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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 07:51 PM
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Why do freepfucks always bring up the bombing of the USS Cole?
I mean...even if Clinton SLEPT..the Cole resulted in the loss of 17 lives if I am not mistaken. Why on earth would they use the loss of 17 troops to justify the loss of nearly 2000 troops? Or all the people in the WTC when Bush was on vacation and ignored all the warnings?
(this thread is in response to posts I read by a now tombstoned brain dead freeper)
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 07:56 PM
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1. Remember the Cole
We never forgot.

My question is, "Remember WMD?"

Nobody over there seems to remember that.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 07:56 PM
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2. They love to use it as an example of Clinton's
"incompetence" in a military-type situation. Without fail, my freepfuck idiot RW relative brings up the Cole whenever I mention Bush's nonresponse to warnings about 9/11.

I think they get it from an e-mail.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 07:59 PM
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3. Funny..I always ask how many troops died in Bosnia and Kosovo?
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 08:00 PM
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4. And when he gets really stuck for an answer
he invariably comes out with, "Well, all politicians are crooked." to end the conversation. :eyes:
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 08:02 PM
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5. Your next line should be
"SO you admit Bush is a crooked lying, incompetent thief?"
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 08:03 PM
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7. Lol!
No, but I should.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 08:02 PM
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6. Clinton was about to leave office so

perhaps he thought Dubya would take care of investigating the Cole bombing. Perhaps he didn't want to start something that Dubya would have to finish -- like Poppy had started the mess in Somalia for Clinton to be blamed for.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 08:12 PM
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12. But they don't know when it happened
Ask a freeper when the Cole was bombed and you'll get an answer that ranges from 1993 to 1999. When you say it was one week before the 2000 election and all the evidence was handed to Bush on day 1 of the junta and Bush did absolutely nothing with it...they get that stupid ass look on their face...like this one...

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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 08:04 PM
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8. Because they don't have any foundation
to base their assertions on so they got to make up shit to try to prove their point.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 08:05 PM
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9. Cuz they don't know Halliburton was in charge of logistics and refueling
thanks to Cheney's privatization of those services when he was Sec. of Defense.

That's why I think the Cole bombing could have happened on purpose.

The evidence that it was a Bin Laden act didn't come out till January and Clinton specifically wanted Bush to make the decision to respond because it would be Bush that had to carry out the mission. Remember Poppy starting up Somalia and handing it to Clinton when it's always easy to invade or attack, but, difficult to carry through to an exit strategy or nation build.
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 08:10 PM
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10. because they fear the Clenis?
:shrug:
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WMliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 08:11 PM
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11. the better counterexample is reagan and the marines in Lebanon.
Then Saint Ronnie of Raygun chickened out and pulled the troops from town in response.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 08:20 PM
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13. The bombing of the Cole resulted in the plans for an invasion of
Edited on Wed Jul-06-05 08:21 PM by ET Awful
Afghanistan and elimination of bin Laden, which plan was presented by Richard Clarke to the incoming administration and promptly ignored. This plan was prepared and finalized in December of 2000.

The plan consisted of using special operations teams, airstrikes, etc. Many of the concepts in this plan were used during the post-9/11 invasion.

Had the Bush administration followed the plans which the Clinton administration developed in response to the Cole, 9/11 would not have happened.

The fact is that the bombing of the Cole happened less than 2 months before Clinton left office. When Bush took office, he did NOTHING in response to the Cole and pursued no course of action remotely related to it until after 9/11.

The reason that Clinton did not implement the plan is because he had the common courtesy to not leave the incoming administration with a situation comparable to what he was left with by George HW Bush in Mogadishu.

Any freeptard who tries to use the Cole as justification is completely ignorant of reality.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 08:24 PM
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14. Your last sentence explains the problem
with kool-aid drinking freeptards. As far as the * cabal goes, they know exactly what they are doing.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 09:18 PM
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15. More to the point, the Cole was that skipper's fault
When you pull into a hostile port like Aden, you need to blow up a rowboat and stick two guys with a grenade launcher in it.

One quick high-explosive grenade on the floor of the terrorists' boat would have put an immediate end to that Cole incident.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 09:20 PM
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16. The American Investigators Were Made To Leave. They Weren't Supposed
Edited on Wed Jul-06-05 09:32 PM by cryingshame
to be carrying weapons.

That's a fact.

The investigators were made to leave for a bogus reason.

Wonder if Poppy had something to do with that.

Edit- can't find links to investigators being thrown out.

But plenty on how hard it was to work with Yemen.
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Pharlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 09:32 PM
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19. Frontline had an informative piece on this -
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 09:40 PM
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20. that was an interesting piece, but not reliable
the sources of info were all official sources, and I didn't find them trustworthy at all.

Frances Townsend was the main source in that piece, and she now is Bush's terror czar.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 09:42 PM
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21. They were extremely eager to pin it on bin Laden. Some suspects escaped
any links would be appreciated.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 09:48 PM
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22. I saw the piece as an attempt to explain the John O'Neill story
the very unlikely John O'Neill story.

#1 investigator of bin Laden, forced out of FBI in summer of 2001, then dies in the WTC on 9/11, his first day at his new job as head of security fo the WTC?

I'm surprised there's been only one piece exploring this impossible coincidence.
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Pharlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 09:24 PM
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17. Their options are limited.
LAX New Year's 2000 - Clinton success vs Bush's 9/11.

Oklahoma City Bombing and Waco: Neo Con Fundamentalism gone awry.

Rwanda = Darfur: US presence noticeable by its absence.

Bosnia-Herzegovenia and Screbernicia: LMAO - I mean, REALLY, can you imagine your typical Freeper trying to spell and/or pronounce either?

Compare to: Cole - A simple, single syllable word. (Added convenience of having Al Queada connections and occurring during Clinton tenure.)


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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 09:30 PM
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18. First off: Freepers think 9/11 WAS Clinton's fault.
I suppose those meetings and those memos directed to the Bush Administration from the Clinton administration regarding the seriousnsess of terrorist threats were a figment of the lefts' collective imagination.

Second, can you even begin to imagine the uproar on the right if Clinton HAD launched a major attack? He would have left a brand new administration with a war on its hands! We'd still be hearing about it....oh wait, we still are, aren't we? :eyes:
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