Can Gay guy's judge hot chicks?

[trumad]

I just watched a clip of Jenny Mcarthy's new show and a gay guy was the hot chick evaluator for Playboy.

Isn't that like me (a hetro man) being a judge for hot guys?

[Taverner]

1. They can, but I don't trust their opinion on such things

Being as they don't have the lust factor to qualify things...

Now if they're bi....

[Rising Phoenix]

2. Sure they can

They are gay, not blind

[Jara sang]

5. Don't for get to take the meat out of the freezer!

[Rising Phoenix]

21. Get out of my brain!!!!

[ronnykmarshall]

13. Thank YOU.

My god. I can't believe some of the responces in here.

[Shredr]

3. It's not exactly the same.

Culturally, it's more acceptable for a man to judge women than for a man to judge men so, even though you can probably tell a hot guy from a not-hot guy, you'd feel really uncomfortable sitting on TV and discussing it (most likely). A gay man may not be into hot chicks the way you are, but we can still tell a hot one from a not-hot one (and are usually more objectively critical).

My $.02

[bushisanidiot]

4. I don't think it's the same. I could be wrong..

but I think there's a difference between men & women in this area. Women are expected to be Barbi-look-alikes in order to be considered "hot", so it doesn't matter who the judge is.. het man, het woman, gay man, or lesbian.

[sundog]

6. depends on how narrow your definition of sexuality is

[KeepItReal]

7. Better question: Why can't some chicks judge gay guys?

Women end up dating/marrying guys that are in the closet alot nowadays...

I had an ex-girlfriend get an engagement broken off by a guy that "turned gay".

That's pretty messed up.

[terrya]

8. Of course they can.

I mean, a straight guy can judge a good looking guy. They aren't attracted to that guy...but said hetero guy can judge whether a guy is good looking or not.

Same dynamic with gay men and women.

[48pan]

9. I think they can

The more flamboyant gay guys spend a lot time on aesthetics. I think they can pick a hot chick.

[skypilot]

10. We can and do.

We don't call them "hot chicks" though. We're more likely to simply say "she's hot".

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[progmom]

22. "a socket that doesn't smell too bad"????

[sui generis]

31. sorry progmom

I sometimes forget that sarcastically talkin' street smack here is sometimes interpreted as my own voice.

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez!

Repeating to self, "DU is not the same as "among friends", DU is not the same as "among friends", etc.

[progmom]

38. is this the second time in 2 days that i've busted you

...for your choice of words? sorry....

[skypilot]

26. Don't want to turn this into a sex thread so...

...I'll just say quickly:

THE TWINK THING HAS GOT TO STOP!!!!

[sniffa]

36. but they're deLicious!!

[brainshrub]

28. Hello.

Just making an appearance to prevent this from turning into a sex thread.

Carry on.

[Heidi]

11. Maybe he knows what sells magazines.

Just because a person can discern what will sell a mainstream magazine doesn't necessarily mean that person wants to boink the contestant's brain's out.

(edited for clarity)

[trumad]

12. True

but someone mentioned lust up above and I think that factors in... Another words, I'd love to have sex with that woman cause she's hot!

[skypilot]

15. I think the lust factor could possibly cloud things up a bit.

Sometimes if I'm feeling a bit lusty I might find a particular guy more attractive than I normally would. On the other hand I've seen men that I thought were absolutely beautiful who I've had no desire for. This is what it's like when I see a beautiful woman. The lack of the lust factor, I think, can keep you more objective.

[Heidi]

17. The lust factor might not apply so strongly

if the "judge" were a gay man, though. Maybe I'm cynical, or maybe it's my consulting background, but I believe anyone with experience in marketing and strategic communications can pretty easily predict what will "sell" and what won't. Our American tastes are not so difficult to discern. USA Today once did an actual study on what "sells" front pages: rack display, what should be placed above the fold, etc. The results ran along the lines of blond, scantily clad women posed in close proximity to red sports cars.

[RPM]

14. upside: impartiality; dowside not necessarily his area of expertise

would be like asking a catholic priest for marriage advice - you'd be going to someone who has seen it done, but doesnt do it themself.

[sui generis]

18. I suppose you're talking about gay boys who are otherwise "virgins"

I've been all over the map; I guess I can qualify my opinion.

[Misunderestimator]

19. Chickens? Sorry, I don't get the connection between gay guys and chickens.

[sui generis]

23. chicken = twinkie = late teen / very young adult

we call 'em "chicken", i.e, male version of "chick" but not old enough to be a rooster.

[sundog]

24. and who is Gay guy's judge?

and where does he live?

[Misunderestimator]

27. LOL

[sundog]

29. Judge Harry T. Stone?

he seems pretty friendly

[progmom]

30. and he's a Mel Torme fan

[sundog]

32. there ya go, it all comes full circle

[progmom]

25. ...

[trumad]

39. smart ass

[Raster]

20. Oh, puhleeze. A hottie is a hottie is a hottie. Guy or girl. Gay or

Str8. And this bullshit about str8 guys not being able to tell if another guy is hot or not, STOP!! You're str8, not deaf, dumb and blind. Can you tell if you're hot or not? Hmmmm....

[skypilot]

35. Whenever I watch "Survivor"...

...I notice that often the good-looking guys team up right at the
beginning of the game. They always want to separate themselves from the older or "dweeby" or out of shape guys. They obviously recognize their own attractiveness and the attractiveness of each other. Although, they'd never admit this.

[Raster]

37. Absolutely. Hotties tend to gravitate to hotties. And quit frankly, the

str8 hottie guys I know tend to pump and preen more around the other str8 hottie guys then around the girls. I'm just saying...

[Shell Beau]

33. Sure. Why not? I judge women all of the time and I

am a straight female.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

34. Yes...how do you think we got Kate Moss and all the waif-like models?

My best friend was at the helm of one of the top modeling agencies in New York shortly after the START of the supermodel phase (mid 80's)

One of the biggest reasons he got out of the business (and these are HIS WORDS AND HE IS GAY) is that gay males who actually HATE women imposed their view of what is gorgeous on the modeling industry.

His claim to fame was being in charge of new faces at a time when supermodels really were gorgeous...his "tear sheet" book is full of some of the most stunning faces in the business (and names you would know)...and to this day...he knows a hot woman when he sees one.

[patcox2]

41. This is something I suspect.

Gay guys who are into esthetics are tougher in judging women than they ought to be, or at least tougher than a straight guy. If your primary focus is pure esthetics, rather than sex appeal or femininity, you will definitely have different tastes. Its plausible to me that this has resulted in so many top fashion models with no discernable femininity, though they are certainly esthetically beautiful.

[jonnyblitz]

45. i am gay and i agree with your assessment pretty much... nt

[jonnyblitz]

42. gay males who hate women are lame.

totally fucking lame.

[XemaSab]

40. I think there's something odd about it

like the above poster says, this is where a lot of the waifish supermodel thing came from.

I think most straight guys will think a woman is hot even if she's a little chubby or has a smaller chest or curly brown hair or whatever is outside the boundary of what's considered "hot."

(Goddamn rail thin big chested straight-blonde-haired bitches)

I don't trust gay guys to have the same ability to look at the "total package" and see what's really sexually attractive, simply because it's something that they're not sexually attracted to themselves.

It's like "queer eye." If it was "straight eye for the straight guy" it would lack the charm of "queer eye" and it wouldn't be an interesting show. The premise is "let's take an ordinary clueless guy and turn him into someone we'd date." Or if it was "dyke eye for the straight guy" nobody would buy into it for similar reasons.

So "gay eye for the straight girl" similarly is suspect, IMHO.

[skypilot]

44. Please don't filter gay men's aesthetic sensibilities...

...throught the warped prism of the fashion industry. Maybe the waif thing was brought to us courtesy of gay fashionistas and maybe it wasn't but the fashion world is a world unto itself anyway.

[patcox2]

46. Not to stereotype, but I will stereotype a little, Marilyn Monroe

There's an example of a quasi-gay icon who certainly isn't a waif and certainly was feminine.

I hope I am not hopelessly out of date thinking she is a quasi-icon, maybe I shouldn't base my beliefs on Elton John songs, but I could have sworn that the NYT story about youong gays not buying into the traditional gay pantheon (Judy Garland, et al) included Marilyn in that group.

[skypilot]

47. I'm 40 years old and I don't quite get...

...the Judy Garland thing. I'd never heard of Marilyn Monroe being a quasi-icon for gay men but it doesn't sound particularly farfetched. I like Marilyn.

[Moochy]

48. Don't blame gay men for that...

In my opinion, the trend towards skinny waif models are the product of the strictly aesthetic trend of starving women to wrap them in less and less fabric! Long skinny limbs tend to make more dramatic fashion horses, lots of pokey bits (elbows & ribs) shifting under silky fabrics.

Advertising seeks to make a hole in your ego and fill it with their products. To paraphrase Adbusters, your are the product!


McBaby

[XemaSab]

49. true

didn't mean to stereotype or offend.

on second thought, some of my gay friends seem more forgiving and accepting of figure "flaws" than a lot of straight guys, especially with other men.

[4_Legs_Good]

43. I'm a hetero guy and I think I can judge hot guys

But I'm not sure that my judgement is the same as that of your average hetero female. So while I certainly think a gay guy could judge a hot chick, I'm not 100% sure that his judgement would be the same as your average hetero guy.

david