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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:04 AM
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Well, we have thoughts on bullfighting & rodeos, Now how about cockfights?
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 10:06 AM by RPM
I think we can all agree on this one, right? Pretty damn cruel.

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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:07 AM
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1. I'm against all of them
went to a bull fight many years ago and it was disgusting.
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jilln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:09 AM
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2. we can all agree
except louisiana, i think? is that the last state where it's legal? and oklahoma, where it's recently illegal but some idiot lawmaker wants to bring it back, this time with the roosters wearing little boxing gloves...

don't these people have television??
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:12 AM
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6. little boxing gloves?
ok, teriffic - that's weird.
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jilln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:18 PM
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29. yeah, someone voted for this idiot
http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2005/01/27/stat... /

State Sen. Frank Shurden, a longtime defender of cockfighting, is suggesting that roosters be given little boxing gloves so they can fight without bloodshed. The proposal is in a bill the Democrat has introduced for the legislative session that begins Feb. 7.

"Who's going to object to chickens fighting like humans do? Everybody wins," Sen. Frank Shurden said.

Oklahoma voters banned cockfighting in 2002. The practice is still legal in Louisiana and New Mexico.



By all means, let roosters fight "like humans do"!!!!!
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:13 AM
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7. Roosters in boxing gloves???
I don't think I've ever seen a rooster deliver a decent left hook. How the hell is the "winner" decided?
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:09 AM
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3. sick sick sick sick sick
did I mention SICK?

unbelievable that people would find this entertaining.


:cry:
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:12 AM
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4. Until about a month ago, I thought it was illegal everywhere.
Evidently, it's not.

I'm not a vegan or a member of PETA, but cockfighting (and dogfighting and bullfighting) cross the line for me. Causing harm to an animal for food or medical research is justified in some cases, IMHO. Causing harm to animals for entertainment is not.

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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:12 AM
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5. I'm not going to touch this one with
my ten foot pole. :) :yoiks:


Oh wait, those kind of fights. Simply disgusting.
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MemphisTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:15 AM
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8. Why does this always make me think of little Jerry Seinfeld?
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:17 AM
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9. hahahaha
:rofl:
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:20 AM
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10. Now if one of the participants was human...
that might be entertaining...like when a bull runs around with a matador on his horns.

Rodeo I can sort of see since that is more or less an exhibition of the cattleman's skills. But personally I don't find it the least bit interesting.

But no, I can't imagine the mind of the people who would even think of this shit, let alone actually do it.
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jilln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:12 PM
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28. rodeos are animal abuse too
Calf roping, hello? Letting a baby animal run at full speed and jerking their necks back? How sick is that?

Plus the electric prods, the horses that get hurt, the teaching children in the audience that animal cruelty is OK... or letting a bunch of kids run around after a terrified pig?

Rodeos get caught all the time flagrantly violating their own rules on animal abuse. This guy has tons of undercover video of it all:

http://www.sharkonline.org/rodeocruelty.mv
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:20 AM
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11. Those fucks watching? Put those knives on their legs and let them
fight to the death two by two til every last one of them is dead.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:25 AM
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13. Everyone who thinks a bloodsport is fun should have to participate
That would be a good way to get organ donors and it would clean up the gene pool.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:32 AM
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15. good after-effects of getting rid of these slimeballs who get off
on animal cruelty
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:37 AM
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18. so - let me get this straight - the answer to animal cruelty is...
... human cruelty?

I don't quite think that is the right way to go about it. In fact, i surimise that these folks are cruel to animals because someone was cruel to them.

Perhaps eliminating cruelty towards people would go further to stopping cruelty towards animals than soliciting cruelty against humans who are cruel to animals.

just a thought.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:39 AM
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19. You're right of course...but we would like the opportunity
to engage in at least a little hyperbole.
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:40 AM
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20. just checking
;)
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cheeseit Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:33 AM
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16. Agreed
Sick fuckers
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:20 AM
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12. I saw one in Jamaica 30 years ago.
Not a pretty sight.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:31 AM
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14. I think any sport involving animals sucks.
Some suck worse than others but what it comes down to for me is that the animals have NO CHOICE in the matter. If humans want to beat the shit out of each other, or run until they collapse, or whatever they think is sport, FINE. They have the choice to participate or not participate. But bulls, greyhounds, roosters, horses, etc. have no choice whether or not they want to be beaten, stabbed, run into the ground, or murdered for absolutely no good reason. How awful. And for what? So people can be entertained? So people can bet money? I'm sorry but that's no excuse.

Believe me, I'm not a vegetarian. I believe that the earth's creatures provide for one another. Many animals in addition to humans are carnivores or omnivores. And many animals work together for food or survival. The earth has a symbiotic relationship and I respect that. That is why I don't have a problem with eating meat or using animals to help us do things, as long as the the animals are treated well and killed humanely.

But I don't agree with forcing them to endure exhausting races (only to be discarded as soon as they stop winning), maim or kill each other, or be maimed or killed by humans simply for entertainment purposes. That is too selfish, cruel and wasteful.
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jilln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:21 PM
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30. I am not being sarcastic at all
But I would really like to know where you find meat from animals killed humanely, and which methods you consider humane. As far as I know none are euthanized by lethal injection, but many are boiled alive, bled to death, beaten, etc.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:33 AM
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17. NO SEX THREADS
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:17 AM
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27. Good point, because once the offending cock is out of the way...
He gets lots of hens or at least in nature he would.

Now that we have seen that males battle each other like crazy, do females of any species battle that way?
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:30 PM
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34. no - they just say petty things about the other females behind their backs
:hide:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:45 AM
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21. But...but...but...it's tradition!!!
And we must honor any and all traditions, regardless of the cruelty inherent therein. Tradition over humanity! Tradition over sensibility! Tradition over the good of alllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:51 AM
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23. I think it's funny
That the people who argued the cultural aspect formed pretty coherent arguments, and this is the only response that you could come up with.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:09 AM
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25. Nah.
It was actually all of my time that it was worth to address (not respond to, thanks) those "pretty coherent arguments" that were allegedly made.

I think it's funny that you took the time to post this.
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:13 AM
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26. I think they were pretty coherent
nt
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:49 AM
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22. quite sick
nt
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:56 AM
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24. If they're good enough for Wilford Brimley, they're good enough for me
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 10:57 AM by no name no slogan
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/11-98/11-02-98/zzz...

Wilford Brimley thinks banning cockfighting isn't the right thing to do.
The grandfatherly actor and oatmeal pitchman attended a rally in Phoenix yesterday to voice opposition to Proposition 201, an Arizona cockfighting ban expected to pass Tuesday....

"My saddle horses are my friends," said Brimley, 64. "My dogs are my friends. Once an idea like this gets started, I don't know where it's going to end."....

...Cockfighting is legal in Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Missouri and Louisiana. Missouri voters will also consider a ban Tuesday. Brimley, who lives in Utah, says he visits Arizona to attend cockfights.



"Cockfighting. It's the right thing to do ™."
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:15 PM
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50. no way - that's unreal
he seems so gentle and kind and he wants to help us get diabetic supplies and oatmeal...

:cry:
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:23 PM
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31. OK, I take the bait. I like cockfights.
I have attended several.
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:27 PM
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32. Did you forget?
:sarcasm:
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:29 PM
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33. Nope.
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:34 PM
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35. For your sake.....
I hope you never have to suffer the anguish and pain that these animals have to go through for you to get your jollies. :cry: No creature deserves an excruciating death like that, not even someone like you.
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:37 PM
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37. I eat chickens.
You kill chickens by cutting their heads off. Hopefully you get it on one whack. Sometimes it takes too. There was once a chicken body that lived for months with a severed head. It's owner kept it alive by feeding it through its open throat. Made a bit of money in freak shows.

I hope you don't eat chicken.
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:38 PM
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38. Nope, sure don't. I don't eat any animals. nt
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:16 PM
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51. That was the original idea behind kosher and halal foods
You kill the animal quickly and as painlessly as possible and drain all the blood from it before it is eaten. Yeah, it's still gruesome, but there's a reason why that's in the Bible and Quran: you don't want to subject the animal to a slow, painful and overly cruel death.

Unfortunately our modern industrial food processing methods have lost touch with that reality.
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:35 PM
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36. well - i thought we could all agree - i was wrong
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 01:35 PM by RPM
:popcorn:
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:05 PM
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39. Surprisingly, you were...
That poster seems to have disappeared, though.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:10 PM
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40. I'm still here
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:13 PM
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41. Great. I see you have plenty to add to the discussion.
:sarcasm:
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:57 PM
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45. Why do you like watching cockfights?
I'm curious. No flaming response is waiting in the wings.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:48 PM
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47. Well, there was gambling involved
However, they are beautiful animals. Plus I like hanging out with my friends and their families. Its nice to step outside of your own culture for awhile (the fights I have been to have been in Mexico).

Finally, there is something exciting and visceral about watching something where there is a fight to the death. I'm a fan of human bloodsports also because it kinda strips away the phoniness of everyday life.
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:18 PM
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49. thanks for replying
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 04:18 PM by bertha katzenengel
If you want REAL bloodsport, spend a night in my backyard. Something dies out there every night.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:07 PM
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48. It's banned in 47 states....
...as extreme animal cruelty. What kind of person enjoys that :cry:
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Saphire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:29 PM
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42. Horrible, but very big here in south texas.
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SkipNewarkDE Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:32 PM
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43. Anything between two consenting males is fine...
... oh wait, we aren't talking about gay sex, are we?
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KFC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:42 PM
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44. Saw cockfights in Puerto Rico
I went out of curiosity since it is legal there. They had them in a pretty big modern, air-conditioned arena. The spurs were made of plastic, not metal, and were secured to the legs with tape and hot wax. They would shake stuffed (toy) roosters at the cocks right before the fight to fire them up. Saw 5 or 6 fights - pretty vicious, but I don't think any cocks died. Some definitely got hurt and some just seemed to give up. It was actually kind of boring after seeing one or two fights.

I agree that it is cruel, but bullfights seem worse to me. I think they alwzays kill the bull.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:00 PM
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46. Same perversion, different animal. (nt)
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