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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 05:46 AM
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our stupid neighbor is getting pigs
It's not difficult to overhear a conversation when one of the parties is talking in an extremely loud voice.... that's our stupid neighbor, he talks extremely loud and his voice carries easily across the driveway....

so last evening we were getting settled to watch a DVD-movie... "sh!t-head neighbor" is outside with a friend talking about how he's going to put up this fence. Nothing new about that -- but then we hear he's also going to get 2 pigs

Oh man, he has no idea what he's doing. His plan is to get two piglets, raise then for a couple of years and get them up to a couple hundred pounds....

we're not sure what the local regs are on raising pigs, but my partner is going to check it out... We do live in a rural area, and there are a couple of farms about 2 miles down the road with cows, chickens and pigs

meanwhile -- "sh!t-head" goes on telling his buddy that he's going to enclose the pigs with chicken wire...
BWAAA-HAAA-HAAA -- chicken wire won't gonna hold the pigs for long -- even a piglet will root around and dig out from under it or just bust right through. might be amusing to watch them try to round up the pigs, and I expect we'll see the pigs trotting down the road more than once.

a friend of mine back in Massachusetts raised a couple of pigs - the pig area was fenced in with a wooden fence and an electric fence -- even then the pigs found a way out to a back pasture a couple of times.

didn't hear how or if he's going to put up a shelter for the pigs - but I do know that it's state regs that there has to be shelter provided.

then there's the mes/smell - what's he going to do with the pig shit? Not to mention the general destruction of his yard from them rooting around, making mud holes etc.

he goes on how he's going to feed them with leftover veggies.... this is another BWAAA-HAAA-HAAA - leftover veggies is fine for a "treat" - but it's sure not enough to bulk up a pig or two...

We also have bears, coyote and other predators running around the woods -- piglets may make for a quick snack for any of them. We suspect this is what happened to their adventure in free-ranging chickens a couple of years ago. At one point before the chickens disappeared - a bear demolished the chicken wire fence/chicken coop and ate all the chicken feed. Chickens weren't hurt in that incident, but a few weeks later we heard coyotes howling nearby at night and the chickens disappeared.....

the other problem is that he's working as a trucker - and is gone 3-4 day/nights every week, they already have 4 kids (oldest is 5-6) and youngest is just days old (newborn). How's wifey going to slop the hogs with one kid in her arms and the other 3 running around?

yeah, we'll keep an eye on the care/feeding of the pigs, and you can bet we'll make a phone call if they look neglected or abused





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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 05:55 AM
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1. Pigs and kids don't mix either
Pigs can be mean, this sounds like a real nightmare. I can't believe any area would let people raise pigs in their back yard. Maybe you can get a zoning rule before this fiasco gets off the ground. WTF are people thinking about anyway? Tell the man to raise rabbits, much easier and they taste just as good.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 06:06 AM
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2. we talked about possibly heading off the fiasco
but decided to let him shoot himself in the foot.

my partner works for a law firm and has access to all the legal stuff - so she'll do some research and find out the rules/regs about raising pigs in the back yard

although this is a rural area, "shi!t-head" is surrounded by houses - there are houses across the road, in back of him, and on either side - we won't be the only neighbor that will be complaining when his pigs are rooting in yards. My bet is on one, possibly two incidents of his pigs running rampant through front/back yards will result in him getting a visit from the animal control officer (who lives just a couple of houses down the road)

we also chuckled when he told his buddy he paid $1,200 to a lawyer regarding putting up a fence. basically the lawyer told him that he could put up a fence, but needed a permit from zoning board. This was the same information that the zoning board officer told him for free....
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 06:29 AM
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3. He thinks it's going to take a couple years to get
pigs up to a hundred pounds? Six months tops. I remember the hog my uncle had (not when I was a kid, this was 3 years ago) that topped out at 350 lbs. by 15 months of age. And broke through every fence they ever tried terrorizing the family. (They live so far out that you can see for 30 miles without seeing another house.)

Oh yes, pigs aren't just mean. They're downright vicious and would enjoy a nice tender child as much as they would a bucket of corn.



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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 07:00 AM
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6. Whoa there.
Depends on the pig, how much and what kind of human contact (friendly or mean) they have, and whether you feed them enough. Like most animals they prefer to avoid confrontation, but they do tend to get irritable as they get older. However, these aren't likely to be around that long. On the other hand, once they start getting bigger, I would never trust them with a child.

That said, with chicken wire? and without an electric fence, these people will be lucky if the pigs stay in more than a couple of hours. Pigs are smart and they like to have their own way.
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 06:36 AM
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4. Perhaps he wants to train them as guard-pigs
To patrol his beloved property rights.

This man certainly does seem to qualify for the 'loon of the week' award most weeks, you have sincerest sympathies for living next to him - just as long as you can laugh at it, and even more so laugh at him.
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 06:49 AM
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5. my pig story
Trying to remember so far back is an iffy proposition. To the best of my recollection it was 1977: that was the year I was attacked and almost eaten by a giant pig.

I was eighteen years old at the time and just out of Navy boot camp. I was attending Defense Information School, Ft. Benjamin Harrison, Indianapolis, Indiana. That was the fancy title…in the vernacular we will refer to it as navy journalism school. It is a joint services school and all the boys and girls were there: navy, marines, army, air force and yes even the lowly coast guard. Some were there to attend the editor’s course. Those people were for the most part older and more responsible. On the other hand the rest of us were just out of high school and away from home for the first time in our lives. As you can imagine much drinking and hooliganism were involved.

On this particular day I was invited to go for a country drive with some fellow service people. We squeezed into a primer gray Datsun and took off at a high rate of speed headed for the back roads and the farms that lay around the outskirts of the Fort.

I know it’s not politically correct but I’ll be honest with you. We were all drinking. We had picked up a case of tall boys and were proceeding to take the edge off the day. The car skipped like a stone over the dirt road, making it difficult for us to drink our beers without some spillage. Leaving a cloud of loose dirt and gravel in our wake we were on the hunt for adventure in the heartland. We were all city kids. None of us had ever really seen a farm. So with a fascination born of ignorance we gazed out the windows craning our necks catching glimpses of cows, barns and barbed wire fences as they whizzed by in a blur of reds, greens and golden hues.

Suddenly the brakes locked and the car slid sideways. Beer flew everywhere and I thought we were done for, but the trusty Datsun came to a stop in an upright position right in front of a large field. Our driver, the disreputable Mark “Jack” Hoff, was already out of the car and leaping over the wooden fence that ran the outer limits of the field. He was yelling something…it sounded like “hey guys look at the pig!”

We piled out of the car and with slurred words expressing confusion and exasperation we leaned on the fence and watched Mark as he turned and looked at us. He had a huge goofy smile on his face and he pointed out towards the middle of the field and in a voice that sounded childlike in it’s wonder he said, “look guys it’s a pig…lets take it back to the base and have a Bar B Q!” I can honestly say I was amazed that the normally lackluster Mark had come up with such a seemingly brilliant idea. The thought of roast pork made my mouth water. We looked at each other and trading evil and conspiratorial grins we hopped the fence and began to stalk the pig.

As we approached I began to realize that this was no small pig. This was a giant pig. If this pig had been a building it would have been designed by buckminster fuller…it was huge and domelike! And as we came closer the pig turned and for the first time looked at us. Although the pig began to growl, lower it’s head and paw the ground, and its immense proportions became clearer the closer we came, we continued forward…ever forward like moths to a flame.

Finally, we reached the center of the field. At this point I knew in my heart of hearts that we would never Bar B Q this swine. It was just way too huge…not something that you could kill with your bare hands…and we had no weapons. There we were in front of a giant pig with nothing to defend ourselves except for a couple of half-filled beer cans.

I gazed into the pig’s beady little eyes and I saw hunger, I looked into its mouth and realized for the first time in my life that pigs had teeth and I knew then and there why Dorothy had screamed when she fell into the pigsty at the beginning of the Wizard of Oz. We stood like zombies, albeit drunk zombies, waiting for the pig to make its move. At this point the pig held all the cards. I knew one of us would crack and sure enough Mark was the first. He whirled, screamed like a little girl and bolted across the field. To this day I remember the look on his face…his mouth formed into an ovoid, his brows arched like kukla…and his eyes pie shaped and panic-stricken. The rest of us scattered…running in different directions our hands up in the air all of us shouting expletives native to the various localities we were born to. I ran as fast as I could, like the company commander used to say, “all I want to see are assholes and elbows!” The pig was the size of a Volkswagen and ran like a horse. Fortunately we were just out of boot camp and in good physical condition so we were able to run the length of the field and leap the fence before the pig could catch and maul us.

The oft quoted line from Nietzsche “that which does not kill you only makes you stronger”, comes to mind. Certainly we were lucky that day. A lesser group of men would have ended that day fermenting in the belly of the leviathan. At least that’s what we told each other. And that in essence reflected the true value of this experience, for we told this tale again and again. And with each telling, the tale as well as the size of the pig grew…until it reached the legendary proportions that it enjoys today. And for the rest of our stay at Ft. Ben this story more often than not was worth a free beer and a good laugh.

The end
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 07:02 AM
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7. Pigs don't live in fields...
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 07:09 AM
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8. did not say it lived there
don't know why it was in the field...but it was there...yes it was...
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 07:32 AM
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13. wow...
it almost sounds like you doubt the veracity of my little bio-tale...i'm hurt and dismayed...

maybe i should have told the one about the time i was attacked by a horde of monkeys in the jungles of the phillipines...true story!

damn monkeys

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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 07:36 AM
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17. Well..... Yeah..... I am definitely skeptical.
Maybe even wildly skeptical. So tell me, how many people believed your little story?
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 07:38 AM
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19. literally hundreds
maybe more...

the monkey story is even better...

and oh yeah the one where i was attacked by a giant cockroach...i cringe just thinking about it...

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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 07:46 AM
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20. Maybe that's how George figured out that the U.S. has a lot of
gullible people? ...Oh wait, he wasn't in the military long enough to find that out.
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 08:07 AM
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23. when you serve overseas
in exotic and not so exotic locations many strange and wonderful things happen to you...

there was this one time i was swimming in a bottomless lagoon and a white shark appeared....

or the time i came face to face with a giant rat in a japanese bathroom...

or the time i faught a giant coco nut crab with a 5lb screwdriver...and the crab won!

ahhh the memories...
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 08:12 AM
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24. My friend Don's pig, Oliver, lived in a field with horses.
Edited on Mon May-30-05 08:14 AM by CottonBear
He was a huge, black barrow with long furry ears and two huge tusks. He lived more than 15 years on their horse farm. He'd wandered up one day. He was a loose pig of the feral pigs that roam the southern part of the county. (They were let loose by folks who planned to hunt them.) Someone had gelded him and then he escaped from their BBQ plans! He hung out in the woods and in the pastures too! The horses would groom him with their teeth while he napped in his dirt wallows. I loved that pig. He must have weighed about 300 pounds.
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 08:21 AM
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26. you see
all rules are made to be broken...
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 08:26 AM
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28. I hate to tell you this... Well, no I don't.
Anyway, 300 pounds is sort of small for a pig.
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 08:29 AM
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29. sooooo...
were you ffa?
i actually appreciate your expertise...
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 08:35 AM
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30. No.
I just feed and water them every day. Scratch them behind the ears... Push their pudgy rearends out of my path... Occasionally give them an apple or a banana peel..
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 08:50 AM
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31. pigs live wherever the're put and they can survive anywhere
n/t
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 07:34 AM
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14. Pretty damn good pig story
That would have been a sight to see
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 07:36 AM
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16. over 25 years ago....
so it's almost like a dream...

but a true story...
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 07:12 AM
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9. The old stories about pigs eating people have a basis in fact.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 07:25 AM
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11. There's The Old German Tale Re: The Farmer Who Goes To Feed The Pig
and never comes back (ie, got eaten by it).
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 10:37 AM
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34. Yep, my ex was tripped in a pigpen once as a kid. Her dog jumped in to...
protect her. She made it out, the dog didn't.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 10:31 AM
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33. Hey BikeWriter.
I had a friend in Pawleys Is. South Carolina that worked as a "Tree marker" for a lumber company.

He was very fearful of feral hogs in the forests and carried a weapon for defense.

180
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 10:40 AM
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35. Yep, some of those wild hogs up there are crossed with Russian boar.
They're known to be extra dangerous.
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 07:20 AM
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10. Women have been doing it for eons.
"How's wifey going to slop the hogs with one kid in her arms and the other 3 running around?"
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 07:30 AM
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12. hi there!
sure it's a time honored tradition...but does that mean that we can't change the practice...sounds like a major pain in the ass to me..
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 07:35 AM
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15. I agree. But I think it's up to the individual woman.
Too, there is an extent to which some women get locked into a marriage and can't get out. :shrug:
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 07:37 AM
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18. yup....
and it sounds like this woman has a real weenie for hubbie...

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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 10:27 AM
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32. that may be true
but this particular wifey wasn't raised on a farm - and barely knew what to do with the chickens in her backyard (before the coyotes ate them)

besides - they think a bucket or two of left over veggies is all that's going to be needed to feed them and that chicken wire is going to keep them penned....

does this sound like someone who knows what they are doing?

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shesemsmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 07:54 AM
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21. I would be down to the County court house
Edited on Mon May-30-05 07:56 AM by shesemsmom
or/ city hall ASAP. I can not imagine any area like yo discribe allowing pigs. Keep us posted If you get no results there try zoning board of appeals
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 08:03 AM
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22. Get a chicken and have "bacon and eggs for breakfast" n/t
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 08:20 AM
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25. Flame away, but if it's zoned for livestock, then they can have livestock.
Edited on Mon May-30-05 08:21 AM by CottonBear
I work in the land planning field, so I have some knowledge of this issue. There may be a limit to the number of livestock 'units' per acre. There may also need to be proper fencing. Hog wire and board fencing comes to mind.

There are also the issues of rural preservation and suburban sprawl and the incrmental banning of kivestock. What if you wanted a horse, goat or chicken or mayybe a dairy cow? Some new, suburban transplant who wouldn't know livestock if it bit them could try to tell you what to do on your land.

Maybe you can put them in touch with your local Ag extension agent.

good luck.

:patriot: :hi:
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 08:23 AM
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27. i'm not sure
but i believe the field the pig was in was enclosed by steel posts and barbed wire...

like a cow fence...
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 10:41 AM
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36. we are aware that it may be permissible per zoning
for livestock

but there are a few things to keep in mind with this idiot...

- chicken wire is not going to keep the pigs penned up

- a bucket of left over veggies is not going to be enough food

- he's under the impression that the pigs are going to be like the movie pigs you see that are all cute, cuddly and friendly. Some pigs are and some are good pets, but that takes alot of care and attention to get a pig like that and he's not that type of guy that would lavish the attention needed

I can guarantee you that these particular pigs will be roaming the neighborhood. Now, there are 3 homes for sale within a 1/4 mile radius of us. Imagine how those sellers are going to react when a potential buyer shows up and finds 2 pigs rooting around in the rhododendrons? Or the smell of pig shit wafting through if the wind is blowing in the right direction?

Toss in the lawn and other damage that is sure to come when PIGS RUN WILD and we'll have the entire neighborhood up in arms and suing his butt. And if someone gets hurt -- well, can you say PERSONAL INJURY LAWSUIT?

as far as being "helpful" and refering this guy to the AG agent - no way. The idiot has already threatened to shoot my dog because it woofed and wagged her tail at one of his kids - and YES THE DOG WAS LEASHED AND UNDER CONTROL AND ON OUR PROPERTY. There's no talking to this guy, no reasoning with him. So I'm saying let him drown himself in pig shit.

The day the pigs move in - the animal control phone number is going on speed dial.
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