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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 04:45 PM
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Fenris' Needlessly Complicated Rock Quiz: Vol. 1: The 60s
Okay, so about half of these questions are needlessly complicated. The other half are actually possible for anyone to answer. This is my first installment, and it deals with the mid-to-late 1960s rock scene. If it seems odd that I left out certain important figures (i.e. the Rolling Stones, Jimi Hendrix) it is because this may or may not be a multi-part quiz, depending on the number of posts I get. And fear not. Some bands transcend the 60s, and therefore shall be fair game for a 70s quiz.

And I compiled and composed all of these questions myself, but I have books and LPs to back me up.


1) Name both musicians who qualify for the dubious title of the "fifth" Beatle.

2) Who was the only member of the Beach Boys that surfed?

3) Who played lead guitar on both the Who's "I Can't Explain" and Donovan's "Hurdy Gurdy Man?" BONUS: Explain why the session for the latter was signifigant to the history of another, bigger musical act.

4) Which folk artist wrote the song "Red Rubber Ball" before making it big? What was the name of the band that performed that song?

5) Which song by the Byrds convinced Bob Dylan they were more than just a band of imitators (Hint: He wrote it)?

6) Skip Spence was a member of the Jefferson Airplane but left to work in a different band. What was the name of that band?

7) What was the name of Bob Dylan's backing band after he went electric (their name before their more common moniker)? Who did they become?

8) Following through with the above question, what was the name of the infamous "bootleg" album they recorded with Dylan and what was the name of the house in which they recorded it?

9) What was the original name of the Grateful Dead?

10) Who said, "Let's face it, you can't worship a guy for destroying an instrument in the name of rock"?
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 04:51 PM
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1. I'll have a crack...
No Googling, I promise.

1) Name both musicians who qualify for the dubious title of the "fifth" Beatle.
Stewart Sutcliffe and Murray the 'K'

2) Who was the only member of the Beach Boys that surfed?
Dennis Wilson?

3) Who played lead guitar on both the Who's "I Can't Explain" and Donovan's "Hurdy Gurdy Man?" BONUS: Explain why the session for the latter was signifigant to the history of another, bigger musical act.
Jimmy Page (he met John Paul Jones there)

4) Which folk artist wrote the song "Red Rubber Ball" before making it big? What was the name of the band that performed that song?
The Cyrkle? Don't know the artist.

5) Which song by the Byrds convinced Bob Dylan they were more than just a band of imitators (Hint: He wrote it)?
My Back Pages?

6) Skip Spence was a member of the Jefferson Airplane but left to work in a different band. What was the name of that band?
Moby Grape?

7) What was the name of Bob Dylan's backing band after he went electric (their name before their more common moniker)? Who did they become?
The Hawks became The Band?

8) Following through with the above question, what was the name of the infamous "bootleg" album they recorded with Dylan and what was the name of the house in which they recorded it?

The Basement tapes/Big Pink

9) What was the original name of the Grateful Dead?
The Warlocks

10) Who said, "Let's face it, you can't worship a guy for destroying an instrument in the name of rock"?

No clue!
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 04:56 PM
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2. 5
5) Mr tambourine man
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 04:57 PM
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3. A Crack at It
1. Eric Clapton and Billy Preston

2. Al Jardine

3. Jimmy Page

4. Paul Simon

5. Mr. Tambourine Man

6. Big Brother and the Holding Company

7. The (Incredible String) Band

8. (no idea)

9. Grateful Living

10. John Hiatt

--bkl
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 04:58 PM
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4. There's some dispute about #1
1. Pete Best, and I've heard both Klaus Voorman and Billy Preston called the "fifth Beatle."

2. Dennis Wilson

3. Jimmy Page, I think, and I believe those sessions are where he met John Paul Jones

4. Paul Simon, the Cyrkle

5. Mr. Tambourine Man

6. Moby Grape. I may be one of the only people who remembers Moby Grape!

7. Don't know the original name, but didn't they become the Band?

8. I should know this, but I don't

9. Warlocks

10. Don't know, but I'll bet he was talking about Pete Townshend...
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:00 PM
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5. I meant members who had been officially part of the band but
had either quit or been fired.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:01 PM
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6. X-Beatles
Stu Sutcliffe, Pete Best.

--bkl
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:02 PM
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8. I can't *officially* confirm or deny this answer
until later.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:08 PM
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11. Yes, of course
If that's the criteria, that they had to have actually been part of the band. Voorman and Preston both got that name partly because they played on all the individual members' solo albums, and they'd both played at one time or another on various Beatles songs, but Stu and Pete were actually part of the band.
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:55 PM
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32. The X Beatles
using their mutant powers of melody and rhythm to spread peace amongst the humans.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:01 PM
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7. That would be Stu and Pete, yes?
I was being a bit silly with my Murray the 'K'...
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:03 PM
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9. Was I right about 'the Hawks?'
Weren't they Ronnie Hawkins' backing band before they joined Dylan?
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SweetZombieJesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:12 PM
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16. Yes, and yes
Actually, they went solo first as Levon And The Hawks, then they hooked up with Dylan.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:15 PM
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19. Alright, SZJ, why did Levon's name drop?
There is a legit answer for this question.
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SweetZombieJesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:32 PM
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20. That, I don't know
I do know he quit the Hawks halfway through their supporting Dylan in England because the folkies were harassing them all the time.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:14 PM
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25. The answer
Levon resented the intrusion of this upstart folk musician into his band and spent all of his time in Arkansas while the Hawks recorded and toured with Dylan. He only reemerged on 1969's "Isle of White" record on drums and various other locations during Dyaln's collaboration with the Band.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:10 PM
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13. Forgot about Klaus Voorman...
I also had Pete Best, Billy Preston, Tony Sheridan and Stu Sutcliffe...

I remember Moby Grape....but forgot he was in it.
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:07 PM
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10. George Martin is a musician and was justifiably called the 5th Beatle
Edited on Tue Oct-14-03 05:08 PM by undisclosedlocation
but I have a shrewd notion that's not who you meant. Brian Epstein was also the 5th Beatle and of course Sutcliffe. Best was one of the four, replaced by Ringo, so he can't be the fifth one. The correct answer would thus be George Martin and Stu Sutcliffe, but I don't know if these are the ones you were looking for.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:09 PM
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12. Here goes...
1) I actually can come up with four...Billy Preston, Stu Sutcliffe Tony Sheridan and Pete Best...in addition NYC DJ Murray the K used to be referred to as the fifth Beatle...

2) Dennis Wilson....ironically, he drowned.

3) ???

4) Paul Simon and the Cyrkle

5) Mr. Tambourine Man...

6) ???

7) Nighthawks...became The Band

8) Music From Big Pink and Big Pink

9) The Warlocks

10) ????

As the man said, if you can remember the 60s you weren't high enough...
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:13 PM
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17. I can't remember the 60s
But I'm sure that's because I wasn't conceived until 1983.
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a_random_joel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:11 PM
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14. My try
1. Stu Sutcliffe and Pete Best
2. One of the Wilson's :silly:
3. Jimmy Page?
4. ?
5. Mr. Tambourine Man
6. ?
7. ?/The Band
8. ?
9. The Warlocks
10. Pete Townshend?
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:11 PM
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15. Geez, I lived thru the 60s and only know 1 and 1/2 of these
Fenris,

So few posts, thoughtful, funny &c. Then you got the time to twist this out?

:toast:

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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:14 PM
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18. I'm going to try to be more prolific, Skip
Been busy lately. I've been writing this quiz in my head while I sit through geology lectures.
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:44 PM
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21. My answers
Edited on Tue Oct-14-03 05:46 PM by NightTrain
And no, I didn't look at anybody else's replies first, so stop saying that or I'll sic Bob Boudelang on ya!

> 1) Name both musicians who qualify for the dubious title of
> the "fifth" Beatle.

I was going to say George Martin and Brian Epstein, but you said "musicians." So, how about Stu Sutcliffe and Pete Best?

> 2) Who was the only member of the Beach Boys that surfed?

Carl Wilson. Or was it Dennis? Damn, I can't remember now! (Of course, if it *was* Dennis, that would be quite ironic, considering that he died of drowning!)

> 3) Who played lead guitar on both the Who's "I Can't Explain" and
> Donovan's "Hurdy Gurdy Man?" BONUS: Explain why the session for the > latter was signifigant to the history of another, bigger musical
> act.

Jimmy Page, later of Led Zeppelin fame.

> 4) Which folk artist wrote the song "Red Rubber Ball" before making > it big? What was the name of the band that performed that song?

Paul Simon and Bruce Woolley (of the Seekers) co-wrote "Red Rubber Ball." The Cyrkle had a hit with it in 1966.

> 5) Which song by the Byrds convinced Bob Dylan they were more than > just a band of imitators (Hint: He wrote it)?

Not sure. Was it "Mr. Tambourine Man," perchance?

> 6) Skip Spence was a member of the Jefferson Airplane but left to
> work in a different band. What was the name of that band?

Moby Grape.

> 7) What was the name of Bob Dylan's backing band after he went
> electric (their name before their more common moniker)? Who did
> they become?

The Hawks, who later changed their name to The Band. By the way, the Hawks/Band got their start in the late '50s backing up rockabilly singer Ronnie Hawkins.

> 8) Following through with the above question, what was the name of > the infamous "bootleg" album they recorded with Dylan and what was > the name of the house in which they recorded it?

"The Basement Tapes." Don't know the answer to the second part, though. Sorry!

> 9) What was the original name of the Grateful Dead?

Since I know very little about the Dead (and care even less about them), I don't know the answer to that one.

> 10) Who said, "Let's face it, you can't worship a guy for
> destroying an instrument in the name of rock"?

Don't know that one either, I'm afraid. Hey, I never claimed to know everything about rock 'n' roll history!




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SweetZombieJesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:51 PM
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22. Hey Fenris, I've got a bonus part to number 10
In addition to being the original name of the Dead, what was the original name of the Velvet Underground?
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:21 PM
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26. The Primatives?
That's all I can think of.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:52 PM
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30. also The Warlocks...
and for a short time, The Falling Spikes
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ronzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 05:53 PM
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23. I'll play.
1) Billy Preston and uhhhh... Martin?
2) Dennis
3) ?
4) Baez...
5) Tambourine man?
6) ?
7) became the band
8) Basement Tapes...
9) Warlocks
10) I'm guessing Clapton

I dunno, dude...
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:08 PM
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24. THE ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!!!
1) Stu Sutcliffe (quit the band) and Pete Best (was fired). Although if you said Murray the K, George Martin, Klaus Voorman, Billy Preston, or Tony Sheridan, those answers, while not exactly what I was looking for, are correct.

2) Dennis Wilson was the only Beach Boy that surfed.

3) Jimmy Page. He met his future bandmate John Paul Jones at the "Hurdy Gurdy" sessions and played with him for the first time on that track.

4) Paul Simon wrote "Red Rubber Ball." The group was the Cyrkle.

5) Let's hear from Jim McGuinn: "It was 'Lay Down Your Weary Tune' that finally convinced Dylan that we were really something. I was at this apartment in New Yorkand Dylan came up to me and said: 'Up until I heard this I thought you were just another imitator...but this has got real feeling to it.'" The song appears on the album "Turn, Turn Turn!"

6) The eternally underappreciated Moby Grape.

7) Levon and the Hawks or just the Hawks. They became the Band. And yes they did backup Ronnie Hawkins.

8) 'The Basement Tapes." Big Pink was the name of the house.

9) The Warlocks, although Jerry and the Warlocks would also be acceptable.

10) Ironically, Pete Townshend.
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:41 PM
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28. Can't believe I forgot
Stu...
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:40 PM
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27. A valiant try?
1) Name both musicians who qualify for the dubious title of the "fifth" Beatle.

{Billy Preston and Pete Best. Murray the K said it was him. Brian Epstien was also referred to this}

3) Who played lead guitar on both the Who's "I Can't Explain" and Donovan's "Hurdy Gurdy Man?" BONUS: Explain why the session for the latter was signifigant to the history of another, bigger musical act.

{An educaed guess would be Jimmy Page and he might have met Bonham or JP Jones in the studi}

6) Skip Spence was a member of the Jefferson Airplane but left to work in a different band. What was the name of that band?

Moby Grape. He is now nuts

9) What was the original name of the Grateful Dead?

{The Warlocks}

10) Who said, "Let's face it, you can't worship a guy for destroying an instrument in the name of rock"?

{Pete townshend?}
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:43 PM
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29. Too bad about Spence
He had a solo album that was really great.
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:52 PM
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31. Its friggin hard to find
Have you read "Unknown Legend of Rock and Roll"?
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:58 PM
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33. No. Should I have?
:shrug: Fill me in.
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 11:20 PM
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36. It is pretty cool
It comes with a CD and covers people from the early fifties to the early 80's that are virtually unkown but had a huge influence in music.

For example "The Creation" had a guitarist that was the first guy to use a violin bow in a show. Jimmy Page made great use of that.

"The Misunderstood" used a lot of lights and stuff in their show that Pink Floyd later used. They were a blues based psychodelic band that had a petal stell in the band.

I had never heard of "The Cleaners form Venus" before.

It covers a lot of well known burnouts like Spence, Syd Barrett, Nick Drake and others.

Its just a pretty cool book.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 11:16 PM
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35. Moby Grape Nuts??? n/t
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:58 PM
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34. OK, when do I get my grade? And will the
Edited on Tue Oct-14-03 11:11 PM by DemBones DemBones
final exam be comprehensive? Oh, do you grade on the curve? :7

Edit:

Hmmm -- skipped # 8 I think my 6 and 7 should be 7 and 8, and 6 I would have left blank (if that's the one where the answer is Electric Grape.)

Pretty hard, couldn't remember who did "Red Rubber Ball" though it will now bounce around in my brain for days!

Complaints: No early 60s music, and I could swear "Big Pink" came out in the early seventies.


1. Pete Best & Stuart Suttle

2. Mike (Mike Wilson?)

3. Clapton (shot in the dark)

4. Simon and/or Garfunkel; Lovin' Spoonful

5. "Mr. Tambourine Man"

6. The Band

7. "The Basement Tapes"; Big Pink

9. ? Not a clue!

10. Jim Morrison
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