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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 11:33 AM
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Study shows many later Seinfeld episodes not actually funny
Researchers at the KurtNYC Institute for Media Studies have confirmed what many had suspected since the late 1990s -- many of the later episodes of Seinfeld were not funny.

Professor Kurt Kurtovsky says, "while the early episodes are uniformly brimming with dry humor, situations and physical comedy, the later episodes follow a simple formula which does not always bear fruit."

In the formula episodes, a phrase is introduced early in the show: man-hands, re-gifter, double-dip, master of one's domain. The phrase gets used as often as possible during the show. This is akin to the comedy practised by boys in the 2nd grade. It may be barely funny but the more they repeat it the more funny it seems, at least to them.

Many Seinfeld researchers have focused on the Yadda Yadda Yadda episode as being the breaking point. The show had become a shadow of its former self and tried desperately to recapture its edginess, yet what came forth were awkward exchanges like this one:

Tim: You have no idea what my people have been through.
Jerry: The Jews or the Dentists?
Tim: The dentists! Did you know that we have the highest suicide rate of any profession?
Jerry: Is that why it's so hard to get an appointment?


Suicide jokes?!

Yet audiences laughed to the bitter end - how is that possible?

"Sense memory propelled the laughs. The audience became conditioned to laughing when the phrase of the week was repeated. Researchers believe they have found the true purpose of the Seinfeld plucked bass guitar riffs that happen between scenes. It was Pavlovian. In place of Pavlov's bell, Seinfeld uses a bass riff and people laugh on cue like the trigger in hypnosis. The legacy of this phenomenon is that well-meaning people to this day try to get their friends to laugh merely by adding 'yadda yadda yadda' to a sentence."

http://epguides.com/Seinfeld/



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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 11:34 AM
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1. I thought it was hilarious up until the final episode. It was genius!
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 11:47 AM
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3. Agreed
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 11:46 AM
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2. Uh-oh...
This research confirms my hypothesis. Nonetheless, I'm zipping up the flameproof suit just in case...
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commander bunnypants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 11:49 AM
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4. I am with ya.
I never found anything funny about the show
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 11:50 AM
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5. Why study? EVERY sitcom series I've seen is crap by its final season.
:dunce:

Writers run out of ideas and/or bury the series into the ground by reusing old concepts.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 12:44 PM
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13. The problem with comedy...
I can't watch any Sit Com (other than "The Simpsons" -- and I'm not sure if it qualifies as a Sit Com) for more than a couple of seasons. I think the reason is that the characters never evolve, as they might in a movie. The comedic elements arise from the characters' reaction to a specific situation -- but because the situation changes from week to week, the characters remain static.

The formula of the situation comedy requires the character to make the same mistakes over and over again (Jerry and his love life; George and his career). After a while, it all becomes predictable. I loved "Will & Grace" for the first couple of seasons, but haven't seen it for a couple of years.

One of the benefits of reruns on cable is that a lot of these episodes are "new to me" when I finally get around to watching them. And because I haven't seen the show for a while, I find them more funny than if I had been watching every week.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 12:53 PM
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15. You're right
The one character that evolves sort of is Kramer. The writers took him from quirky and energetic to full-blown insane. It changed the dynamics of the show. Eg. Kramer installs a screen door and has imaginary fights with the neighbor kids. Kramer buys the set of the Merv Griffin show and lives out his talk-show fantasies. Kramer butters himself and then cooks in the sun until Newman wants to eat him. That seems to try way too hard for a show "about nothing." far better I think was the Kavorka episode.
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 11:52 AM
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6. Two Words: Flawed Study
That show was the funniest thing around for quite some time. I wasn't a fan of the last episode either, but the show was damn clever up until then.
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 11:52 AM
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7. NOTHING is funny after you study it to death.
Take any movie or show supposed to be funny and relentlessly pick it apart and dissect it, and I guarantee it will cease to be funny.

If you thought it was funny when you first watched it, then it was funny, IMHO!
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dissent1977 Donating Member (795 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 12:15 PM
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8. What kind of "study" is this?
I might be one of the few people who never liked Seinfeld, but I have to wonder about this study nonetheless. How the hell do you do a scientific study to prove something is funny? Isn't that merely an opinion that can never be objectively studied? This is just a joke.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 12:21 PM
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9. This study was obviously conducted by people with no sense of humour
Disregard it.
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 12:23 PM
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10. Anyway
What's wrong with jokes about suicide?
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 12:28 PM
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11. I declare shenanigans!
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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 12:40 PM
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12. The last two seasons trailed off a little bit
After Larry David left the show.

I think that he was the funniest person involved with that show.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 12:46 PM
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14. Huh. I liked the later episodes MORE than the early ones.
Then again, I liked Mike better than Joel (The eternal Mystery Science Theatre 3000 debate still rages....)
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 12:54 PM
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16. i loved all of them
Edited on Mon Aug-01-05 12:55 PM by dajoki
wtf, a study ain't gonna tell me what i think is funny!!:rofl:
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