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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:35 PM
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The 32 NFL teams ranked in attendance
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 12:38 PM by VermontDem2004
The Redskins are #1 with an average of 84,636 people comming to the games.

The Cardinals are dead last with an average of 40,955 people comming to the games. :evilgrin:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/attendance?year=2003
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:39 PM
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1. Bidwell needs to be expelled
From the league by the NFL. He reminds me of the chick owner in "Major League" who was hoping her own team would lose. He's done everything possible to make the Cardinals as non-competitive as possible. It's intentional.
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:42 PM
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2. I agree
Bidwell has gotten rid of all the great players this offseason to make the Cards non-competitive as possible. David Boston, Jake Plummer, Kwamie Lassiter, among others. But not only this year, they gotten rid of Simeon Rice, Garrison Hearst, Aneas Williams, and many others.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:53 PM
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7. Larry Centers too I believe
I never could understand that one.
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:07 PM
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10. That one was killer
He was probaly one of the best recieving fullbacks of all time, he even scored 9 touchdowns had 99 receptions in one year.
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:43 PM
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3. Buffalo #8, Green Bay #11
Out of 32 teams. That's pretty impressive for two small, no-respect markets.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:46 PM
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5. not really
when you think about it, what the heck else is there to do in Buffalo and Green Bay? I mean sure, you can catch the Sabres, but both these markets (like DC) have no real competition for the sports entertainment dollar. There is no big time college football around either.
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:48 PM
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6. That is a good point
But large percentages of people in most cities don't like football or don't follow it so it is impressive that they are ranking in numbers like that.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:29 PM
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15. yes.
If they had bigger stadiums, they'd be ranked even higher.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:46 PM
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18. yup, the only reason the 'skins are number one
is because they have the largest stadium. if Lambeau had one more seat than FedEx, Green Bay would be number one.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:56 PM
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8. Hello? Green Bay? Small Market? We've spent money to travel there to
watch a game. Definately not a small market. Plus the other guys have larger stadiums than Lambeau, otherwise Green Bay would be number one. It should go on percentage of seats filled. Misleading.
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:15 PM
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11. It is misleading
The Vikings are ranked 22nd in people comming to the games, but the Stadium only sits 65,000 people.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:49 PM
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19. percentage of seats sold?
not a god plan. most NFL teams sell out every game. try to buy tickets to the meadowlands someday. can't be done. or Gillette, or 3Com, or Network Associates. hell, the seahawks sell everything out. in fact, non-sellouts are the exception to the rule in every market except Arizona and Indy.
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:52 PM
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20. This year
It looks like Dallas, Oakland, San Diego, and others aren't selling out everygame. I know for a fact those three teams have more seats then the average of people comming to the games.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:57 PM
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22. The Seahawks sell everything out?
This year perhaps, but not last year, and not typically in years past.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:12 PM
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23. hell, they used to sell out the KingDome
not just their namby-pamby new stadium
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:29 PM
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24. Not very often.
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 02:36 PM by HuckleB
I never worried about getting tix for a game at the Kingdome. Throughout the '90s, it was never a problem to just walk down and buy a ticket right before the game. And I remember noting plenty of empty seats unless it was the Broncos, 49ers, Packers, Raiders or some such team with a big fan base in town.

Of course, for the time being, I will no longer support anything associated with Paul Allen and Bob Whitsitt (sp?), so ...
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:52 PM
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25. Not Really
Those are both football Crazy towns. I am from upstate NY and if you're not a bills fan they might shoot you (I'm only half kidding). As for Green Bay, its a community owned team and the wait for season tickets is years long.
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Scottie72 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 03:23 PM
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26. Exactly!
Myself being a Buffalo Area native, people there live and die by the Bills. You are one brave soul if you are not a Bills fan in that area. You are quite correct about only half kidding. Another thing about Bills fans is that we remain fans of the Bills no-matter if we move to another area to live.

I live in Hampton Roads VA. There are two Bills Backers club here in VA beach alone. I am a member of one of the backers, we meet in a sports bar every week of the football season. Since the group is quite large (draws probably more 40 or more each week) we have a whole section reserved just for us.

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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 03:38 PM
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27. And if you're a Dolphins fan
well...hope you have your life insurance paid up. I went to a Bills/Phins game when I was 7, and was wearing a turqoise shirt (with no team logo, my parents wouldn't let me wear a dolphins shirt to the game). I caught hell from bills fans for that.

Bills fans are cool 50 weeks a year though.
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ronzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:44 PM
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4. If Colts attendance doesn't pick up...
The team will be L.A.'s prime target next time.

What a game last night. WOW.
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Blue_Chill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:03 PM
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9. And people wonder how the Snyder can throw around so much money
It's because no team makes money like the redskins.
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:22 PM
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12. This is only important ...
if every stadium in the NFL held about the same number of people. This is clearly not the case. Each team has an absolute maximum of people that can see a game, so when there is a sell out, it means different things to each team. This should be expressed as a % of the stadium capacity.

This is also the reason that the NFL blackout rule is bullshit.

You have small market teams with enormous outdoor stadiums (Like the Bills), who sell out less often than other teams (like the 9ers), who actually have 10 year waiting lists to get season tickets.

Cheers
Drifter
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:22 PM
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13. I know
see post #11
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:28 PM
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14. Well --
One O'Clock games in Tempe in September just aren't that much fun. (I know by experience!) And that's not to mention how low the Cards average would be if they had played Seattle and Cincinnati/Baltimore/... instead of Seattle and Green Bay.
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:30 PM
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16. I went to a 12:30 ASU-USC game
last Saturday and 68,000 people showed up. It has more to do with the Cardinal's record over the last 10 seasons then the weather, but afternoon games in the heat are not fun unless you are sitting under the press box where you have shade.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:36 PM
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17. You have a point...
but that shade doesn't come until well into the second half in September. I was reminded of that when we foolishly took my folks up on their invitation to hit the Cards-Packers game a couple weeks ago. We were in town to celebrate the In-Laws 40th anniversary. I was in air conditioning. I could have stayed there. What is wrong with us?
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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:54 PM
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21. The Vikings are selling out every game of course...
...but the Metrodome only seats 64,121. That's why we're number 22 on that list. The Vikes have sold out 42 consecutive regular season home games at this point. That's pretty damn good, IMO.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 03:40 PM
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28. not bad
but the skins have sold out every home game since 1972. a friend just got off the waitlist for tickets this season. his father put him on the day he was born. he's 28. and they added 10,000 seats when they built FedEx last decade. otherwise he'd still be less than halfway up the board.
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 03:43 PM
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29. A link?
I know for a fact Redskins have had lots of bad record seasons and I seriously doubt they sold out the last home game of the season when they had a dismal season. I am not calling you a liar but I have my doubts, I don't the Redskins have sold out everygame since 1972.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 04:13 PM
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30. it's true- ,
the waiting list for season tickets, the only kind offered, is about 30 years, as the above mention story indicates, and has been that long for as long as i can recall. and i'm pretty sure that goes back farther than '72.

even when the 'skins are bad, it is the hottest ticket in town.
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