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shawmut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 05:25 PM
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Poll question: Joy Division vs. The Cure

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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 05:26 PM
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1. The Cure!
They're going to go all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Magrittes Pipe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 05:27 PM
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2. Thanks to Ian....
Joy Division never had the chance to suck.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 05:41 PM
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4. Did New Order ever suck?
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 05:55 PM
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9. They've never sucked!
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Magrittes Pipe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 06:11 PM
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13. Sure they did, sundog.
Like the singles off "Republic." :eyes:
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 06:14 PM
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14. I, myself, agree with you about the singles
I am not particularly fond of Regret or World, but to most NO fans, Regret is a favorite. I prefer the trashy songs on Republic like Chemical, Special, and Spooky.
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 07:21 PM
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20. haha
:P

no... st. etienne isn't my sock puppet :7

I didn't really like "Republic" too much... Rather than dictating the club sound on that album, the club sound was dictating them imho. It was too generic.
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Magrittes Pipe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 07:28 PM
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24. Sure.
:eyes:
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 07:30 PM
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26. Hey I'm not sundog's bitch!
:P I'm just a troll from www.neworderonline.com
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 09:21 PM
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34. besides, I only have 1 Saint Etienne EP
so that certainly is proof :P

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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 09:31 PM
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35. My name is Saint Etienne because I was born there!
But I do like the group, so I guess my name can represent them too.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 05:28 PM
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3. Joy Divison
To put The Cure in their league is laughable to me..
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 05:47 PM
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5. Joy Division ...
Edited on Wed Mar-02-05 05:52 PM by NewHampshireDem
ultimately, much more listenable though--oddly enough-- *more* likely to make you slit your wrists.

BTW, did you ever see "24 Hour Party People"?

Or "Series 7: The Contenders"--great use of "Love Will Tear Us Apart" in the movie.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 05:49 PM
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6. Joy Division
Everything thereafter sucked...

RL
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 05:49 PM
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7. Joy Division...but,
It's difficult to say. My favorite Cure album is the one from, I think, 1980, with "All Cats Are Grey" and others. The poppier stuff from later on cannot compare. But I say this as a "former goth."

Joy Division truly has a special place in my heart. "Transmission" I believe, was my favorite. It is little surprise, though, what came of the lead singer. The emotions conveyed by the music aren't sustainable in the long term without a most dire end.
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 05:53 PM
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8. Joy Division for sure
and I'd choose New Order over the Cure as well. Electronic, Revenge, and The Other Two would also get my vote over the Cure, BUT I'd choose the Cure over Monaco :P
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 05:57 PM
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11. no I'd have to take The Cure
Edited on Wed Mar-02-05 05:57 PM by tigereye
Despite listening to them endlessly at the time, I think Joy Division was over-rated. And they almost ruined my post- college years.
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 06:00 PM
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12. If you think JD was overrated, then surely the Cure is the same.
The Cure have ripped off JD/NO numerous times over the years.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 06:20 PM
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16. no I think it is a totally different vibe
They were such a big deal when they first came on the scene, I think it was the melancholia mixed with the beats, but The Cure always sounded as if they might survive the trip, and surprise, they did.
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 06:21 PM
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17. They survived by sellling their image
Their music has been crap for a decade and a half now. IMO
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 06:25 PM
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19. and Joy Division didn't?
well, I guess they were a bit more underground at the time.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 05:56 PM
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10. Joy Division. I never cared for the Cure. nt
Edited on Wed Mar-02-05 06:22 PM by jonnyblitz
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 06:19 PM
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15. Cure, 'cause if you're gonna be clinically depressed, a sense of humor
is pretty helpful.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 06:22 PM
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18. yes just what I thought
was worried I was the only one! :hi:
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 07:23 PM
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21. Cure kicks JD's ASS
See: Disintegration
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 07:38 PM
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30. See Unknown Pleasures, Closer, Still, and JD's substance
I like Disintegration, but the Cure wishes they had half the talent of JD.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 07:25 PM
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22. I love the Cure but JD kicks their ass back to Bognor Regis.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 07:29 PM
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25. The Cure are from Bognor?
I didn't know that... I'm from Bognor. I don't remember seeing them hanging around on the Palais Pier.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 07:31 PM
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28. I'm pretty sure they are.
Robert is at least.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 07:32 PM
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29. Well, that would explain why he's "so depressed".
Bognor is a bit of a heap.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 07:27 PM
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23. Oh, please... next is "Stradavarius vs. K-Mart Violin Dept."
sheesh, no comparison.
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 07:31 PM
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27. I'm a Joy Division person myself...
I enjoy the Cure, but Joy Division really left an impression on me back in the day.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 07:46 PM
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31. Stevie and the JDs
The Cure were/are a second-rate warmed-over glam-rock band who happened to be at the right place at the right time.

JD, OTOH, ended up doing something much bigger than than the Iggy Pop/Sex Pistols stuff they started with. They all but DEFINED the first "Manchester Sound".
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 08:10 PM
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32. It doesn't matter....
...if we all die.

Smith didn't manage to kill himself after Pornography. That's not what I call a professional.

O.K., Joy Division were always my favourite band, besides from New Order.

But "17 Seconds" and Pornography are incredible albums. And Robert Smith was so young then.
Esp. 17 seconds is underrated as an album I guess, 'cause different from Joy Division, the Cure published LP-Material as a single. Like "A Forest" from "17 seconds". As an album it's incredible.

But besides some fantastic pop songs, although only few of them, the Cure were finished after Pornography. And what kind of "New Order" would have become of the Cure, if Smith would have killed himself after Pornography?

New Order with and after Republique became what the Cure became right after Pornography. Few very good singles like Regret and Crystal, but they never were the same after their first split.

Unanswered question (I did never get it): why were so many women completely mad about the Cure, but never about Joy Division or New Order? At least in Europe. 'till the late eighties, the Cure were like teenage idols in Europe.

In a high building there is so much to do
Going home time, a story on the radio!


"100 years" like "first we take Manhattan" (Leonard Cohen) sounds peculiar after 911,


Crossing the line in Germany,
Dirk

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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 08:16 PM
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33. Maybe you'll like the new NO album better.
Waiting For A Siren's Call is a very consistent album, which I like very much. It's been leaked for a little while now and comes out later in March.
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