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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:10 PM
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Poll question: Is "breeders" a hateful term or not?
What do you think?

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:11 PM
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1. Hey keep Kim Deal out of this!!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:12 PM
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6. Can't fight the seether!
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:17 PM
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That was Veruca Salt, wasn't it?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:19 PM
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16. Pff
I'm a dumbass. :(
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:27 PM
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25. I agree, dont fight the seether, give her a hug :)
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 01:27 PM by Moochy
Well not to defend redqueen, aww heck why not? seether is a term used for the angry grrl rock bands of late 80's and early 90s. So it's on topic, if technically not one of the Breeders songs. :)

That Veruca Salt song was about the same thing. mmmm 90's angry grrl rock.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:27 PM
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22. Yeah, you'll get a cannonball to the gut if you don't watch out
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:42 PM
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42. Okay...what about Last Splash?
Did I screw up again?
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:45 PM
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48. Nope, Last Splash is indeed a Breeders album
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:08 PM
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79. Woohoo!
:7
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:11 PM
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82. Their best one (upon reflection, maybe second best)
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 03:02 PM by Moochy
And (upon reflection) one of their best album to boot!

Cool cover:

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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:41 PM
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138. Strongly disagree!!!!
POD was by far their best!
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:46 PM
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141. POD very good
Hmm. thinking back .. pod was very good, I played it into the ground though.

and the cover art was good too :)






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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:28 PM
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182. "Pod" felt like another Pixies album... which is a good thing.
Kinda looks like one, too.
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cheeseit Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:51 PM
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58. mmmm......kim
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:12 PM
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2. can we call other people
eunuchs?
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:12 PM
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3. I voted "No, it's fine" because in the child-free lexicon it means
irresponsible parents. I'm child-free and use it to denote irresponsible parents from responsible ones.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:15 PM
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10. That sounds like people who say they only say "nigger" about rude blacks
In other words, it's bullshit! :D
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:18 PM
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14. Sometimes you charm me redqueen.
Pssst... Right on!

;)
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:39 PM
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37. Its complicated I think
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 01:39 PM by Moochy
How about when nigga is used by blacks to refer to eachother? The co-opting of a negative, like the term "Queer" or "Dyke" comes to mind.

Heck "Queer eye for the straight guy" is a patented term, whereas "Dykes on Bikes" can't be patented. (thanks bush)

Theres all kinds of power in these words, and when a group takes them back thats also a kind of empowerment. I'm just posing the premise that its more complicated than just a "bad words list"
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:43 PM
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46. Hence my inability to come down firmly on one side or the other.
I think in those cases, it's clear that the person saying it was not intending for the term to be derogatory... so I'd say that's OK. Someone saying it for derogatory reasons, though... as in the case with what one percieves to be bad parenting... that I don't think is so OK.
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intrepid_wanderer Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:57 PM
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62. EXACTLY ON THE SPOT!!! n/t
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:12 PM
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4. huh?
:wtf:

I am clearly out of the loop.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:12 PM
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5. I don't mind
My gay friends always call me a breeder. I always tell them that my genes are the only ones worth passing. ;)
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:13 PM
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7. I've heard it applied to Mexicans so, yes, in some cases
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:14 PM
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8. i don't like it
never really used it
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:15 PM
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9. They only had one song I liked, that was it
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:16 PM
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11. extremely
from my point of view
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:17 PM
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12. Child-free by choice and I find it repugnant
Maybe I'm not up on the lexicon but, in my opinion, I think it is just another way to devalue the feminine. Sorry, I would never call someone that just as I would never use any other bigoted slur.
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:17 PM
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13. Seems like the word "cracker."
i.e. used by an oppressed minority towards the minority. It carries no weight.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:20 PM
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17. It disturbs me. Does that not give it weight?
I would even go so far as to say it hurts me... yes, I think that's accurate.
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:22 PM
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19. Are you offended by the word "cracker?"
I'm not.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:27 PM
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24. Yes, if the person saying it is being hateful.
:shrug:
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:32 PM
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32. How about jokes about men?
For example, a couple of days ago somebody posted a thread "The Rules (for men)."

This was, apparently, the opposite but equivalent of a series of jokes by women aimed at men.

This was locked by a moderator under the argument that since women had been treated like cattle by men for thousands of years they had earned the right to crackwise about the opposite gender, while the opposite was inappropriate.

Do you disagree?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:35 PM
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35. I haven't decided yet.
I'm still on the fence about the whole "okay when it's joking" vs. "never okay becase..." argument.

When I hear some jokes about women, it is hurtful... sometimes I just laugh... so... I really just don't know. I tend to lean towards it being wrong, period... since I know that even though something doesn't offend ME, personally... that someone out there may be hurt by it. so... anyway.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:59 PM
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Um, there's a little more to it than that.
First, economically advantaged whites use terms like "cracker" and "trailer trash" to put down other whites. Would that not change the weight?

Second, even when a term is used by an oppressed minority towards the majority it can be hateful, just not carrying the weight of terms that imply power to discriminate over the labelled group (which I'm guessing is what you mean by weight.) Calling people breeders can be hateful but not worthy of civil rights protection.

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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:03 PM
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71. Well yeah, and calling someone a "doo doo head"
can be hateful too. I'm not going to get upset over that one either.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:05 PM
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74. Is there a group of "doo doo head"s around to be offended?
Kind of a red herring, isn't that?
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:39 PM
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Doo Doo head
More of a brown monkey than a red herring.

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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:29 PM
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169. Apparently there is.
But if the doo doo heads were in the majority and were oppressing those in the minority who were calling them "doo doo heads" then the doo doo heads really have nothing to be complaining about.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:01 PM
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153. Kraklen, you crack me up.
The question isn't whether it bothers you personally, it's whether it's a hateful term. There are tons of terms that don't bother me personally, even when they're said to me specifically in a hateful manner. Whenever a term sets up a implied YOU PEOPLE, it's a good bet it's not meant in a loving way. That is how I differentiate hateful terms. Remember, "hateful" doesn't always mean "hate speech" in an actionable civil rights violation way.

Name calling is against the rules here, otherwise I'd call you a tofurky-loving doo doo head.

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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:18 PM
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15. I think it's a contemptuous term.
I don't think I've ever heard it applied to humans in a purely descriptive manner. :shrug:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:20 PM
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18. I am more than my uterus
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:23 PM
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20. You boil a woman's entire worth down to a biologic function...
and you have to ask?

So, how do you feel about men being referred to as dicks?

How anyone can be so damned insensitive and purport to be a progressive, I just don't know. :eyes:
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:35 PM
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36. It refers to both men and women
It's slang for straight
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:42 PM
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41. uhhh... straight = breeders.
its not a woman thing.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:54 PM
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60. Fine, offend and condescend to the very ones who support gay rights...
Great strategy...

Obnoxious, rude, crude, and arrogant.
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:57 PM
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63. everything depends on context.
take your post for example - that was quite condescending.


Back to 'breeders'
Sometimes it's a joke - and that is the only context I have ever heard it in. :shrug:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:02 PM
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70. ...
perhaps you need to look inward, yourself.
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:12 PM
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87. hahahahahaha!
that would be very funny if you knew me at all.

peace.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:07 PM
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76. .
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #76
81. aha.
Well, an asshole is just an asshole, no matter what words they use!

:P
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #76
139. In that context, I agree that it is a derogatory use of the term.
Absolutely.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:01 PM
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67. God if that's the worst thing anybody calls me, I've had a good day
I have one (a dick,) and to have someone point that out, I take as a compliment.

How can you be so damned sensitive and not explode from the daily onslaught?

And it does apply to the couple, not just the woman.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:08 PM
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78. Daily onslaught?
How many people hurl insults at groups you're a member of on an average day?

:shrug:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:11 PM
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85. I'm sorry to hear that (if that's the worst thing anybody calls me..
...had a good day).

I am fortunate to work and live among thos who show respect for each other, including those different from them. I try to do so as well.

I wish that for you as well.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:13 PM
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91. Maybe he works with Rush Limbaugh?
:shrug:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:16 PM
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97. Well, I do live in a deep red State
So yes, there is a lack of civility. OTOH, I lived in (neon blue) LA for many years and found people to be no kinder, nor caring there.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:02 PM
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155. Every single time I have ever heard the comment in
public it has always applied to a woman. Usually it applies to a woman who seems to be a member of the "lower tiers" of our society.
It's rude and it's vulgar. I would never call someone else a name of that nature. It hurts when those comments are made. It tells me that the only thing you see about me is the fact that I have a child. It makes me feel like I am not respected for what accomplishments I might have made or what I think or feel or support. It brings me down to a basic biological level.

BTW-I don't call people "d*cks" either. That's just a rude comment. You have a penis and it should be called that.
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Amaya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:24 PM
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21. Yes, it's rude
nt
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:27 PM
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23. I've never been offended by it personally
But my dictionary defines it as "a derogatory slang term against heterosexuals", so that was probably the intention of whomever first used the word in that sense.

Since I don't have any children, I'm not doing a great job at "breeding" anyhow.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:28 PM
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26. Hah!
The dictionary rules all... case closed! :7
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:34 PM
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34. I'm offended for group X
Offense is relative, I'm not offended by it but others are, so thats really what matters.

I cant get offended by it just because someone else is.

Isnt' that false indignation?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:39 PM
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38. Hmmm.. is it?
I mean... if you feign offense, I guess... but I mean not feigning the feeling of being offended yourself... just showing consideration for people who are offended, even if you're not.

Did that make sense?
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:48 PM
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51. Consideration yes
I meant for me to get offended would be false indignation.

It's one of those things that we liberals sometimes get accused of, and sometimes rightly so. getting offended for others, and in mixed company I am sure not to use it.

Intentionality is hard to convey on message boards, and alot easier in person with friends.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:28 PM
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27. Interesting
Although I don't use the term, I was going to post that I just see it as sort of a sarcastic, silly sort of term more than an insulting one. However, I see it as a term directed at those who are parents and not only at women. If it were only being directed at child-bearing women, as some DUers see it, I would likely see it as more offensive; however, that is not the only way I've seen it used.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:44 PM
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47. I'm offended when it's used about parents.
Clearly it's not just me...

:shrug:
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:30 PM
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28. Yep.
Anyone ever use it as a compliment? :shrug:
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Old_Fart Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:30 PM
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29. "I hate it"
It makes the human race sound like an experiment "breeder rats". I hate the term and whomever came up with it sounds as if they were filled with hate.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:31 PM
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30. In what sense?
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 02:13 PM by Shell Beau
Dog breeders? No

People as breeders? Kind of

If it is in a joking manner, no. But to refer to someone as a breeder b/c you don't agree with their parenting skills, then it seems rude.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:46 PM
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50. Yeah... for parents.
I'm seeing some comments that reflect that the term is used jokingly among friends... that's not what I'm talking about, though.

Happy birthday! :hi:
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:50 PM
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53. Aw, thanks!
:hi:
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Lavender Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:32 PM
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31. It's sometimes, but not always, meant to be derisive
Used in a joking way, it doesn't bother me.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:33 PM
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33. It's more of a retaliatory term... like saying gringas or honkies
Calling someone breeder hardly matches calling someone fag or dyke, anymore than gringas and honkies match the n-word.

That said, it's not a loving term... but I wouldn't exactly call it a hateful one either. When I use it, I use it with straight friends... and it's meant teasingly. FWIW... :shrug:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:49 PM
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52. Yeah, the teasing thing isn't what I mean at all.
My friends call me a bitch and I'm fine with it... but someone on here calls someone they don't personally know a bitch because they're unhappy with their actions... that's the sort of usage that started this thread.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:53 PM
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Ok, then I can get that... any term could be used that way, but breeders
is a loaded one. I can definitely get how it's derisive coming from a position of hate. I've just never seen it used that way, though i'm sure it is.

(And yeah, a close friend, especially a gay one, could call me a dyke and it would definitely not have the same weight as a stranger here, especially a straight one, calling me that.)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:58 PM
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65. Yes! Great point... lots of terms can be used in a hateful way.
And when it's aimed at a group I'm in, I feel hurt / offended.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:49 PM
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145. i have gringo tattooed on me
that's how hatefuL i am.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #145
146. Why not Guero?
:hi:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #146
147. y no habLa espanoL
:hi:

what's guero?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #147
159. Another word for "white boy"
:loveya:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #159
164. i'm a gringo Loco
:loveya:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #164
167. That's the very best kind!
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:10 AM
Response to Reply #159
186. Almost correct. - Gero
Don't forget the dieresis over the u.

And it actually means 'blondie' rather than white boy. It is a term of endearment.





:hi:
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #145
148. I had a girlfriend who called me gringa constantly..
was only tiresome because of its monotony and unimaginativeness ... :)

(Do you really have gringo tattooed on you?)
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #148
150. aww
i do indeed have that tat.

i sent it to you. :hi:
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #150
156. I LOVE it!!
:thumbsup:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #156
158. thank you
:bounce:
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I Know How To Do it Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:41 PM
Response to Original message
39. I am outraged by it's usage!
what does it mean?
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #39
43. lol n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #39
54. It refers to heterosexuals.
Sometimes used jokingly, sometimes in an ugly way.

When used in the ugly way, I can't see it as anything but offensive and hateful.
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I Know How To Do it Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #54
59. You're allowed to talk dirty on these boards?
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #59
66. yit?
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I Know How To Do it Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #66
68. I don't know that word.
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #66
72. i was wondering something similar
:hi:
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #72
73. Maybe it's a relative.
:hi:
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #73
75. at first glance, I thought you said 'laxative'
not 'relative'

I think I need my brain checked.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #75
80. ...
:spray:


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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #80
84. you found a use for that smiley!!!
:woohoo:
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #84
90. that was her first :spray:
I'm honored

:blush:
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #90
94. no...it was her first



i also like this one:

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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #94
102. ahhh - gotcha.
I was wondering.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #102
103. Here...
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #103
106. are you checking my brain?
I hope so, because I am really having trouble using it correctly today.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #106
110. Nyuck nyuck nyuck
Nah... you're brain's probably just fine...
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #84
92. My work is done.
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #92
96. hmmmm
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #96
100. LOL! Does that mean that you didn't see me curtsy? Here:
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #100
104. lovely - how very femme of you
:eyes:
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #104
113. I am very versatile...
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 02:23 PM by Misunderestimator
Thank you very much...

Edited to add this in case you see a red x again...
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #113
123. i love it!!!!!
you need to add that to your sig line. :rofl:
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #66
180. snap?
SNAP!
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #59
174. all depends on the context...
You can say "I reallly fucked up at work today" but you CAN'T say "I f***ed a coworker today" unless perhaps you "fucked them over" which is permissible. Clear as day?

Essentially, it boils down to no sex threads, but foul language may run amok.
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:42 PM
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40. Depends on the context...
but I don't take offense to it personally and use the term to describe myself in some discussions. I have seen it used in a derogatory context but...I am in the "sticks and stones....but names can never hurt me" camp.
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:43 PM
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44. I've only been called a breeder by my gay friends
I've never taken offense - I thought it was comical. I suppose if it was hurled as an insult I would react differently.
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:43 PM
Response to Original message
45. A gay friend calls us breeders
and it is funny.

Now, if someone came up and said - 'look at those fucking breeders' obviously that would be quite different
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:45 PM
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49. It reduces a complex social function to a simple biological one
and minimizes my role as a mother. Breeding is the easy part (well, for myself and most people, for some it's a time consuming endeavor and a huge expense) parenting is a great deal more difficult and has much greater consequences for failure.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #49
86. I think that is the point...
Breeder denotes (IMO) an irresponsible person that fulfilled the biological imperative without following it up with actual parenting. They just have 'em & turn 'em lose on the rest of us, and expect that we'll just quietly accept their imposition.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #86
109. It isn't always used that way
it's frequently used to divide the world into childfree people and breeders, or GLBT people and breeders (which isn't even a good dividing line, as there are plenty of GLBT people with kids.)

Even when used to denote lousy parents only, creating a label reduces society's responsibility to help that family to one to pass judgement. A child is not an imposition, a child is a human being and in the sort of situation you describe, that child needs help and compassion. Sometimes helping the parents up rather than tearing them down does our society a great deal of good. It's less fun than sneering and calling names, but we're liberals. We help people- right?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #109
131. There can be no responsibility without accountability
And as long as we insist on allowing unrestricted breeding regardless of capacity, society has no responsibility to pick up the slack. That is just madness.
Do you dispute that most, if not all, of Humanities problems are due, directly or indirectly, to the insane over-population of our species?
What is it now? 8 billion?
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #131
142. I'd say most of our problems are due to greed
I'd think overpopulation would be less of an issue if all people had access to birth control, abortion and other basic health care options, and if land and wealth were distributed more equitably.

For every parent out there who just has little facility with children, there are many who are forced by circumstance to do things the know aren't good for thier kids, like leaving them home alone too young, feeding them poor quality food, or letting them watch too much tv, as a result of lack of time or money.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #142
151. But if say there were 1 billion on the planet, wouldn't the resulting...
abidance make greed impractical? I mean, isn't greed a result of a scarcity of resources, which makes the hoarding of those resources valuable? If everybody could get all they need, what value would more have?
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #151
163. There were roughly 1 billion humans in 1800 and greed persisted
As a practical matter, I don't see how the population back down to 1 billion without some sort of doomsday scenario. People have an instinctual need to perpetuate thier genes, and kids are wonderful and worth having, even in areas where birthing a few farmhands or a child to care for you in your old age isn't an economic necessity.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #163
179. Do you think the 19th century is really comparable to the 21st?
And I believe the issue is scarcity not absolute numbers.
C'mon rapture!
That'll get about a billion off the freeways.
:silly:
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cheeseit Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:50 PM
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55. Yup. It directly asserts heterosexuals exist purely for reproduction.
I think it's an extremely unpleasant term. You might as well call women "incubators".
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #55
57. Thanks... great analogy!
Welcome to DU! :hi:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #55
69. We could use the name 'inci' for short...
I'm on the fence with the term 'breeders' as I could see it coming as a joke and not having a problem with it.

I think when any term is used in anger or to offend it becomes offensive. (Why do we get pissed off when Karl Rove uses the word Liberal? aren't we?)
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:51 PM
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56. I'm unclear as to whether it's hateful,
but I'm fairly certain it's not meant as a compliment.
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Pool Hall Ace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:55 PM
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61. I rarely use the term, and
while it's not meant to demean, it is meant to bring those parents down a peg who are overly impressed with the fact that they have issued forth a human being from their loins.

It's a subtle reminder that, "hey, you aren't that special."

I believe the hipmamas have since co-opted the term, but given that so many parents look upon childfree folks with such disdain, I don't know why it would bother them. :shrug:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:58 PM
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64. I tend to use it for people who have a lot of kids and who really don't
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 01:59 PM by barb162
take care of the kids, people who are rotten parents, as in breed first, maybe think about parenting or how to feed them later. I often mean it in a derogatory way.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #64
83. See post #10
:hi:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #83
114. I saw your post before I wrote, understand your (good) point
But I still know people who thought about parenting after they "bred" maybe one or two or three or more kids too many. These are usually the parents whose kids are screwing up badly, getting in trouble with the police and the parents will say: I just don't know how they got that way, I mean, I just don't undrestand it!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #114
117. I know the types...
but just like I wouldn't call black people with attitude problems or what have you "niggers"... I wouldn't call people with less-than-adequate parenting skills "breeders"... I wouldn't call a woman I disagreed with a "bitch"...
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #117
132. agree with you on first and third examples
but I still call the incompetent parents breeders
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #132
144. As is your right as an American.
:patriot:
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:08 PM
Response to Original message
77. I Think It Is WONDERFUL!
oh wait








hang on i have to get something








brb









got it! a fresh batch :popcorn:

ok. NOW I THINK IT IS WONDERFUL
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #77
88. hahahahahah
:loveya:
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:13 PM
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89. If it's used as a statement of biological fact
I see no problem. On a grossly overpopulated planet breeding and the amount of breeding one does is certainly revelant.
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:15 PM
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93. It all depends on the context of its use.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:17 PM
Original message
YES!
EXACTLY!!!!

:loveya:
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:16 PM
Response to Original message
95. Say it to my face
and I'll let you know how I feel.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:17 PM
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98. Nope. Not complimentary, but not a slur either.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #98
149. why do you have Imus in your sigline?
just curious... :P
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #149
176. It's not Imus. It's a joke for a DUer who posts this in response to
'Northeast elitists'. :eyes:

I figured I'd put it in my sig line so I can save him the trouble of responding with it. :P
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I Know How To Do it Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:17 PM
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99. To be perfectly honest for maybe the first time on here.
I think the term is so idiotic, that I would probably start laughing if I were ever to be called one out of malice. The whole group of friends I hang out with all call each other names. Breeder just made that list.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #99
101. Key word in your example: friends.
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 02:18 PM by redqueen
Wouldja say it to a stranger because you don't like their parenting methods, and see what happens, then check back and let us know how it went?

:hi:
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I Know How To Do it Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #101
108. I probably wouldn't call anybody that if I didn't know them well.
If somebody I didn't know called me that I'd probably roll my eyes and start laughing. It wouldn't phase me in the least.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #108
112. Yes, well...
it's not like I started crying... :P

However, when I read the term, it did rankle me.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #99
107. Wait... Are you saying that 65 posts of yours were DISHONEST?
Huh? :crazy:
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #107
111. I thought there were lots more.
:shrug:
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #111
116. I can only assume there will be many more...
But at least we have confirmation that the 65 initial posts lacked "perfect honesty"... :shrug:
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I Know How To Do it Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #107
115. Yeah some were dishonest, like the ones I made in the Share some
Trivia thread.
I said it is illegal to pet a cat backwards in Scotland, among other things.

I would maybe say that most of my posts aren't very sincere.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #115
119. Most of your posts aren't very sincere... well, thanks for that info...
sure will save me a lot of aggravation... :banghead:
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I Know How To Do it Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #119
121. Why do you hate my freedom to be an idiot so much?
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #121
124. You're perfectly free... to be all that you can be...
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I Know How To Do it Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #124
128. Alas, it is a rather lofty goal.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:20 PM
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105. I first became familiar with the term "breeder"...
w-a-y back in the day here in SF in the gay community -- it's been used here that I know of since the 70s. It was then meant as a nasty term for straights. I still have gay friends/aquaintences who use it in a negative way -- even in my "breeder" presence. I've actually sat in on conversations in which it was discussed how much better the world would be if all the "breeders" were gone and it was just gays. I sometimes have to remind folks to tone it down, there's a "breeder" in the room. ;)

Interestingly, I still hear the word used strictly in reference to straights, even though there is a now a HUGE community of "breeding" gays and lesbians here in the City.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:25 PM
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118. what I need to know is......
Do broods of breeders drink beer? :shrug:
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #118
120. Only when brooding about broads and brooms and brawling brides
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #120
125. "broads" is offensive
i prefer "skirts" and web sites for free
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #125
126. Can you design my website... I've been meaning to ask you...
I could like make you dinner or something. Please? :evilgrin:
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #126
129. only if its a lesbian porn site and i can also be the photographer
oh, and you have to sit on my lap whilst i design it :bounce:
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:31 PM
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130. ...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:34 PM
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133. You BOTH forgot BOOBS?!
Falling down on the job, you are!
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #133
137. BR.... like... Bruised and broken brats bragging about breaking bread.
If boobs was spelled BROOBS, I surely would have used it. :D
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:44 PM
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140. hahah oops!
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 02:44 PM by redqueen
:dunce:

Wait... what about breasts?

Wait... why am I fixated on mammary glands today?
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:48 PM
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143. While broiling breasts and browning brie in the brig.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:34 PM
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135. LMAO n/t
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:27 PM
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122. stop confusing people in the middle of a flame war!!
:spank:
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:29 PM
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127. shit
i keep forgetting that rule. my bad :D
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:34 PM
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134. probably

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pdx_prog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:39 PM
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136. I have three kids....
Plus one that I never got the chance to see.....and three grandkids....I suppose I have done my share of "breeding"

I have to admit, I have never even heard the word used in that context more than one or two times.

I feel there is enough hate in the world without adding to it....
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:59 PM
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152. Yes it is. When I have used it myself (I'm not proud of that) it has
always been uttered under my breath thus: "Fuckin' breeders."

And it's always been in response to seeing one or two things: a het couple groping each other in public, or a "nice family dinner out" that becomes a screamfest, with one parent or the other slapping a child or carrying it out of the restaurant by an arm.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:01 PM
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154. As usual the Chupacabras are the swing vote ;D
But seriously, calling those people parents demeans all of you that are actually parenting your kids.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:04 PM
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157. There's not a derogatory term for childless people, ya know.
I don't like the term breeder, it rubs me the wrong way whether someone *means* it to or not.

Plus, now that I'm thinking about it, it's not like someone can call a childless person "barren" or....something.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:22 PM
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165. Well,.
For a while there was DINKs (double income, no kids) but that applied to couples only.

Other than that it's pretty much generic terms like "selfish" that are used to label the childless.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:38 PM
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172. Aha! That's what a DINK is!
Never heard that before in my life.

Thanks for the explanation. :hi:
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:18 PM
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175. I remember that term from iVillage years ago...
they had a forum for DINKS but single men kept joining...
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:37 PM
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178. well, maybe the single guys were thinking of
the not-an-acronym slang term 'dink.'
If the shoe fits....
:+
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:23 PM
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166. Spoken like a parent. Believe me when I tell you that Society has...
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 03:24 PM by greyhound1966
reserved an entire list of 'code' words and terms that carry derogatory connotations for the child-free population, many more for women than men, of course, but they are there. Childless, single, DINKS, not to mention the condescending look that women give child-free women, the completely unfair tax schedule, the discrimination in the workplace, etc.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:37 PM
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171. Childless and single are code words?
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 03:38 PM by tjdee
I've never heard DINK either. Didn't invite no kids? Dumb idiot nasty kids?

:shrug: (on edit: I just found out what it was from Gormy Cuss)

And I have never, EVER seen those terms at DU, while I see breeder every now and again.

I'm aware of the tax differences, etc. but even as a single, childless woman I didn't feel condescended toward except by women who obviously had a creator complex. I obviously won't know what it's like to be of 'child bearing years' (thirties,etc.) and be childless, so that may be true. I'm still single, that's another topic for another day LOL.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:03 PM
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173. As a man I've only seen this done to my girlfriends, but it is done,
regularly. Obviously it's not the word so much as the connotation and the there's something wrong with you cause you don't have kids 'look'.

In all my years I've only met two women out in the world that were congratulatory toward my girlfriends decision to not procreate.

Double Income No Kids
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:07 PM
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160. Perhaps. If you're easily offended.
It doesn't bother me. I was called "Jay the Breeder" by one of my college friends for years. I referred to him as "Queen Tom". If the term is used in a manner that is meant to be offensive, it's the user's problem, not mine.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:08 PM
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161. Well, it's meant to insult. So, yeah, it's hateful on that level.
But I have kids and I could not care less what anyone thinks about it, so I'm not about to get bent out of shape about the term.

I wouldn't call people without children names....
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:12 PM
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162. I used to work in theatre, and in that context, Breeders was
definitely a hateful term, delivered with a sneer, used by Gays, Straights and fence-straddlers, all us Bohemians. Basically, it reflected the fact that once you've had kids, performing revolutionary theatre in front of 7 people a night is no longer on the schedule.....
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #162
168. hahahah
Thanks... :hi:
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:34 PM
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170. It can really go either way
I don't think if i call a straight person a "breeder" it should be taken as hateful. It can be used that way but shouldn't automatically be considered that at all. I can call you a straight person with plenty of hate too.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:22 PM
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177. Yes it is, and gay people should STFU saying it.
It's very nasty.
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:25 PM
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181. i'm straight, and i say it
way to generalize, tho :eyes:
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:00 PM
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183. Queer or Breeder? (in reference to a Bar) That's what my friend asks.
I find it slightly amusing in that way. To determine the clientele and atmosphere of a bar, I'm fine with the term. Actually, I don't really care and a lot of people are getting their knickers in a twist over this one. But, to each his/her own.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:42 AM
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184. I think it is offensive
I've never heard/seen it used in a non-derogatory manner.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 05:42 AM
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185. condescending but not hateful
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