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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:53 PM
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I was just suspended for "pulling my pants down" - ???
I returned to my overnight job tonight (TV engineering job) to discover I was off the work schedule. One of the bosses in attendance pulled me aside and told me something that floored me. He claimed that two people on two different occasions had seen me "pulling my pants down." They had inferred that I was doing something sexually inappropriate.

To begin with, I don't have the time to do anything sexual. I barely have time for bathroom breaks. For another thing, I am bothered by the fact that someone would see this and, instead of mentioning it to me, they'd complain to a boss. This is far more important than my statement that I don't do inappropriate things.

This was combined with another complaint about me (which is work related, but which other people can testify is not my fault) and the result was a suspension...with pay. I expect to have to go in some time in the next day or so and repeat my personal defense.

Sorry to clog the forum with this, but I just find it incredible that this would happen.
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:54 PM
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1. so the obvious question is
....did you pull your pants down?
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:55 PM
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2. No, I did not.
I admit to pulling my pants UP. I have lost weight recently, and my pants slip. Perhaps I should start wearing suspenders?
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:57 PM
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3. can you find out who did this to you?
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:07 PM
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7. No, and I understand why.
If I really WAS a sexual harasser, I might wish to take vengeance on whoever did this to me. So of course they remain anonymous.

However, I did tell my boss that I would be glad to explain the situation to anyone who complained against me, and if I had done anything to offend them, would apologize in person.

This is the first time I have ever been accused of anything like this, in over 20 years of employment. The thing that shocks me is that this happened when I returned from vacation, without any indication that this sort of thing was to have happened.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:14 PM
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13. How far down do these pants slip?
Maybe it's time to buy new pants. I am just saying...
:)
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:15 PM
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14. Not to be gross...
...but (since you lost weight and all) is it possible your butt crack might've been hanging out your pants when you bent over or something?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:16 PM
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16. Yep, nobody wants to see butt cracks at work.
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 10:18 PM by lizzy
Maybe your coworker confused your loose pants with you pulling them down?
If so, buy appropriate size pants.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:18 PM
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18. In fact, I haven't bought pants, and need to.
I have not bought any clothes for myself in the last year or so. And I have been walking and have lost weight. It may be as simple a matter as that. And yes, I'll offer to have my pants tailored to fit if that will resolve the situation.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:19 PM
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19. Explain this to your boss and hopefully it will be o'key.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:58 PM
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4. Sounds like someone has a problem with you
that's not related to your pants.

I'd also invest in a belt.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:12 PM
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11. If it is, I expect someone to explain it to me.
I don't try to anger other people at me. I've gone out of my way to be nice to my employer and my fellow workers. If someone has a problem, they can bring it to me and I'll try to resolve it. If this was done for some sort of vengeance, I hope to have it figured out and have it resolved peacefully.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:58 PM
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5. That's the problem with things like this......
if you did in fact "pull your pants down" while goofing off.

The humor doesn't travel well in to the management office.

Also, I've seen employees who were taking part in the silliness turn on a co-worker months later after he/she develops an axe to grind.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:09 PM
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9. No time to "goof off."
I don't do juvenile jokes like "mooning" people. And I am really, seriously, too busy when I'm at work to engage in that kind of nonsense.

If this is a vendetta of some kind, I will simply explain my case to management as sincerely and honestly as I can. I expect the matter to be resolved in my favor. If it isn't, I'll find a job where there are not so many people out to cause trouble.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:02 PM
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6. Get revenge,, There are web sites devoted for getting revenge!
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:10 PM
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10. Revenge requires digging two holes.
One for your enemy and one for you.

I am known at work for being a cooperative, easy-going guy who is willing to put himself out a little to help the other guy. If someone is threatened by that, it's not my fault.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:09 PM
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8. maybe the "suspension" is a subtle clue for you
to buy suspenders.

just sayin...
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steely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:13 PM
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12. I wonder if it'd be worth contacting a lawyer.
It sounds like a pretty off-the-wall accusation - might want to get your past reviews / recognitions in order too. Good luck with this shit.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:16 PM
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15. Thanks. I hope it won't be necessary.
I hope this matter can be resolved without a court case. I HAVE called in my Union rep (who can also testify about my work load, since he works the shift after me) and I believe my union will stand behind me.

Sometime tomorrow I expect to go in for a meeting, if the big boss's schedule can clear it. I'll state my case with my union rep by my side, and hopefully that will be it.
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:17 PM
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17. This is reverse harassment
no pun intended
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spacelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:21 PM
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20. This is not about what you have been accused of, this is about
someone who has cause for a vendetta and you may or may not be aware of the circumstances surrounding this situation. I have been in precisely this scenario, you must fight against this in a way that is within your rights, for example, proof of wrongdoing and how your job handles infractions. Were you given a verbal warning? Are you being given due process? You have the right to know what is in your personnel file. And so on...you may have so far enjoyed a loose and free situation at work, but now it is all business.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:36 PM
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22. I will handle this honestly and forthrightly.
I intend to have my shop steward with me at the time I speak to management. I will also explain calmly that, if someone has a complaint against me, I will be glad to hear it and deal with it fairly.

I did NOT receive a verbal warning about anything. I returned from a week-long vacation to discover this happened. This is also the first time that I have ever had anything like this happen to me.

I do know that my job evaluations have been perfect for years. I have always been known to be cooperative.

The only instance (recently) has been with a news reporter whose live shots have had trouble. Another engineer (who is my shop steward) can testify about that trouble and explain that I am not sabotaging anyone, and that he has had similar trouble in the same instance. All I can do is present the facts and be honest.

In a way, it's similar to Internet spamming. I only talk to this reporter over the phone. That's an impersonal way to address difficulties. I would be glad to speak to him face to face and explain the difficulties involved at my end, and emphasize that I am not "goofing off" or going after him personally.
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spacelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:53 PM
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24. Hell of a way to come back from vacation; your former evaluations
will be a valuable resource. This has the aroma of a set up that has little to do with you per se, and more to do with the internal dynamics of management gone haywire. Keep calm, sounds like you are on the right track and you have the right to employment without harassment.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:29 PM
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21. I've been smeared at work before.
It was either some (reasonably incompetent) 20-somethings who wanted to BS all day rather than get any work done or it was the (reasonably impotent) administrator whose department was in a state of total collapse much to my dismay. Or both. I never knew for sure but read the tea leaves and soon moved on.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:39 PM
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23. By the way, thanks, everyone, for your responses.
I just got this information a few hours ago, when I walked in, expecting to return to work. I was confused and upset, and I know no action can be taken until sometime tomorrow.

Your responses have helped me get through the emotional turmoil of this. Most of my friends are currently asleep, although I did talk to a friend across the country in California (who was horrified and traumatized). But it's you guys who have helped the most.

Thanks. I know that if I were to post this on a right-wing or Republican site, I wouldn't have gotten a whit of sympathy from anyone. You guys are the best.

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:14 PM
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25. Kick
HAHAHAHA!
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:33 PM
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26. I'm sorry---that is a pretty incredible thing.
I'm sure you didn't expect to have to deal with that today--like you have nothing else to worry about, right?

Sorry....hope things work out.
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