream would be that ungrateful ND fans with an unfounded sense of entitlement would rag on CW so bad that when the Vikings offer him head coach paychecks, he would leave that overrated shithole and join a real squad that would appreciate him.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:59 PM
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9. Awww, did the wittle holier than the rest of the students on
a sports scholarship get their feelings hurt?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:01 PM
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10. These students are adults and hope to become pros, why pull punches?
They are old enough to be told that their personal best might not be good enough
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:05 PM
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11. But the Irish 'did' play well enough to win.
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 01:07 PM by XNASA
They played phenomenally in the 4th quarter. They just came out on the wrong end of the score is all.

I'm not gonna tell my sons that they're failures if they carry a 'B' average. What's the point?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:12 PM
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15. They fucked up, they lost, they should have been able to beat MSU...
They failed to deliver results, and they proved that they were not as good as their ranking. If they played well in the 4th, it only underscores how shittily they had been playing in the other quarters, because they still lost. What they did in the first 3 quarters must have been pure shit if the "phenomenal" play of the 4th quarter was not enough to ensure victory.

:party: YES!!!! :party:
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:25 PM
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17. Using that logic, no team is entitled to win the National Championship...
...unless they go undefeated.

Right?

I mean, if they were beaten, then we must deduce that they were not the best team in the country. Makes sense.
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youspeakmylanguage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:34 PM
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19. If the season consisted of one game, or a series of eliminations...
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 01:39 PM by youspeakmylanguage
...like the playoffs, then that would make sense. But even with a series of elimination rounds, each team is not fairly matched against every other team. Based on the seasonal system that the NCAA has established, it makes sense that the team that wins the most games against the worthiest opponents, among other factors, should be ranked the best. On the college level they determine who the best two teams are and pit them against each other for the championship at the end of the season. Therefore if a coach of a highly-ranked team loses a significant game, then his team is diminished, no matter how well they played during the actual game.

This may sound elementary, but if you ask a question like that, you're going to get an elementary answer in return.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:51 PM
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20. I don't see where you get that from
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 02:46 PM by JVS
If there are 4 teams and each plays each other twice and the results are

Team 1: 5W-1L
Team 2: 3W-3L
Team 3: 2W-4L
Team 4: 2W-4L

Team 1 is clearly the best, even if they lost once to team 2
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:56 PM
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21. Yes but...they don't give medals, or in this case trophies....
...for losing. At all. No questions asked. If you lose, you don't get a medal. Ask Coach Weis.

Of course we all realize that's horsehockey. And that's my point. It's possible to learn from losing. It's possible to become a better player, team, or even person...from learning from your mistakes. And if you learn enough from it...one day....you might even get a medal.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:59 PM
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22. You don't get trophies for games you lose, they're for the ones you win
It's possible to learn from mistakes, but it is better to make those mistakes in practice and learn there.
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:05 PM
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23. So the team with the least amount of mistakes, always wins?
The team that plays better, always comes out on top of the box score?

Luck has nothing at all to do with it?

Personally, I'd rather play well and lose, than play badly and win.

But that's just me. They can take their medals and trophies and stick them up their ass.
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youspeakmylanguage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:16 PM
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24. That's why they're athletes and coaches and you do something else...
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 02:26 PM by youspeakmylanguage
...for a living - something that obviously doesn't depend on winning. If I were your boss and depended on you to reach a sales goal or win a majority of some sort of market share and you came up short, I wouldn't care how great you were in the run-up. I'm not saying that's good or bad, but that's how a large part of the grown-up world works, especially if you're being paid a huge salary or given a golden opportunity - great things are expected of you. Why can't you just admit that it's a sub-culture that you don't understand and move on?

I think a huge problem with our country and culture is the expectation and tolerance of great rewards with minimal risk for a certain class of professionals. If you're a CEO, a professional coach, or, more importantly, a politican, the results of your work should match your compensation. Otherwise you're an overpaid chair warmer.
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:24 PM
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26. I understand it all right.
And I'm saying it's wrong.
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youspeakmylanguage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:29 PM
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27. Which, again, is why you aren't a professional coach. (n/t)
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:33 PM
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28. You say that like being a professional coach actually means anything.
It's a game.
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youspeakmylanguage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:45 PM
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31. It means a big salary, excitement and public acclaim, and...
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 02:57 PM by youspeakmylanguage
...the opportunity to possibly become a NFL coach with an even larger salary, more excitement and even more acclaim. So while that doesn't mean much in a cosmic or historical sense, it makes for a pretty comfortable and exciting life.

This is all the superficial stuff to most coaches, though. Most of them simply love the game and they want to excel and win on whatever level they're coaching. But even if the coach is at some backwater college he isn't going to settle for second best and have the team hold hands and sing "Kumbaya" when they lose.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:05 PM
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12. Well it sucks to be him... GO MSU!!! woo hooo!!!
watched that game...it was a nail biter
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youspeakmylanguage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:07 PM
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13. You're completely off base...
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 01:16 PM by youspeakmylanguage
This is college football. This isn't Little League. Both the coaching staff and the players themselves are adults and their future careers depend on winning - it doesn't matter how much effort they put into the process if they still end up losing. The coach has to win to keep his job and the players have to win if they want to be considered for the NFL. The university depends on the team winning to keep a significant portion of the contributing alumni happy. This is why a college football coach makes a six-figure salary and most of the players are receiving a college education worth 5 to 6 figures - the coach and by extension the players are under intense pressure to produce winning results which they, theoretically, are the most qualified to provide.

These same rules don't necessarily apply to other professions or internships, so it's pointless to try and morally or civilly them.
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:19 PM
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16. Patrick Ewing, Ernie Banks, Archie Manning, Ted Williams....
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 01:23 PM by XNASA
Failures all. :eyes:
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youspeakmylanguage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:30 PM
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18. Not quite...
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 01:32 PM by youspeakmylanguage
Did all of those players come from college or minor-league teams that had losing seasons? Or are you referrering to the fact that they never won a professional championship?

Either way, those players became famous because they won games, not because they lost them. Also, I don't remember this coach singling out a specific player or players - he blamed his team as a whole.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:35 PM
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29. No, he's a Chuck.
I'll be here all week, tip your waitresses.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:00 AM
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34. Let's play the name game!
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:47 PM
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33. sadly, he's right
this ain't some dirtwater country high school here...winning is everything in big-time college football---NO excuses
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