If that's tofu, I'm going to have to find another source of protein.

[bertha katzenengel]

The cafe offered a tofu pesto wrap. I was about to order egg salad, but saw that and grabbed my first opportunity to try tofu.

:puke:

Please, veggies, PLEASE tell me that there's a tofu preparation out there that won't turn my stomach.

[flvegan]

1. Lots of 'em. Just like anything else, if it's poorly seasoned or

prepared, it's not going to taste good.

[bertha katzenengel]

4. Well, that's good to hear . . . but is it all so mushy and

fall-apart-y? :shudder:

[Taverner]

2. Tofu is like egg whites

Doesn't taste like ANYTHING.

So it all depends on what you cook it with. Personally, I like doing stir fries with mine, and throwing in a ton of garlic. Then the Tofu tastes like garlic.

[bertha katzenengel]

3. But the CONSISTENCY!

:puke:!! It was like watery cottage cheese, and each little curd just broke down smaller and smaller.

Maybe this was a bad batch?

[Taverner]

6. Well try the Extra Firm Tofu

It's a bit more, well, firm.

It also doesnt fall apart in a stir fry.

[LeftyMom]

8. There are differnent textures of tofu

I buy firm or extra firm and I usually freeze and thaw it (gites it a firmer texture) and then press the water out, which gives it a texture a little softer than cooked chicken breast. Some brands are better than others, too.

That said, I prefer seitan to tofu.

[XemaSab]

10. Seitan's good stuff

Seitan stir fry, you can't go wrong.

[bertha katzenengel]

11. Never heard of seitan.

Oh, what an education I'm getting.

[Cassandra]

15. I believe it's wheat gluten.

You really wanted to know that, didn't you? It sounds like you had soft tofu; as others said, firm or extra firm might be more your speed if the texture is a problem. I'm not a huge fan of tofu, but with sesame sauce it's pretty good.

[BeTheChange]

21. Wheat gluten has no *usable* protein..

it can be very tasty, but should not be thought of as a source of protein.

*edited to clarify*

[arissa]

22. Umm, wheat gluten IS protein

5 entries found for gluten.
glu·ten Audio pronunciation of "gluten" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gltn)
n.

A mixture of plant proteins occurring in cereal grains, chiefly corn and wheat, used as an adhesive and as a flour substitute.

My package of seitan lists the contents as having over 44 grams of protein.

[BeTheChange]

30. it's wheat protein..

there are different types of protein that are more readily usable by the human body.

[arissa]

32. Whether or not that is true,

I was correcting the statement that gluten "has no protein," which isn't correct - gluten not only has protein, but it IS protein.

There are many people who are intolerant to gluten, you're right about that. However, to those of us who aren't, it is a good source of protein.

Just clarifying some incorrect info. :)

[BeTheChange]

34. I guess if its not usable..

I dont really consider it a protein.. and think its dangerous to classify it as such in regards to a human diet.

[arissa]

36. It's only "not usable" if you have celiac disease

Which, granted, is more common than people think and often misdiagnosed.

But it is not unusable if you do not have celiac disease.

http://www.celiac.com/index.html

[BeTheChange]

38. Well..

I stand by the education Ive recieved that it is not a protein, regardless of coeliac's, that is efficiently used by the body. Being an exorphin, the peptides that it breaks down into arent things I want to be daily inhabitants of my body. My family in law owns a pretty successful vegetarian restaurant and this is one of their biggest concerns and rants, so Im pretty steadfast about this after hearing story upon story of coeliac's and their experiences over the last 30 years.

Obviously, you are more then welcome to disagree.. I just like to try to pass on the knowledge Ive been blessed with to any baby veggies :)

[flamingyouth]

23. Actually, seitan is quite rich in protein

http://www.truestarhealth.com/Notes/1927002.html

And oh so tasty. :woohoo:

[BeTheChange]

29. But it's a fractionated protein..

and as such isnt used very functionally by the human body.

Im not saying not to eat it, just that I wouldnt recommend existing solely on it as a protein source.

[crispini]

48. What does that mean, "fractionated"?

thanks!

[BeTheChange]

49. Its not a whole protein...

So it needs other things to help it to be utilized by the body like good doses of vitamin A and D. But true vitamin A and D are only present in animal foods. Even if you take a supplement its isnt exactly the same. Its definately better then nothing, tho. If they arent utilized they can actually leech minerals and calcium from your system there have been studies done on asian women who followed vegetarian diets high in fractionated proteins. Id have to look through our library to find them as google isnt helping me.

HTH

[arissa]

75. Just a couple points

I feel compelled to clarify.

First, you're right, "true vitamin A" is not found in plant foods, but that's a good thing, not a bad thing. Actual vitamin A can reach toxic levels in humans if consumed too much. Beta-carotene, which is the precursor to vitamin A and also the "form" of vit. A found in plant foods, is much safer because your body will only convert as much beta-carotene into vit. A as it needs - thus not running the risk of toxicity.

All diets are lacking in vitamin D unless supplemented foods are consumed, and vitamin D is added to everything nowadays (even the vit. D in milk is added, not found naturally, and there are just as many plant foods supplemented with vit. D as there are animal foods supplemented with it). Your body will produce vit. D when your skin is exposed to the sun, and this is how it was primarily obtained by humans for eons. Nowadays we spend all day indoors and use sunscreen, etc, so it has only become a problem because of our modern lifestyles - but vit. D was never intended as something you need to find in your diet, at least in my opinion.

Many studies have been published that found that vegans, especially raw food vegans, had "markedly higher" vitamin D levels than meat-eaters.

http://www.rawfoodinfo.com/articles/art_rawfoodveganshealthy.html

Fontana expected the vegans to have low vitamin D levels because they avoid dairy products, which are fortified with the vitamin. But in fact their vitamin D levels were "markedly higher" than average.

Vitamin D is made by the skin when the body is exposed to sunlight and is key to keeping strong bones.

"These people are clever enough to expose themselves to sunlight to increase their concentrations of vitamin D," Fontana said.

Finally, I've spent a lot of time in the nutrition field and I've never heard anything to corroborate your claim about gluten's unavailability to the human body, except in celiacs. I can't say for sure, but I think you may be confusing what happens to victims of celiac disease and assuming the same applies to all people.

I'm not looking for an argument, I just wanted to get "the other side" out there. I hope you don't take offense. :)

[BeTheChange]

83. Just curious..

then what exactly do you make of the exorphins and their high levels in fractionated proteins like wheat gluten and soy isolates?

Im not confusing Coeliac's and obviously, we can disagree.. but I do wonder how you justify the links between fractionated proteins and things like autism, coeliac's, osteoporosis and various stomach ailments.

Im not saying its the devil.. but I do not think it is good to say that it should be a major source of protein in a vegetarian/vegan's diet.

[arissa]

88. I can't answer until we're on the same page with terminology

"fractionated" is a process that some foods go through when being prepared by the manufacturer. It's not something that is regularly done to seitan, I've really only seen it on labels for protein bars whose quality is highly questionable.

Point being, it's a process that food processors use, it's not the natural way that wheat gluten is found, nor is it the common way wheat gluten is consumed.

So either you're mistaken about wheat gluten being "fractionated," or there's another term for what you're looking for?

[BeTheChange]

101. Are you serious?

I think maybe we are on two different planes of information.

Here is a picture for you, its the best I can find.:



I'm not going to continue to argue with you. I've said my spiel, I hope people will research exorphins, I hope they will look at all fractionated proteins and make decisions for themselves based upon what feels right to them. Id love people to be more aware of the research that is being done regarding autism, arthritis, osteoporosis, schizophrenia and gluten.

But in the end it is up to all of us to make the best decisions.

Good luck to you on your journey.

[arissa]

122. You do realize that wheat gluten is not flour, right?

I think we are on two different planes of information. You can buy high-gluten flour, which is perhaps what you're talking about, but "wheat gluten" is not flour. Sorry.

[BiggJawn]

99. But is it more harmful that a big, greasy fried pork fritter?

That's a form of Protein, too.

Everybody has to find what works for them. Now, Bertha might find that she just LOVES Seitan, and it loves her. That's not a bad thing, is it?

Can't be any worse than that "Macrobiotic" bullshit my first wife was starving my daughter with when she was in grade school. Geeze, that kid had all sorts of shit wrong with her that got better every summer when she'd visit me and get a balanced diet...

[BeTheChange]

102. I never said it was..

I simply said I wouldnt make it a main part of the protein in my diet. Ive said that repeatedly.

[BiggJawn]

104. Well, OK then.

I can't recall anyone here suggesting that Bertha MAKE it the main protein in her diet.

You also said repeatedly that it's a "fractionated" protein, and useless to most people.

So don't eat it.

[BeTheChange]

107. I dont eat it often..

yes, I did indeed say that it is a fractionated protein. I responded to the questions others asked in regards to my inital post regarding the subject. It isnt as if Im just popping up everywhere talking about wheat gluten. I responded to questions and comments directed at my comment.

I felt it important to make a distinction due to my experience with what I feel is a misconception. You dont have to agree with it.

Do you guys own stock in vital gluten or something?

[BiggJawn]

110. Just got to get that last word in, don't you?

Fine. Have at it.

And may I ask, without sounding as insulting, if *YOU* "own stock" in vital gluten's competition?

[LeftyMom]

24. it's made with wheat gluten

like tofu it has almost no taste on it's own, but it usually comes pre-seasoned and the texture is much firmer and rather reminiscent of chicken. I like to make fajitas, chili and casseroles with it.

Tempeh is another meat subsitute with decent texture to it. It stir fries pretty well.

[mzteris]

39. Do you have any recommendations for

cooking Tempeh ?? I tried it and it didn't turn out very well.

(Same thing with seitan - no luck. And that made me very - um - gassy - if you'll pardon me.)

[LeftyMom]

44. I don't use it much

but I've stir fried it with good results.

[IntravenousDemilo]

51. Mmmm, tempe...

Saute it in olive oil with some sauerkraut (to taste). Delicious, and sauerkraut's pretty cheap -- cheaper then tempe, anyway. There's this organic market called the Big Carrot here in T.O. that sells it. You can even eat it cold afterwards (it's actually better the next day), so make some for leftovers.

[Bridget Burke]

5. Try tofu at a good Thai place...

Or a restaurant serving cuisine from any country where they know how to fix it.

I'm not vegetarian but tofu can be quite tasty.

[livetohike]

7. Some things made with tofu just don't work

too bad this had to be your first experience :-(.

There are some good recipes here:

http://www.tofu.com

[hecate77]

9. Typically, don't get tofu at a place that specializes in meat dishes

They usually have no clue as to how to season it. They simply substitute plain tofu for whatever they would have put in the sandwich/meal.

Go to a real vegetarian restaurant and try some things. Many really good Indonesian and Indian dishes are vegetarian, using Tempeh and tofu as a main protein source.

There are many, many forms of soy protein that are very tasty, including tempeh, properly seasoned and prepared tofu, etc. For another variety of soy protein, also look in your frozen food section for some of the soy substitute burgers, sausages, etc. Morningstar Farms and Bocca make some pretty good ones. Again, you have to try several different ones to find those that appeal to you. Not every person's attempt at soy or tofu will appeal to every person, just like not every cut of meat, or way to prepare eggs will appeal to every person.

Tofu is basically a tasteless carrier for seasonings, so it you don't season it, it can be very unpalatable, especially if there is no attempt to deal with the texture of the raw tofu itself. Just serving up a slab of tofu on a sandwich is not how vegetarians eat!

I am not a vegetarian myself, but I don't eat much meat and do eat a lot of soy based dishes. My partner is more of a meat eater than I am, and I don't like cooking separate meals for us, so we sometimes have meat, sometimes soy, and we have found ways for both of us to like it.

[bertha katzenengel]

18. With what you and others have written, I have some ammo for my

complaint to the cafe staff. After a week as a vegetarian I already realize they're clueless.

Thank you very much for the reply, hecate.

[Squatch]

12. bananana-tofu milk shake with

rum. Lots of rum. Preferably the kind with alcohol in it.

[Rainbowreflect]

13. Get baked tofu at your local health food store.

It can be used is stir-fry, wraps, whatever & they have all kinds of flavors.

[Elad]

14. Tofu is fantastic, it just has to be prepared correctly.

It wasn't until about a year after I went vegetarian that I finally figured out how to cook tofu. Most restaurants that don't specialize in vegetarian or Asian cooking make it horribly as well.

It's really delicious though when prepared well, but it takes a little effort to learn how to use all the different kinds and how to cook them all to get the desired effect.

[ceile]

16. Any Chinese food made w/ tofu is generally good.

Usually prepared in a brown sauce w/ veggies. YUM!

[Rob H.]

17. Try a Vietnamese or Thai restaurant

There's a Vietnamese restaurant about a half-hour away from me that makes tofu stir-fried in lemongrass and other spices, and oh. my. God. It's delicious. It's nicely crunchy on the outside, but depending on who's in the kitchen it can be anywhere from, "Ooh, that's pretty spicy" to "Uh-oh--I think my head's about to explode."

[elshiva]

19. boca burgers are great!

[Kathleen04]

20. Was this a

cold wrap?..tofu doesn't go well w/ cold food, IMO.

[bertha katzenengel]

71. Yep. Cold tomato tortilla, pesto, lettuce, tomato, and little pieces

of (apparently plain) white tofu. Live & learn.

[BeTheChange]

25. Poor thing..

Im still a semi carnivore, but my husband is a vegetarian. I love to cook, so Ive made it my mission to find tasty foods for him that are healthy.

I hated tofu for a couple years.. then I started to learn how to prepare it and often, I enjoy it more then any meat.

There are basically 3 types of tofu I see in most markets, Nigari- which is a good meat subtitute and I recommend in firm or extra firm, silken.. which comes in a box and is not refridgerated, this is for soups and shakes.. however, I really enjoy it pan fried in thai and indian dishes. It is the closest I can get it to the tofu Ive had at great restaurants. The trick is to pan fry it in very very little oil. I actually prefer using nonstick with just a spray of olive oil. Pan fry at a medium heat so that it gets nice and golden and shrinks. Do not cover it, get as much water out of it as possible. I like to add bbq sauce to the pan and make bbq sandwiches sometimes too.. I thicken almost all my chowdery soups with silken tofu.

With the firm or extra firm, I prefer to freeze it, then squeeze as much water as possible out of it. I slice it 1/4-1/2 inch thick and bread it then pan fry it, or bake it and use it in tofu parm, tofu cutlets with lipton's beefy onion gravy (there is no beef in it :), mashed taters and veggies for a nice comfort food meal. I also use the firm in lasagna in place of ricotta, I usually mix a little mozzerella, garlic and spinach in with it. It's also good in stirfries and indian dishes. Sometimes, I chop it up into little squares and fry or bake the heck out of it to make a mock chicken noodle soup with it. The only time I ever use it raw is when I make tofu salad, I add mayo, relish, sunflower seeds, dill, celery salt, finely chopped red onion, a squeeze of yellow mustard and a dash of garlic.

However, dont dispair if you just dont like tofu. You can also buy bulk soybeans at natural food stores and make soybean patties, or soybeans and rice, soybeans in chili, etc. If you can find Quorn, give it a try. It's amazing! I try to stay away from all the other boca/morningstar farms stuff because its so processed I just dont know how healthful it really is. Also, tempeh can be really amazing. They sell smoked tempeh that makes great blts. You can put tempeh in stir fries.

Eating out will always be challenging.. never order a tofu dish from a carnivore restaurant.

[bertha katzenengel]

72. Be, I really appreciate your lengthy reply and the suggestions.

I especially liked hearing that there's a product that's "beefy" and has no beef; I've been wondering what I'd use as the base from now on for french onion soup! Thank you!

Quorn, eh? Hmm. So many suggestions!

[BeTheChange]

86. www.quorn.com

Quorn is a mycoprotein, which is an excellent source of protein. I cant eat mushrooms, personally.. and this tastes nothing like a mushroom. It is truly the most meatlike substance Ive found.

Also, I think the liptons french onion soup mix also is bereft of animal products.. I know a couple years back that they did put trace amounts of "natural flavorings" which could or could not consist of animal products.. but I thought I heard that they stopped this recently. My vegetarian isnt completely militant, he will eat jello, or fish sauce at thai restaurants in curries.. he just prefers not to if at all possible.

However, the Fantastic Food brand is definately 100% natural and animal free.

[WCGreen]

26. Don't eat it ToFu is ground up people......

[bertha katzenengel]

42. No, honey, that's Soylent Green.

ToFu is actually the livers of reconstituted cricket fossils.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

27. I do a mean strogonoff with soybean protein

It has the consistency of meat, perhaps just a wee bit softer. It's sold dry (looks like dog food when dry) and you leave it 30 minutes in lukewarm water to make it "meaty". From there on it's just like beef or chicken strogonoff.

I'm sure there's a specific name for this thing in English, but damned if I know what.

[yewberry]

28. Textured vegetable protein?

TVP?

Fun stuff.

[Gothic Sponge]

31. Forget all that tofu crap!

Just eat beef! Our lord gave us red meat so we could have the energy to kill all those damn commie bastards in the world! Stop hating America! :mad:


;)

18 year vegetarian here. :hi:

[flvegan]

35. *snort*

[BikeWriter]

37. I eat my red meat raw and I haven't killed any...

damn commie bastards in years! ;)
59 year old carnivore here.

[Old_Fart]

94. Do you rip it right out of the cow or buy it?

:shrug:

[BikeWriter]

111. I buy meat, but if it's my animal or I'm really hungry I'll eat it...

when I want.

[Old_Fart]

117. Just checking

I wouldn't eat raw meat if I were you but I am not you. Have you heard of mad cow disease?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

118. Cooking beef doesn't get rid of the mad cow

Doesn't matter if it's raw or well done.

So I've heard anyway...

[Old_Fart]

119. "I didn't know that"

I guess I will be eating Boca products from here on out.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

123. Consumer Reports backs that up

From ConsumerReports.org:

"What is mad cow disease?

Mad cow disease is one of several similar fatal brain diseases known as transmissible spongiform encephalopathies, or TSEs. The name is based on their main effect: The infected brain eventually becomes riddled with spongelike holes. In people, the disease is called Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, or CJD; in cows, it's called mad cow disease; in sheep, it's scrapie; and in deer and elk, chronic wasting disease. All are believed to be caused by a mutant protein, or prion, that can apparently induce normal proteins to mimic its shape. Evidence suggests that the disease can jump from species to species when a diseased animal is eaten. Cooking meat until it's well done will protect against bacteria but not infectious prions, which are so highly resistant to heat they can't be destroyed by cooking."

[Montauk6]

33. Simple quickie snack

Slice some firm tofu, slice some Cracker Barrel sharp, nuke it, and mmmmm. It's like mac and cheese. In fact, you could sub some extra firm with the mac noodles and bake some tofu and cheese, it's quite tasty actually.

[enigmatic]

40. Try TVP

I love the stuff, and I'm a confirmed carnivore:

http://waltonfeed.com/self/tvp.html

[bertha katzenengel]

43. cool. i was wondering how i was going to make my chili

:hi:

[LeftyMom]

45. gimme lean sausage style makes great chili nt

[bertha katzenengel]

41. You all rock. Thanks so much for all the replies!!

:yourock:

[China_cat]

46. Tofu has no taste of its own

and rarely a texture you want in your mouth. It will pick up flavors of whatever it's prepared with but will still taste faintly of zuccini.

[WhollyHeretic]

47. Tofu is all in how you prepare it

Most restaurants prepare it terribly, they barely cook or flavor it. Try the extra firm and if you want a tougher consistency try baking it. I make tofu stir fry and I bake the tofu pieces for a while with some sesame seeds before I throw them in with the rest of the stir fry. You can also cut it up and freeze it before you cook it, that gives it a stringier texture.

Seitan is easy and very cheap to make. Basically it's just 1 part water to 1 part wheat gluten. (example 1 cup water:1 cup wheat gluten) I usually add some spices when I'm mixing it. You knead it for a little while but then you keep pulling the dough apart for a few minutes to give it a good texture. It makes a great shishkabob.

[Dastard Stepchild]

50. Oh dear.... never jump right into tofu....

So many well meaning almost-vegetarians turned away from the life by trying tofu just a few months too soon. :)

Stick with Boca products for now. Maybe a few veggie burgers, some faux riblets... try those, get used to the meatless alternatives, THEN try tofu.

Tofu, cooked, is always better than tofu not cooked.

And avoid the tempeh for now. Just take my word on that. :)

[Pobeka]

52. I had some with the consistency of hummus, and it was curried.

I can't tell you the name of it, it was at a friend's house and it was a great dip for chips. Pretty good chance it was purchased at Trader Joe's.

[enigami]

53. Fuck it. Eat beef

Tastes GOOD

Tofu reminds me of the shit I scrape from under my toenails (toe jam)

[flvegan]

54. Which also tastes like shit if done wrong.

[enigami]

55. What tastes like shit

Beef or toe jam?

[flvegan]

56. Well,

I've never had toe jam, so I'll go with beef (tasting like shit if done wrong). Why, and where did toe jam come into the equation?

[enigami]

57. reread my post

I edited

[flvegan]

63. Aha, thanks for letting me know.

Well, again, I've never had toe jam. However, since you appear to be quite the toe jam gourmet, I'll defer to you.

Are you always this clever and insightful? Just wondering...

[enigami]

78. Yes n/t

Of course since I wouldn't eat tofu, I would never eat toe jam.

[flvegan]

97. Yet, you're an expert.

Is toe jam a fruit? I mean, you know...jam...maybe it's only fruity if it's yours. I dunno.

[WhollyHeretic]

65. Oh yes, dead animal carcasses are so much more appealing.

[bertha katzenengel]

67. What an erudite response.

Do you think I'd be looking for alternative sources of protein if I were interested in eating meat?

BTW, I think you're the first person I've ever heard of who eats toe jam.

[El Fuego]

58. One word: Porterhouse.

[enigami]

60. Thats my kind of language

Rib Eye, by God!

[flvegan]

68. I hear crickets chirping, toe jam boy...

Hello?

[bertha katzenengel]

69. He got hungry.

He's sitting on the toilet lid with a nail file in one hand and a foot in the other.

[flvegan]

73. Oh, snap.

bk, handing out the menu, talking 'bout the specials. Toe jam flambe, party of one.

[bertha katzenengel]

74. thank you, thank you

I'm here all week. We perform in a meat-free environment, people. No outside food, and closed toed shoes are required.

[enigami]

76. Tofu= Toe jam

Just sayin. Eat some real food for god sakes. Yes, even crickets would be better for ya.

[bertha katzenengel]

81. Sigh.

Maybe it's just me, but I thought most liberals were accepting of alternate lifestyles - like vegetarianism - to the point of refusing to say "the way I live is better."

Has the current president's arrogance begun to pollute us all?

[enigami]

82. It's just food dude

and a little fun. eat what you want K. chill

[Spider Jerusalem]

85. um...this is apparently a fairly recent lifestyle change, no?

And "vegtarianism" is not "veganism"; dairy and fish (if you're comfortable eating them) would help with your protein requirements.

There's also firm tofu (sold in stores, it is, usually in the organic/health foods section)...I'd recommend getting some and trying it in stir-fry or something similar (it's quite excellent with soy sauce and just a dash of sesame oil, along with whatever vegetables you want to add).

[bertha katzenengel]

116. Yes - I'm nine days in.

I do eat dairy and eggs. I'm not sure about fish yet. I've had it since I started, but I'm not sure I can continue. Thanks for your reply, Spider.

[enigami]

90. I hear Crickets

perhaps he is supplementing his diet.

[JPJones]

59. I'm going to try to make Tofu fajitas tomorrow

Any advice? I got the extra firm Tofu. I'm going to soak it the marinade for about 5 hours (maybe overnight).

[enigami]

61. Add some toe jam for flavor .

yukkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[flvegan]

66. Psst...

you already used that joke. It's possible that someone found it funny. I've heard worse from better. However, it's likely that most folks probably said, "jeez, that person is really hung up on the flavor of toe jam. what's up with that?" or "why is that poster suggesting the use of copious amounts of toe jam? that's pretty sick!"

Just an fyi for you...

[enigami]

77. not sicker than tofu, tofu boy

eat some meat already. It is fucking with your head man.

[flvegan]

91. Man, Idiot U let the kids out early today.

Mad Cow, maaaaan.

on edit, deleted roundabout way of calling poster "dipshit" as it's in violation of the posting rules, and I know better. Sorry.

[Name removed]

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[flvegan]

95. A little fun?

Yeah, guess I missed that with your umpteen insulting posts. But hey, if this is the highlight of your week, have at it. Enjoy your "little fun." Oh, hey, enjoy it with a side of toe jam. You'll have to let us know if it's a good vintage. Nobody else here seems to know what that's quite like. But, whatever.

It's not so funny when nobody laughs, is it?

Cry elsewhere.

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[flvegan]

98. Congrats on the come back! Woo hoo! You've nailed it!

Original, never used before. Nice. If the splash was smaller, it'd be a perfect dive.

Angry? Sounds it.

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[flvegan]

103. Angry? Hell, I'm laughing!

At you. So many "fuck you's" in one evening. No really, it's okay. Toe jam is funny when you're eating it, I'm sure. Or when you compare it to something, as you know what it's like to eat it, or...something. Personally, the very idea is gross. But, to each his/her own. You don't like tofu, which is cool. You like toe jam, which is also cool, I guess. More toe jam for you, as you can have my share.

[enigami]

106. go back to GD

you aren't cut out for the lounge

[flvegan]

108. I spend lots of time in The Lounge, actually.

You might know that if...well...you know...

[WhollyHeretic]

64. I would bake the tofu pieces for about 7-10 minutes

at 350 (put a little oil on the pan before you bake it) and then put it in the frying pan with whatever vegetables you're cooking.

[bertha katzenengel]

70. What's the marinade?

*scribbling furiously*

[48pan]

62. Tofu is only as good as the flavor that surrounds it...

Try some hot and sour soup at your local Chinese restaurant. It has tofu and other weird stuff and it tastes great.

[realms]

79. herbalist

I have a good recipe for tofu. I used to have it quite often. I since replaced it with hemp protein.
http://www.nutiva.com/products/0_protein.php

My first clue that it was worthy was when National Geographic did a article about the people of Hunza, with a picture of a native grinding the seeds into a paste.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

80. Tofu in brick/slab/cubed form makes me gag...

I have been a vegetarian for over 15 years and I still cannot tolerate tofu in its unadorned natural block form, be it baked, fried, or as a substitute such as in "egg" salad. It just does not work for me.

So I keep my veggie protein in forms such as TVP meat analogs -- tofu pups, burgers, ground "meat", chik patties, pepperoni, and such. In fact, I just finished a Morningstar Farms Parmasaen chik patty -- and it was damn good.

As suggested above, try it as many ways as possible -- you just might come across one that works for you. If not, Boca/Morningstar/Ives are your friends. :)

[enigami]

84. like I said

Toe Jam.

Just kidding, jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

87. There are like 5 billion DELICIOUS ways to have tofu. Fried, steamed,

etc. etc. etc. Chinese food alone has like a billion of these.

As I grew up eating tofu in various types of cooked dishes, I never really understood why people ate raw tofu in salads. :shrug:

[WhollyHeretic]

92. The best tofu I've ever had is from a Chinese restaurant near me

I had some for the first time in a couple months last night, it was so good. I wish I had some leftovers now.

[undeterred]

89. reminds me of those styrofoam pellets

not something I really want to put in my mouth

[6th Borough]

105. I'm no Veggie OR Vegan, but drop the Tofu; plain ol' Soybeans are yummy!

Well, you can still have Tofu too, of course. I've just found that most people haven't actually eaten the vegetable it's actually made from.

Buy a heap of Soybeans and cook em like chick peas. They LOOK like a dry veggy, like lima beans (EEECH!), but they aren't at all.

Soy beans are freaking delicious!

[BikeWriter]

113. Uh, do soy beans taste good cooked with smoked ham hocks?

[6th Borough]

109. Oh, I forgot: Tofu Lasagna.

...assuming you can whip up a decent Lasagna in the 1st place.

The Tofu needs to be ground up to a consistancy resembling wet, tub-packaged ricotta cheese.

Substitute the Tofu for the beef, and, if you want to go so far...for the cheese as well. If you replace both, definitly add either spinach or broccoli.

[BikeWriter]

112. Tofu... I'm going to have to try some of this shit. How do you...

kill it?

[6th Borough]

114. With a shotgun and chewing gum...and I'm all out of chewing gum.

[BikeWriter]

115. Uh oh.

[henslee]

120. Dont write off tofu yet!!!!! Ever have tofu cream cheese w/veggies

in it? Yum. True, you have to prepare tofu correctly and that means starting with the right kind. Also you may want to try Whey protein.... great in a shake,vanilla flavored.

[4_Legs_Good]

121. I used to hate tofu too, but recently I found a health food store/deli

that prepares it very deliciously. Keep trying around, you'll find something...

david

[DBoon]

124. No gristle in tofu, no bone, no really gross fat stuff

I'd much rather have tofu instead of the crap that passes for meat most times