Freeper coworker calls himself "anti-socialist"

[phusion]

His reasons include what he calls the "utter failure of Switzerland's socialist state" and the "pitiful shape of Canada's healthcare system". Besides, he says, "if you need something serious done (medically) in Canada you come here to the US."

aghagh...I've stopped trying to reason with him and ask for his proof because he never concedes. Now I just try to change topics when he brings shit up. Problem is, he brings it up at least once a day.

And he knows I am a libertarian socialist so I think he does it to bug me.

Waiting for the day to end...
:beer:

[mac56]

1. "Anti-socialist"?

Why doesn't he just say "fascist" and call it good?!

[Ellen Forradalom]

35. It's an accurate label..

His antagonizing behavior is certainly anti-social.

[WoodrowFan]

2. just refer to yourself as "anti-idiot"

and remark on the total failure of the RW.

[jonnyblitz]

3. the Canadians may beg to differ about their "failed" health system

My Canadian friends have no complaints! I would suggest OUR wonderful capitalist system is a failed system, profit being a priority over people's health needs.

[phusion]

4. Exactly.

Why profit from basic human needs?

[Name removed]

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[phusion]

10. Britain?

The country in question is Canada...Have anything on that?

[Telly Savalas]

28. You say tomato, I say tomato...

Canada, Britain, what's the difference? There all abunch of dam furrners who need to lern to speak American.

[JimmyJazz]

11. What in heaven's name does that have to do with the fact that

millions of children in this country have no health insurance and don't get the proper treatment they need! No one is questioning the capabilities of our doctors, hospitals and nurses, but we are seriously questioning how those of a lower socio-economic status are consistently left out of the loop.

BTW - welcome to DU...I think.

[Telly Savalas]

29. Well if those lazy kids would just get jobs...

then maybe they'd have health insurance.

[jonnyblitz]

14. I am just basing this on my friends in Canada who swear by it

as opposed to here where of course you can see a specialist if you can afford it.

on edit: oh you aren't even talking about Canada!.

[Telly Savalas]

30. Yeah, but I read on Newsmax about a guy...

who lived in Canada and was put on a waiting list for 23 years to treat appedicitis, and when he finally saw the doctor, they gave him a lobotomy by mistake. In Murka, doctors are perfect.

[jonnyblitz]

32. well if you saw it on newsmax, it must be true, right telly?

:P

[Telly Savalas]

36. Ah, hell. I give up.

If I continue to drink beer and post tripe like this, by 11 or so I might start believing it.

:beer:

[Bouncy Ball]

15. Can you even read? If you actually read that article you'd see

that the reason her parents brought her here has nothing to do with what they can afford and what they can't. Doctors here just happened to have been able to help her.

But doctors in other countries are ahead of ours in other areas of medicine.

So what does your article prove in relation to THIS thread?

Nothing.

Thanks for playing.

[JimmyJazz]

16. Question BB - why do they always post and run?

If they really are right, why don't they stick around and defend their initial post?

[Bouncy Ball]

18. LOL

[JimmyJazz]

19. Four people have now questioned this post and none have received

an answer. You know what? I call

[Kathy in Cambridge]

22. I love that little emoticon

If you really want to smell BS, search the archives. x(

[JimmyJazz]

23. That's the first thing I always do!

And, feel free to copy him to your favorites for later use. Here's another of my favorites (very useful in flame wars):

[Kathy in Cambridge]

34. How do I copy them to favorites?

I'm pretty illiterate in these matters.

[JimmyJazz]

37. Sorry - right mouse click and hit "add to favorites"

when you want to use one - double click on the site and when the picture pops up - right mouse click again and copy the url address - just like you would a picture. PM me if you can't get it - it took me a couple of tries.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

39. let's see if this works

[Telly Savalas]

27. Hang on. I'll pinch hit for the guy.

[Telly Savalas]

33. I know you are but what I am I, LIEbrul!!!!!!!111

Oooh, look at me, I'm a know-it-all librul who actually reads the article and sees that it contradicts what Hannity says. Maybe you LIEbruls should spent less time reading articles and more time supporting the troops.

Love it or leeve it, traiter.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

20. Who farted?

x(

[Swede]

21. Yeah that's why Doctors in the US don't pay malpractice insurance.

They never make mistakes.

[enigmatic]

42. I have zero complaints...

Since I moved up here I've gotten 10 times bteer care then I got in the US, and it's cost 10 times less, too..

[Redstone]

5. "utter failure of Switzerland's socialist state"

Huh? This is someone with a very peculiar obsession; ask 100 people to name a socialist country, and I bet NOT ONE of them would name Switzerland.

Where do you suppose he gets his information? Do they beam it down to him from the Black Helicopters?

Redstone

[JimmyJazz]

13. I think the freeper means Sweden - but since they have trouble

not thinking of all of the countries as the United States of Europe - it gets a bit confusing for them. :)

[bobbieinok]

6. 'Switzerland's socialist state'???? ...bet that's news to the Swiss

[Taxloss]

8. Switzerland ... the home of private banking?

Where the billionaires with cash to splash like to keep their unmarked billions?

[fob]

9. if you need something serious done in Canada you come here to the US?

What exactly are all those US bus trips to Canadian Pharmacies all about?

[Sandpiper]

12. Proof to people like your friend = Rush Limbaugh said so

It's no use trying to reason with them.

Meanwhile, in the real world, people in countries that have "socialist" healthcare would laugh in your face if you asked them if they wished they had a U.S.-style healthcare system.

[MikeG]

17. A LIBERTARIAN Socialist? How is that possible?

[B Calm]

25. I thought the same damn thing!

[phusion]

40. Look it up...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

Lower left corner of the political compass...Not saying it can/will be a reality, but it's my ideal utopia :)

Unfortunately, libertarian is often equated w/ right wing...not true.

[bobthedrummer]

24. I've been an anti-fascist for 40 years, since I was in SDS.

O8)

[RetroLounge]

26. I no longer try to reason with these shit heads

I find that laughter and derision seems to work the best.

RL

[Skittles]

31. ask him this

if a baby is screaming in obvious pain and the parents cannot afford a doctor, should the baby see a doctor? If he says yes, tell him that is socialism

[seabeyond]

38. call him on it., embarrasses the shit out of them

they dont think you ever will and they shut up once you do. next time, ask why do you bring this up everyday. you know i dont agree. why are you giving me this shit everyday. are you just an asshole

he will stop

if that is what you want

[PittPoliSci]

41. excuse me for asking...

but libertarian socialist? what exactly does that mean? i've always thought the two were opposites of each other.

are you libertarian on social issues and socialist on economic issues?

that's my best guess.

just curious.

[phusion]

43. Yes...

See post #40

thanks for asking...

[CanuckAmok]

44. Canada's health-care crisis.

Okay, if you walk into a Canadian emergency room with a broken thumb, you'll probably have to wait five hours before you get any attention.

But...if you come in with anything serious, or as a result of an accident or crime, you get treatment right away, BEFORE verifying if you can pay for it.

That's one RW argument which holds absolutely NO water whatsoever. Canada's health care system, for the record, is Provincially managed, not federal. Some provinces have completely free coverage for all medical, and some have partially user-subsidised, income-based fees (I'm in BC and pay $17 per month for the full medical services plan. As a relatively healthy 37 year old, that's probably a bit more than I draw from the service, but if I was a 48 year old single mother of two with cancer and the same income, I'd still only pay $17/mo, which would be a freakin' bargain!).

In any event, it's a two-tier system; there is private care at all levels in this country. If you want to pay a premium for immediate, private medical care, you have that option. If you don't, there's the public system, which is pretty effective.

Many of the services' costs are offset by user-fees. For example, if you have to be taken somewhere by ambulance, there's a bill you'll get a couple of months later for, like $60. I found this out after my mom was taken to the hospital last summer.

As far as I know, unless you're on Social Assistance, all dental care in Canada is private-only. There's no public dental health care plan.

Just ask him which country he'd rahter be shor in, Canada or the US.

Then remind him we don't have much gun violence, either. ;)