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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 07:38 PM
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That "Kill Bill" movie sounds really gross/disgusting to me.....does
anyone have a DU review instead of the hype the other "online reviewers have" where they are falling all over frothing at mouth in love with the thing.

The whole idea of the plot makes me want to :puke:

A raped comatose victim who then "bites the tongue of her next victim (assuming she woke up from coma) and then becomes somekind of kamakaze person on a vengance trip?

It sounded so grotesque.....I thought maybe it was just "reviewer hype to the high testosterone group!"

Ugh......is it different from what the reviewers are hyping. Did you like it? Will I come out feeling good about the world if I go see it? Is it campy or cute?
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 07:44 PM
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1. Why do movies have to make you feel good about the world?
I mean that's fine, if that's what you like. But if other people like something a little more adventerous or dark, what's the harm in that?
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 07:48 PM
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3. Why would anyone pay that much money
to feel BAD about the world??

Doesn't the news do that for free??

Movies are escapism...last thing I want for that price, and on an evening out, is a downer experience.

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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 07:53 PM
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5. So,
Edited on Sat Oct-11-03 08:08 PM by Blitz
no Schindler's List
no Citizen Kane
no Empire Strikes Back
no West Side Story
no Platoon
no Kramer vs. Kramer

It seems that if all you're looking for is a pick-me-up, you're missing a whole lot.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 07:46 PM
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2. If what you are describing is the plot.....forget it.....
There's no way that could be made cute or campy IMO...I join you in a :puke:
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mark0rama Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 08:02 PM
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9. That's not the whole plot,
Edited on Sat Oct-11-03 08:06 PM by mark0rama
but it's about 10 minutes of the film, and it's especially cringeworthy. Tarantino tries to play it (partly) for laughs, which certainly doesn't help. It was the only part of the film I found really offensive.

Honestly, quite a bit of the film is campy fun, in an over-the-top, unrealistically violent way, and it's a great-looking film with an amazing assortment of music that all works to the film's benefit.

But glarius and KoKo01, you should probably follow your instincts not to see it. I'm all in favor of people being informed consumers of entertainment.

On edit: added more because I can't leave well enough alone.
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 07:50 PM
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4. You know,
you are perfectly within your rights no to go see it.
Personally, based on everything that I've heard so far, my girlfriend and I will probably see it.
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darknemus Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 07:53 PM
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7. Kill Bill is violent..
Gory, nasty, and downright sick in some spots. Its also a movie that relishes itself in the fun its having. Basically, what Tarantino has done is blended some of his favorite old-school film types (Spaghetti Western, DePalma films, 70's Hong Kong action, etc, etc.) and morphed those styles into a film he wanted to make

The movie is a strict revenge movie - nothing else. I thought the story was a good one. Some of the artistic creativity of the scenes amazed me. The gore was necessary to deliver the message. Much like the movie 'Payback' - you didn't believe Lucy Liu was a total Sadist bitch unless she literally BEAT THE HELL out of her sub. That's just how it works

I can't wait for Kill Bill vol. 2, myself. This one left quite the cliffhanger.

-darknemus
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blessedleader Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 07:53 PM
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6. It's an action movie. . .a kung fu movie. . . a Quentin Tarantino movie
Ever seen Pulp Fiction?

Tarantino's known for violence, but usually it's perceived to be extremely realistic violence, leaving the audience unsettled and coupled with Dialogue that came down from heaven. . . Kill Bill is cartoonish violence , the dialogue is not so heavenly, but the style. . . my god, the work of a filmmaker that is completely in control of the medium.

It's a story of revenge. . . of righteous anger at being wronged. . . it is excellent. . . extremely violent in the most cartoony manner. . . but also terribly funny, 'awesome' and , hell, Sonny Chiba has one of the great moments of cinema in it. :-)

but. . . perhaps not for everyone.
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dwckabal Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 07:59 PM
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8. if you can't stand the sight of blood
fake or otherwise, don't go see it. I just saw it this evening, and I'll admit, I loved it. But then again, I've liked every one of Quentin Tarantino's movies.

Your plot description is a little off base, but there is no denying the movie is extremely bloody.

Uma Thurman plays a pregnant bride-to-be who is murdered by her ex-lover and his gang of assasins on her wedding day. Only she didn't die, she was in a coma for 4 years, and when she came out of her coma, seeks revenge on Bill (hence the name, Kill Bill) and her would-be assasins (which include Lucy Liu and Daryl Hannah).

Lots of martial arts action, and like I said, extremely bloody.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 08:04 PM
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10. it looks STOOPID as hell
and what's up with that awful yellow track suit Uma's wearing?

It looks like some bad Charlie's Angel's ripoff. And that was bad enough to start with.

If it wasn't Tarantino people would be laughing this piece of shit out of the theaters.

But it's Tarantino so it's HIGH ART.

Ugh.
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 08:10 PM
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11. Um, did you see it?
Or do you typically dub something that you haven't seen a "piece of shit?"

As for the yellow track suit, are you familiar with Bruce Lee movies?
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 08:11 PM
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12. it looks STOOPID as hell?
So let me guess...You haven't seen it? That's like my 6 year old not wanting to try something at dinner, cause it looks funny....

The movie was a flat out blast and I loved every bit of it...I can't wait to get the soundtrack...
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SweetZombieJesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 08:11 PM
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13. The "yellow tracksuit" is an homage to Bruce Lee in "Game Of Death"
And Charlie's Angels ripoff? Please. Maybe if Charlies Angels wasn't one long music video and was suddenly ultra-violent and written by one of the best dialogue writers in the business.

You haven't even bothered to see it, and you're already passing judgement on it as a "piece of shit"?

I'd be interested to see what you call high art. I certainly wouldn't call this high art, but it was one of the most entertaining movies I've seen in ages, so much so that I think I'll actually catch it in the theater.

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darknemus Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 08:15 PM
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14. Cinematographically, its an incredible movie..
Not 'High Art' so to speak, but some of the shots are just great shots. The movie is alot of fun - it doesn't mean I want to go around hacking peoples heads off, its just a trippy movie.

I happen to like Tarantino's work - I like his dialogue, I like his pacing, and I like his overall 'style' - I also am a big fan of Kevin Smith. Other people can't stand either of em... Oh well.. to each their own.

-darknemus
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 08:52 PM
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15. Cinematography, How? Blood splashes in high dimension or Kinky/Clever?
When you say Cinematography I think of beautiful Vistas ala David Lean Movies or I think of action and vistas like Jet Li's movies. Being simplistic.

Do you have a comparison I can understand?
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darknemus Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 09:14 PM
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17. Lets go more with Kinky / Clever..
I'm referring to just the nature of the shots. Some of the shots are not easy to pull off - especially without the assistance of CGI / bluescreen elements. Alot of really wild camera angles, sweeps, continuous type shots, things like that. I certainly wouldn't call myself a film major but I can pick up on alot of the subtleties Tarantino uses to move things along. Lighting changes, an entire fight scene done in sillouhette (sp?) - things like that.

Some of the establishing shots are great - the camerapeople did an outstanding job in this film.

-darknemus
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 10:02 PM
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24. I hated "Reservoir Dogs" and it was a direct rip off of a Japanese movie
almost scene for scene, word for word

I repeat, if it wasn't a "Tarantino" movie it wouldn't see the light of day.

I did, however, like Jackie Brown and Pulp Fiction.

I just think the guy's a BIT overrated. Kind of a Spike Lee for white people.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 03:33 PM
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28. *SNARF*
Spike Lee for white people

ROLF!! Can I borrow that? That's too good to pass up.
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mark0rama Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 09:06 PM
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16. And she looks damn good in it.
eom
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 09:15 PM
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18. I read a review that said it was "exhuberently violent"
how can those 2 words fit together?
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darknemus Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 09:30 PM
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19. Well. because it kind of is.
I mean, its über-violent.. but, its also almost.. exhuberant in its expression of the violence. I mean, there are no 'punches pulled' in the visual expressions of violent, sadistic activity in this film. From Uma's character gaining revenge on her rapist (Not a spoiler as it was mentioned at the beginning of this thread) by unabashedly slamming a door against his head and a doorjamb, repeatedly.. to things such as limb removal and decapitations done with just sheer rage and angst.

By the way - when I went to the theater ealier with my wife, I was warned of something by the ticket girl "this movie is extremely gory" - so I said "ok" - we bought our tickets and watched. But something REALLY disturbed me.

WHO THE HELL WOULD BRING THEIR 10 YEAR OLD OR SO KID TO SEE THIS MOVIE? Sorry, but its just NOT a movie for kids. 14-15, MAYBE - and thats only due to what's seen on TV now, compared to 10 years ago. But I mean, like, YOUNG kids were there - and that digusted me. Oh well.

-darknemus
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 09:38 PM
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20. I agree - allowing kids to see that stuff is almost criminal...
... where are they parents??!!
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darknemus Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 09:46 PM
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21. They were with them
That's what really scared me. Literally sitting there, talking to / with them. Now look, I'm the first to admit that I was trying to learn things and see things alot younger than I probably should have. I managed to procure some BDSM related books (more studies and psychological explanations than porn or whatever) when I was like, 13 years old. I spliced into my neighbor's satellite cable line to watch what he watched on his big dish (usually porn or horror / gory movies) - I always had a thing for violence, torture, & human suffering. That's me. But I STILL think that, at 13, this movie would have disturbed the hell out of me. And I was writing stories about imprisonment, torture, and general mayhem at the time.

Sorry, but the 'R' rating just doesn't seem strong enough in this case for this film. I dont think the theater should really allow ANYONE below 14 or 15 to see this film. Of course, that argument brings into the forefront 'who determines one 14 year old's maturity from another'.

I guess it truly is a no-win situation.

-darknemus
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 09:49 PM
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23. I used to watch horror movies at 8 but I agree, kids should not watch
this movie.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 09:48 PM
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22. Any guy who shoots a pregnant lady deserves what is coming to him.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 02:42 PM
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25. Kick!
Just for a counterview.......;-)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 02:47 PM
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26. from the previews
it doesn't sound even remotely appealing
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darknemus Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 03:26 PM
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27. If violence in movies bugs you..
Then yeah, it won't be even remotely appealing. I, for one, like the revenge aspect of the film.. so I enjoyed it.

-darknemus
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 05:21 PM
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31. I am not anti-violence
I am anti-gratuitous violence
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 03:39 PM
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29. Kill Bill is a revenge fantasy
played as an extended Bruce Lee music video. Nothing more; nothing less. It's for those of us who like dark and violent. We like exploring our baser natures in a way that doesn't hurt anybody in real life.

If you want to feel good at the movies, go see School of Rock. That movie is so good, it'll have you bouncing in your seat and positively longing to head to the nearest media store to stock up on all your old hard Rock favs. LOL!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 04:10 PM
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30. I don't like Dark and Cruel or Campy like I used to. BFEE did that to me!
Thanks for the tip, on School of Rock.

I find stuff I used to enjoy before the BFEE took over, now gives me terrible nightmares.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 05:26 PM
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32. Yeah I saw it
The movie is gross and nasty. There is too much blood. It's overkill.

I am glad that I ate my dinner before I went to theatre becuase I couldn't eat afterwards.

The movie is good, but I think it is way too violent.
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