The grave plight of Quebec

[JVS]

Poll question: The grave plight of Quebec

So what do you think?

[Feathered Fish]

1. Where in the hell did you pull this out of yer head?

It just seems so random.

[JVS]

2. This is a matter of major concern to me.

[Feathered Fish]

3. oki doki

(smiling and nodding)

[JVS]

6. Do you not agree that this is an issue of critical importance.

At least as important as the idea of nuclear war!

[u4ic]

4. Anyone who gives the world poutine

should be mercilessly tortured.

:D

[JVS]

5. But it is delicious

[AspenRose]

19. Hey, Poutine ROCKS!

So does smoked meat....mmmmmmmmmmm

:9

[auntAgonist]

39. Montreal smoked meat and poutine!!!!!!!!!

yuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeee

[brainshrub]

7. I know nothing about Canadian history or culture, but since when

Do people from Quebec feel oppressed?

[JVS]

8. Since the Plains of Abraham!

[glarius]

25. Really?....well....in the latest polls the vast majority of the population

said they want to stay as a part of Canada?...Explain that.

[Swede]

26. Forget it glarius.

JVS wants to destroy Canada for some imagined insults.

[glarius]

28. I don't know where he's from but he's no Quebecer.....did you see

on his post #12 where he says "the true bon-vivant pronounces it kweef-bec?"....hahaha

[Swede]

29. Yeah,he's probably from Muncie,Indiana

But he sure hates Canada.

[JVS]

30. I only hate the occupation

Freedom for Quebec!

[Swede]

32. What occupation?

Why don't you go there some time.

[JVS]

33. I've been there

And until the occupation which crushes French culture and subdues the people to the will of Ontario stops, I will remain opposed to the occupation

[glarius]

41. This is the most ridiculous, ill-informed thing I have ever read about

Quebec.....It's so silly....to say that Quebec people are subdued to the will of Ontario (whatever the hell that means) is beyond comprehension....I think you need to find another cause....This one is laughable.....

[JVS]

47. You just don't like to face up to the uncomfortable truth

[glarius]

50. What uncomfortable truth??????

Your bewildering statement comparing Quebec and the rest of Canada to what happened in the Soviet Union just shows your complete ignorance of Canadian history....Are you not aware of the fact that there have always been many Anglophones in Quebec?....Quebec has always been a province in Canada....I don't think I'll bother answering any more of your silly statements....Like I said before I think you should look for a new cause....One that's real...Your're just making yourself look silly on this one.....:boring:

[JVS]

51. Quebec was once part of New France and answered to no Englishman!

[glarius]

54. All of North America once belonged to the aboriginals....Are you willing

to go that far back?....Where did you get that line?..."Quebec was once part of New France and answered to no Englishman!"....It sounds like something from an old Cecil B. DeMille movie.....:boring:

[JVS]

56. You are the one that foolishly asserted that Quebec was always part of...

Canada. I was merely showing your statement to be false

[glarius]

57. You are WRONG again!

Canadian Confederation, when we officially became a country in 1867...Quebec was a part of the original joining...Other provinces joined through the years and the last one Newfoundland in 1949....NOW FIND ANOTHER CAUSE....This one is non-existant.

[RPM]

59. what about before 1867

to whom did they answer then? England or France?

[JVS]

61. France first, and then after conquest England

[glarius]

62. Who cares?....What has ancient history got to do with what is happening

today?....Sorry but I'm getting quite bored with this subject....:boring:

[JVS]

63. Ah yes, certainly we should ignore the past, because the present...

has nothing to do with the events that precede it. :eyes:

[glarius]

67. Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-Z

:boring::boring::boring::boring::boring::boring::boring::boring:

[JVS]

68. Is there a reason that you keep spamming this thread with the same post

If you are so bored, why don't you go to another thread?

[JVS]

60. And of course the union was forced on them by the English

I'm really impressed by your ability to type words in all caps.

[glarius]

64. Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-

:boring::boring::boring::boring::boring::boring::borin:boring:g::boring:

[RPM]

65. the snoring emoticons are pretty impressive too! n/t

[JVS]

66. Cicero himself could not have argued so eloquently as snoring emoticons!

[glarius]

69. At least learn how to pronounce "Quebec"....answer to Post #66

....In your post #12 you said "The true bon-vivant pronounces it kweef-bec".....Hahahaha....Actually French Canadians pronounce it k-beck, whether they're "bon-vivants" or not!
edit: This was not meant for post #65

[RPM]

71. i think JVS was making a poorly recievied Queef joke

not his best efforts...

[JVS]

72. Everyone else seemed to understand it was a joke

[glarius]

73. dupe

..In your post #12 you said "The true bon-vivant pronounces it kweef-bec".....Hahahaha....Actually French Canadians pronounce it k-beck, whether they're "bon-vivants" or not!

[JVS]

74. At least learn not to make non-consecutive double posts

I understand the occasional slip up, but to post once, have someone else reply, and then post a dupe is a mistake that is hard to achieve.

[RPM]

75. glarius - how'd you vote in the poll above anyway?

???

[glarius]

76. I didn't......It is so silly .....who could take it seriously

Nothing this guy JVS has said is noteworthy or sensible....

edit: for some reason all my posts are registering as answering a different post than what I click on....this is in answer to post #75....

[JVS]

31. A huge amount of the population is composed of Anglophones who have...

moved in. Your comparison is akin to saying that huge numbers of Latvians would not object to a resumption of the Russian occupation, while ignoring that the Soviet government moved huge numbers of ethnic Russians into Latvia after WWII. Polls that ask the occupier rather than just the occupied are a dishonest sham.

[glarius]

42. Where do you get these insane ideas?.....

Like I said before....Find a new cause...This one is a joke!

[JVS]

49. Dude, read a World Book article from the 1989 issue on Quebec and Montreal

Your denial of the bigotry and discrimination that Quebecers have faced in the past is offensive.

[glarius]

52. We're talking about Quebec TODAY!......

In the past, in ALL countries, people were mistreated, in one way or another....We have all evolved and TODAY, the people of Quebec are in control of their own culture and everything else that's important to them....AND THEY SHOW IN POLLS THAT THEY WANT TO REMAIN IN CANADA!....GET IT?
P.S...I'm not a dude...I'm a woman with French Canadian relatives living in the povince of Quebec....

[RPM]

53. I think dude is non-gender specific...

Perhaps originally it was gender specific...

But TODAY, all people get called dude...

[JVS]

55. Even today things are not set right! And it doesn't help when your side..

denies the past.

Also, post a link to your polls or STFU!

Until I see the polls I cannot say with certainty, but it is very possible that the polls include asking Anglophones. I already explained why such polls would be illegitimate. The reason being that asking an occupier how they feel about an occupation is not legitimate. We would not take the support of many Israeli settlers in the West Bank as an indicator of widespread support for Israels occupation of the West Bank, as those who are acctually occupied feel differently. Also, even if the majority of Francophones were to feel ambivalent towards the liberation of Quebec, that does not mean that it is not the right thing to pursue. Just as workers are often intimidated into not voting for unionization, so it is possible that among the Francophone community there are many who are too scared to rock the boat and claim the freedom which is rightfully theirs.

The French-Canadian culture is in great peril today as it survives merely at the whim of Canada's anglophones. While there is a current attitude of tolerance (mere tolerance) toward the culture of Quebec, there is no apparatus to guarantee the continued survival of said culture. Quebec groans under the constant assault of larger Canadian society because in order to be integrated into Canada the people find it necessary to adopt English customs and English language. One could answer that the people are free to conduct their affairs at home in their own manner. This is not an acceptable state of affairs. While you would easily grasp complaints about 'Americanization', you appear blind to the idea that being part of Canada exposes the Quebecers to 'Anglo-phonization' merely by steady exposure to the rest of Canada. The survival of the culture is too important a matter to be left up to the rest of Canada (or Greater Ontario, if you will). The reason for this is that the rest of Canada is like a simple-minded giant that is crushing its pet mouse. Even if intentions are good, the mouse will be killed. Quebec cannot survive integration into the rest of Canada and constant exposure to Canada's culture and pop-culture. In order to survive the Quebecers must have an independent and sovereign state and even then it will be necessary to fight against the influences of English-speaking North American (both Canadian and US) culture. But the independent and sovereign state is a good beginning, because it would not be conflicted in its interests as the Canadian national government currently is. Only through national sovereignty can Quebec properly address its cultural needs.

[glarius]

58. Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-

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[Zuni]

9. oh my

Hell, did you know during the 1970s the Canadian Army had to occupy Quebec because of seperatist violence? It got THAT bad.

Much of French Canada absolutely detests rule from ottawa. No joke. Google French Canadian seperatism

[JVS]

11. We shall rise up again and overcome the oppressor!

[brainshrub]

16. So how did Canada manage to diffuse the situation?

Why don't be have a Quebec version of the PLO or IRA?

[JVS]

17. FLQ!

[Zuni]

20. There have been bomb throwers and radicals

The candian army had to declare martial law in Montreal in 1974 because of a Quebecois uprising
The FLQ

[HEyHEY]

36. Not just Quebec

Any buildings across canada that were seen as possible terrorist targets were guarded by the military. AS well, the FLQ exploded over 50 bombs over a five year campaign in MOntreal targeting federalist sympathizers and english people. They also kidnapped and murdered Pierre Laporte... a prominent politician.

HEre's a pic from October 1972

[u4ic]

37. There was also a British diplomat

that was kidnapped as well - luckily he was found alive.

[CanuckAmok]

43. And you know who that solder is, right?

?

[HEyHEY]

80. one of the less talked about Mulroneys?

[DODI]

38. Two years ago we drove from Mont Tremblant to Ottawa --

about a two hour ride. There was not one sign for Ottawa! I guess they are still not buddy buddy.

[Droopy]

10. Is it Kwa-beck or Keh-beck?

[JVS]

12. The true bon-vivant pronounces it kweef-bec

[Droopy]

13. Oh, I see

lol

[glarius]

23. Wrong!!!!!

It is pronounced "kbeck" en francais.
I won't bother to comment on any of the "history" about Quebec in this thread.

[cestpaspossible]

14. Je me souviens

[JVS]

15. But what is it that you remember?

[cestpaspossible]

22. I remember

what it said on the license plates when I visited Quebec.

[Merope215]

45. When we used to go on road trips

as a family, my dad would always say that "Je me souviens" meant "I can't drive."

Seeing that license plate still makes me chuckle. :shrug:

[RPM]

70. thats awesome

I think "Garden State" must mean the same in english...

[sasquatch]

84. You remember nothing you drunken bastard

:beer:

[Taxloss]

18. Vive l'Anglophonie!

Or something.

[AspenRose]

21. For a crash course read Pierre Valliers' book

Pierre Valliers called his famous 1960s book about Quebec "White N****** of America".

I had a very good friend who grew up in Montreal in the 50's, Quebecois, but was not allowed to speak the language. He was kicked out of a department store for not speaking English as a child.

[Swede]

24. Psssst,Montreal is a FRENCH city.

Your good friend is lying to you.

[HEyHEY]

35. Not really - it's always been a half and half french/english town

well, maybe more 70/30

Montreal especially back then. Was controlled by the english and stories such as the one above were commonplace.

[Swede]

44. Half my family is from Montreal

and have never heard a single story like this.

[glarius]

46. It sounds to me like the sort of stuff the P.Q. and there ilk spread

around to get the people worked up....

[HEyHEY]

81. It's not

These kind of things happened all the time back in the day. Shit, it went both ways. I was served second in a bar once and given a dirty look when a woman heard my english accent and that was just four years ago.

[HEyHEY]

82. I've studied the history of that area

ANd lived there, I heard stories like that sometimes. Remember this is the 40s and 50s... Quebec women couldn't even vote until the 40s

[JVS]

48. Preach the truth brother HEyHEY!

Remember that Montreal used to be the indisputable big city in Canada. It was when the Francophones demanded to be treated like 1st class citizens that much of the English community took off for Toronto and made it Canada's #1 city. Before that they were dominant.

[EstimatedProphet]

27. Say what you want, Quebec City is gorgeous

and friendly people too.

[RPM]

34. especially the strippers

they are VERY friendly - so I here...

BTW JVS - the only reason i voted for continuing the occupation is because I LIKE SNIFFING MY FINGERS AFTER PICKING MY BUTT!!! :freak:

[RPM]

40. kick

:kick:

[RPM]

77. kick

:kick:

[JVS]

78. Are you trying to ignite the veritable powder-keg that is this issue?

Troublemaker!

[RPM]

79. i thought you cared

you are the leading advocate for quebec liberation, after all...

[sasquatch]

83. What do they have to worry about they're in Canada

Once the NHL starts back up they'll take out they're frustration in a Montreal Canadians hockey game.

[RPM]

85. here's hoping

hee hee hee