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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 11:38 PM
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He is Risen
why don't they say "he rose" or "he was raised" ?

I don't say "so & so is risen from bed this morning"

Just curious :shrug:
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RevolutionaryActs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 11:39 PM
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1. If you have to ask, you'll never know.
:P
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Not_Giving_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 11:40 PM
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2. I'm guessing here
But I'm going to say that it has something to do with Latin...possibly that's the way it translates?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 11:43 PM
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3. Now come on, you guys. Skinner said no more --
-- sex threads.
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 11:44 PM
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4. sorry, that would be ~rise~
no rules broken here O8)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 11:48 PM
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7.  ! : )
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 11:46 PM
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5. You mean that dough I put in my oven is a man?
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 11:48 PM
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6. Present tense...
he is *still* risen.

Actually, it's an actual quote from the gospels, so the tense is probably reflective of the actual tense used in the Greek/aramaic (not remembering which part was written in what, I can't say more).
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 11:50 PM
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8. why not "he's alive" or "he came back from the dead"
What's all this beating around the bush? Get to the point.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:22 AM
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15. Right! He's still risen. The risen God. Indeed! Present tense.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:08 AM
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10. Both "he rose" and "he was raised" are used
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 12:09 AM by Lydia Leftcoast
in certain contexts.

However, just from the point of view of grammar, "he is risen" is an archaic way of saying "he has risen," and the "have+verb" form, referred to as the present perfect, means that an action occurred and the results are still in effect.

It's a matter of unconscious emphasis.

The expression "He is risen" was popularized in two ways, being used in well-known Easter hymns, and being used as an Easter greeting in some areas.

By the way, the difference between, say, "I ate breakfast" and "I have eaten breakfast" is a point of English grammar that drives Japanese people crazy.
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:10 AM
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11. but you don't say
"he is eaten"

you say "he ate"
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:30 PM
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17. That's because "eat" is a transitive verb
(can take a direct object, i.e. you never just "eat," in reality, you always eat something), and "rise" is an intransitive verb (the subject does something but there is no direct effect on an object implied). These two classes of verbs are governed by different rules.

Besides, "is risen" is an older form of "has risen," and you WOULD say "has eaten."
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:11 AM
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12. I think it is an archaic form of the past tense
using "to be" as the auxiliary verb. It is similar to French in which a small set of verbs use "tre" (to be) as the auxiliary, and all the rest use "avoir."
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:14 AM
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13. Does it have something to do with yeast???
Just a random thought
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:16 AM
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14. maybe
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:32 AM
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16. Here, Love - You might want to keep this on hand:
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moof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:35 PM
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18. Rrrrrrr oui talkin about the crowd that can't count either ?
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jswordy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:36 PM
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19. He is risen ... she is happy! LOL
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