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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:16 PM
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Freepers vote for Arnold but forget to vote YES on the recall
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 01:21 PM by ps1074
OMG

Are these people really that stupid?

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Posted on 10/07/2003 9:19 AM PDT by Hildy

My neighborhood is comprised of middle-aged to older voters. Judging by the breakdown given to me by the Republican Party (I'm a poll watcher today) the area is predominantly Democrat. The workers said that for the first time they could remember there was a line out the door when they opened this morning! The only thing I'm a little nervous about is with all the Schwartzenegger buzz, people are forgetting to vote YES on the recall. It's the first question on the first page and since Arnie is on the last page people have the tendency of just going right to the page with his name. Even my husband almost forgot. People have been calling the radio shows saying the same thing. A few cried and said they forgot.

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I think it's their own stupidity that will defeat the recall.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/996752/posts

edited for inserting a link
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clar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:18 PM
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1. LOL
How delightfully stupid of them!
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:18 PM
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2. hehehehe
remember all the deragatory remarks about the citizens of PALM BEACH COUNTY and the infamous "butterfly ballot".

karma is a bitch isn't it?
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:21 PM
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9. I was thinking exactly that
I remember all those nasty comments about the Palm Beach County voters.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:20 PM
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47. *snicker*... me, too - first thought
lots of rushbo callers said it was their own dumb fault. *snicker* how precious. And this wasn't even because of a confusing ballot. Everyone KNEW there was a recall vote. This was giddy happiness for voting for the gropinator. *snicker*
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:31 PM
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50. That was immediately what I thought of
:evilgrin:
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:19 PM
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3. Couldn't happen to nicer people!
Can't wait to point this out next time I hear a Republican comment about "stupid Florida voters" :-)
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:19 PM
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4. Well, they're not old, so we can't make fun of them like
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 01:20 PM by khephra
the GOP did with the elderly in FL.

I guess we'll just have to call them like we see 'em.

Hey Freepers! You're stupid f**kers if you didn't vote right. Remember what you said in 2000? It ALLLLL comes back, eventually.

Stupid is as stupid does.

:evilgrin:

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:46 PM
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32. what was that study that showed "Fox News viewers were 30% more ignorant
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 01:55 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
than the average joe ....30% more ignorant....imho 30% stupider

just shows to go ya :7

"Psychologists call it pseudo-certainty. I call it behaving like an a*hole." - Al Franken.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_R...




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MoonGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:33 PM
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51. That's a great link... thanks!
I'm scanning through this right now... very interesting stuff. I think I'll bring it to the attention of my journalism professor.

Thanks.
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pdx_prog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:19 PM
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5. ha ha
That WOULD be rich!
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ACK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:19 PM
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6. God I hope its true
I really do.

No on recall wins because Arnie supporters are too stupid to read their ballot.

I can dream can't I?

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:20 PM
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7. Please post a link.
I want to rub this in some wingers noses.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:28 PM
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21. You mean warn them? ;)
My, that's upstanding of you.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:20 PM
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8. Time Wounds all Heels.
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:21 PM
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10. Move on, morans.
n/t
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:22 PM
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11. splain me something
So if you don't vote yes or no the rest of the ballot is spoiled?
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:25 PM
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No
It's just that the recall question might not get enough "yes" votes to make their other votes worthwhile. We hope, anyway.
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E_Zapata Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. hee hee, it's the same thing as NO on recall............
LMAO

It's as if they didn't vote at all.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:26 PM
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14. No!!!!
You DO NOT have to vote on both parts of the ballot!

For Example: You can NO on the recall and do not name a sucessor!
Skip the recall part and vote for a Replacement!
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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #14
59. California statute
Someone posted in in Daily Kos,
"Section 11382. No vote cast in the recall election shall be counted for any candidate unless the voter also voted for or against the recall of the officer sought to be recalled."

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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. anything not explicitly in the affirmative
gets counted as a negatory - at least that's the law in MN

I would suspect it's similar in other jurisdictions
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:28 PM
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20. The Freeps are claiming ...
That as long as you vote for a candidate, it doesn't matter if you vote Yes or No on the recall (Yes is assumed). That seems a bit presumptuous.

This implies that if you fill out a ballot the default response to question 1 is Yes to the Recall.

Can anyone help out here ?

Cheers
Drifter
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:29 PM
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22. Yes CANNOT be assumed, not at all. They are stupid
That's why the Dems were pushing NO on recall, YES on Bustamante. A yes on recall can in no way be assumed. No way in hell.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:44 PM
Original message
It's a NULL vote.
Neither yes nor no. Of course, try explaining NULL to a FReeper, and you'll get blank looks.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:37 PM
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53. Freeper brains are 'NULL'
any questions??!!
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. Good freeper logic is a lot like good Swiss cheese.
and that's some freeper logic.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:41 PM
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26. Why Swiss cheese?
Full of holes, melts at room temperature, and smells funny.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:02 PM
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43. Please Oh Please...
...let them think that. I want to see them crying in teacups over how their vote didn't count because the dumbasses didn't vote YES on recall. Stupid fascists...
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:51 PM
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39. let me try again
If you don't vote yes or no, but vote for a candidate other than Davis, is the vote counted? Is Davis in fact on the ballot?
I understand if you vote no, you can stop there.
I understand the reasoning for voting no but still voting for a candidiate in case the yes's win.
What if you vote yes and stop there?

This ol' boy is sho glad he lives in Alabama today.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:26 PM
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49. Davis is not on the ballot.
It is, to my understanding, a two part ballot.

Question 1: Recall yes/no (or in this case - no vote, thus 0 vote and it doesn't count).

Question 2: Choice for governor.

Seperate questions.

First tally x% Yes; y% no and z% no response (only thing that matters is 50.01% yes. If yes, then count question two (I am sure they will tally the other votes, but if the recall doesn't surpass 50% - the second question is meaningless).

Thus no vote, by default by not counting as "yes" = no.

They can't be default pick a blank vote on question 1 and a candidate on question 2 as meaning a "no". It is entirely feasible that one votes against the recall and then for Arnie (as in - I don't like the recall process... but if we have to have a new guy... then I want him). Voter readers are not mind readers. This was part of the problem with the hanging chad vote counts - trying to come up with a systematic and fair standard to judge whether there was obvious intent (eg the degree of hanging) or not.
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:42 PM
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54. Technically you're abstaining
And according to Robert's Rules of Order, abstaining is not counted as a yes. If you need a majority (51%+ of the vote) that abstention is as good as a no.

Therefore, if this is true, these voters are shooting themselves in the foot.

The honorable part of me feels bad, but the pragmatic side of me says "Nyahhhhh!" And the pragmatic side is winning.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:23 PM
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12. Ha - karma for making elderly Floridians vote for Buchanan
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Vext Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:27 PM
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15. I'm worried because Cruz's name was hard for me to find
It was beneath John Christoper Burton. Who at least is not a repub.

My polling place was busy.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:27 PM
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16. So the Dems who show up will be there to vote no on the recall.
While the Repukes show up to vote for Ahnold, and forget to vote yes. That's just too funny.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:27 PM
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18. Would the default of someone skipping the YES/NO recall ballot
question set to HELL NO?

I hope so. Payback's a bitch.

Hawkeye-X
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:28 PM
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19. Poetic Justice
I hope this is the deciding factor in the recall being defeated. That would be the most delicious of ironies...
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:31 PM
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23. Well well well .....I Voted NO !
it's the first question on a big ballot ....then names lots of
names ....Cruz was hard to find , but I eventually found him
bottom center on the first side ..

Yes on 53
No on 54

Where I vote we still use the optical scanner ,(thank goodness)
which we Californians have been using since grade school for
tests ETC .
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donotpassgo Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #23
33. Cruz is on the second page for me...
It's all punchcard in my neck of the woods....no hanging chads, no hanging chads, no hanging chads, no hanging chads.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:39 PM
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25. Some weird posts in that thread
This bizarre little gem from "WilliamofCarmichael":

Well I can remember few times that I've felt good since the rise of the New Left in the 1960s and the liberals' of that day (now neocons) denial of conservatives' access to the media using the FCC "Fairness Doctrine."

One was the election of Reagan, two was the 1994 election results, and three was today seeing so many at our little community's only polling place. I put Middle East military victories in a different but no less important category.

...


Er, he seems to saying that liberals = neocons? Okaaay.


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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. actually..
...it's true. Many of the neocon leadership came from a very leftist background.
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donotpassgo Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:52 PM
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41. This is truly weird....
This morning Cinemax aired TRUE LIES...and I couldn't help but feel the comparison of Arnold the actor on the Horse slaying the bad guys and Arnold the man kicking the butts of the politicians in Sacramento. When you really think about it, it's quite a story.

You know, I had a vision of The Terminator, where the Arnold-bot goes into the human refugee camp and viciously mows down innocent women and children.

Or T3 where we can't stop the apocalypse.

Yikes.
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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:44 PM
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28. Wouldn't that be considered an undervote?
And thus not be counted in terms of the actual recall?

Take for example a theoretical three person electorate:

The first votes No on the Recall and Yes on Bustamante.
The second votes Yes on the Recall and Yes on Schwarzenegger
The third doesn't vote on the recal and votes Yes on Schwarzenegger

Thus it would be counted as:

Recall Yes: 1
Recall No: 1

Bustemante: 1
Schwarzenegger: 2

So there is no assumption either way. It is treated as a non-vote not a YES, not a NO.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:47 PM
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35. Correct, that's my understanding
It's very possible in my opinion, and I don't know why I didn't think of this before, that many of these demented individuals voting for Arnold as a novelty, will make this stupid error. They have a one track mind, VOTE ARNOLD, that's it. This could very well decide the race in favor of Davis. Heehee, that would be AWESOME!
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:45 PM
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29. I kinda hope Ahnuld loses by 537 votes.
And that its due to an uncorrectable, unauditable program error in a black box.

:evilgrin:
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:46 PM
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30. This is just the Month of Hypocrisy, isn't it?
Imagine what it's like to try to believe all this at once:

1. Rush is a good druggie, but all other druggies are bad.

2. The traitorous criminals in Bush's Administration are Great Patriots.

3. Davis must be recalled because he "screwed up the economy", but Bush's disastrous fiscal policies are super.

4. Arnold's sexual assaults are fine, but Clinton's consentual sex is a sign of the Apocalypse.

It's hilarious. I really hope this goes to a smelly place. I'd love to see them try to defend their flip-flop again.
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athos1126 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #30
38. 'Zactly
I saw Dean chastise the media and Ahhnold about number 4. He was awesome, even if he smiles like a woodchuck.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:46 PM
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31. KARMA
What was that quote about if your supporters are too stupid to vote...
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U2Fanatic Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:46 PM
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34. hahaha, that is great
that make my day!
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athos1126 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:49 PM
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36. YEAH!
This is SO AWESOME! RIGHT F*CKING ON! Stupid republicans! We shall overcome!!!!
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. Hey there!
Long time no see! :hi:
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athos1126 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. Yep
Consider me back for all intensive purposes.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #40
56. Woohoo!
:party: :bounce:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #40
58. Welcome back athos1126
:hi: good to see ya :D
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:00 PM
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42. They shouldn't worry. Only ignorant black people vote wrong
Or at least that's what the media said three years ago. These are Republicans, and therefore white, and therefore they statistically don't make many mistakes, right? I mean, most of the mistakes in Florida were black voters, and the media assured us that was just normal.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. Don't forget stupid old people
Minorities and stupid old people are the one's who vote wrong. Not young white males.

How much do you wanna bet that if the recall fails and this is a significant reason, the whining will be incredible and it will go something like this:

"But it WAS obvious that if we voted for Arnold we were FOR the recall! This is UNFAIR!!!"
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #42
55. That was assuming that they got to vote in the first place n/t
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 08:02 AM
Response to Reply #55
63. Good point. nt
nt
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:04 PM
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45. The Irony is that these nut cakes were so adiment on recalling...
Davis and they didn't even do that!


:nopity:
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:07 PM
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46. WHAT? Can't this hurt us?
If the recall passes, and all the ballots that did NOT answer that question get counted anyway, then someone like Arnold would have a disproportion, right?

I vote no on recall, yes on Cruz
you vote yes on recall, yes on Arnold
another idiot votes yes on recall, yes on Camejo
dumbass voted null on the recall, yes on Arnold

the result:

recall:

yes- 2 votes
no- 1 vote

recall wins

cruz- 1 vote
camejo- 1 vote
arnold- 2 votes

I don't know, nam, I don't see how this can work fairly if the ballot is considered legit though incomplete...
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:22 PM
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48. A few cried because they were so painfully stupid. (NT)
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:34 PM
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52. These are the same people that ridiculed the W.Palm Beach voters in 2000
:nopity:

We'll have lots of fun returning the favor.

Forgot to vote "YES" on the recall - hahahahahaha - shows the stupidity of the Arnold supporters!!!
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:55 PM
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57. I really wish we COULD get excited about this....but the fix is IN!!
When people finally start to figure out that THEY aren't voting, the (repuke-programmed) MACHINES are voting, maybe there will be the revolution we need in this country to get business out of government.

Didn't you hear bush's quote today that: "today Californians will make a wise choice". California's been handed to him by Diebold and he knows it.

:kick:
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 05:56 PM
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60. Since they are STUPID enough to vote for the groper
in the first place, they would of course be so STUPID they don't vote yes to recall........HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:16 PM
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61. Stupid Freepers give me hope
This whole thing is just too damned depressing. I can hardly believe it's actually happening. What next?
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:18 PM
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62. I can only quote Nelson Muntz of "The Simpsons"...


HA-HA!!!
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