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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:35 AM
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Fallout from Sox win-Damon collision/fans reaction/A's PO'd at Lowe
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/...

Then the entire stadium's attention turned to the two players lying motionless on the grass. Jackson soon began to move, but Damon did not. After several minutes, television cameras showed Damon talking with his eyes open, though he remained on the ground.


The Red Sox announced that Damon sustained a concussion, though the team said he was awake and alert when he left in the ambulance. Damon told teammates he was OK before he was taken to the hospital for precautionary tests and evaluation.

Said Dye (out at second).........."They told me he didn't know what happened."

As the crowd of players surrounding Damon dispersed, Jackson and David Ortiz suddenly were seen shouting at fans near Boston's dugout. Stadium security and Oakland police quickly swooped in, including one cop who placed a vigorous headlock on a young fan.

Jackson (attended Ygnacio Valley High in Concord and still lives in Walnut Creek, was not amused) "I understand you're A's fans and you want your team to go to the ALCS, but have some respect. You can't do that." "... For that moment, I was ashamed to be a Bay Area resident."


Lowe's celebration offends A's players

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2003/news/story?i...
OAKLAND, Calif. -- Some of the Oakland Athletics were furious with Derek Lowe, accusing the Red Sox pitcher of making obscene gestures toward them after he struck out Terrence Long to finish Boston's 4-3 victory in the AL division series Monday night.

"Derek Lowe is going to be paid back for that sign," Tejada screamed hysterically through the clubhouse, shouting expletives. "My kid is in the stands. He's going to pay."

Tejada was later told that Lowe apologized.

"That's extremely unprofessional," center fielder Chris Singleton said.








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jmanjman Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:42 AM
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1. Did you see the game...
Did you see Lowe making an obscene gesture? I'm not a fan of either team (Cardinals fan) so it doesn't bother me one way or the other but when he struck out Long, I just saw him jumping around. I didn't see anything that resembled an obscene gesture. I'm thinking that a couple of A's are overreacting. I could have missed it though. Did any of you see it?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:47 AM
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2. I watched it and didn't see anything at all
Maybe it just wasn't caught by the Fox cameras.

I did see the jerk-off yelling at Jackson and his frat boy buddy who was giving the "COME ON!" hand signals to Ortiz. Ortiz by the way is the muscle of the team, sometimes beer does funny things to a person.
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Braden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:54 AM
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6. If it weren't for the Oakland Police
Gabe Kapler would have gone into the stands and beaten that guy badly. No Doubt in my mind.

I won't paint the whole Oakland fandom based on that guy though.

They were incredibly concerned about Damon, being a former A probably had people more involved then they might be when an opposing player is hurt.

As for Lowe if he aplogized then I would say he did it. Tejada will have a tough time exacting revenge playing for the Dodgers though.

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:56 AM
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8. No broad strokes here
The place went almost silent immediately. No it was two stupid jerks out of a crowd of thousands.

Gabe Kapler?
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Braden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:06 AM
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12. Kapler the reserve outfielder and known fitness fanatic
came out of the dugout an began jawing with those two and had to be restrained. I would bet anything had no one stopped him that guy would be in traction this morning. Ortiz laughed at the guy, no big deal, but he must have said something to set Kapler off.

Did Tejada apologize to all of his relatives for Yelling "MotherFucker" on national TV?



(ps my comment about broad strokes was about my post, you clearly are not showing any bias or implying anything)



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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:25 AM
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17. Ooh good point Fox left the mic on for a little too long on that one
That was still in the "Family hour" too.
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Braden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:32 AM
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21. Big Oops.
I dont blame the players there. They are in the heat of battle in front of 60,000 fans. I think Fox tries to intentionally "accidentally" air some bad language to add some grit to the program.

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jmanjman Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:00 AM
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10. Lowe's "apology"
Yes Lowe apologized but he said something to the effect of "I don't remember making a gesture but if I did something that somehow offended them, I apologize". So, he wasn't admitting any guilt, just that if someone misconstrued his actions, he was sorry. Like I said earlier, I didn't see him do anything like that so I think its a couple of guys from the A's overreacting during an emotional time.
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:49 AM
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3. I'm a sox fan so grain of salt here
But after having watched derek lowe for years, he did nothing last night that should be construed as an obscene gesture, he was jumping around like a mad man pumping his fist as he always does after a big win.
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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:50 AM
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4. What a bunch of baloney
There was nothing unusual in Derek Lowes celebration. For this to come from Mr Tejada is a real laugh, considering his conduct on a baseball field.

But, I guess its frustrating to choke in such an embarrassing fashion every year.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:50 AM
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5. Lowe slapped his crotch area
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 09:06 AM by Uzybone
while in the direction of the As dugout. Wasnt anything obvious to me or really offensive. The As should shut the fuck up and check thier heads and hearts (or lack thereof) before looking to pick on the Sox. The guy just struck out 2 batters with the winning runs on base in the bottom of the 9th. Hell Id strip on the mound if I were Lowe.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:55 AM
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7. I think both sides had a lot of emotion on this matter
All I saw was a team going nuts after not only winning three in a row to win a series but like you said striking out two in a row. I doubt he even knew what he was doing at that moment.
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jmanjman Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:57 AM
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9. If he wants to smack himself in the balls...
that's Derek Lowe's own problem not Tejada's or the rest of the A's problem then.
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Braden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:07 AM
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13. indeed slapping oneself in the balls is a choice we make.
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:01 AM
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11. I'm not a fan of either team
but I had no problem with Manny watching his home run or anything Lowe supposedly did after he struck out the last two batters to win their ALDS. If Lowe did something, it probably only because a few of the drunken Oakland "fans" were jerks after Damon got hurt.
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:17 AM
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14. Don't forget ...
the asswipe BoSux player who hit the 3 run HR, and taunted the A's bench on his way to first. That is about as 3rd grade as you get. A's fans showed a tremendous amount of respect by giving both injured players standing ovations when they finally did leave the field.

I have never seen such sore winners in baseball before last night. I can only hope that they are off again to lose to the Yankees, as they ceratinly don't deserve a shot at the big game.

Cheers
Drifter
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:23 AM
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15. Don't forget the asswipe BoSux player who taunted the A's bench
umm, Manny Ramierez pointed at his own bench as if to say "that one's for you, boys."

The A's have had a huge problem the last few years--they can't close out a series.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:26 AM
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19. No Ramirez took too long to start running
Just my opinion but that was way too long.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:30 AM
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20. he definitely was showing up the pitcher
But we're talking about Manny Ramirez.
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:55 AM
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23. He must have figured....
that it was gone, or foul, or caught. Actually, that's exactly what I had figured.
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:33 AM
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22. A's are all hat and no cattle
and did anyone see Zito yell "fuck yeah" after he got someone to pop out in the 5th I believe? The A's showed more than enough lack of class to warrant everything the sox did and more, and Billy Beane's comment after the game about payroll shows what an utterly classless and moronic bunch of losers they truly are.
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:58 AM
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25. Don't forget
Manny yelling "That's Bullshit!" To the first base umpire who said he didn't check his swing. Of course you didn't hear it but you could sure read his lips.
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:24 AM
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28. And of course, Manny was crying over spilt milk
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 11:24 AM by manco
He definitely went around on that swing. What was he screaming about? I have no idea.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:23 AM
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27. make no mistake, manram will pay dearly for that exhibit..
come next year. Look for Zito to place one square in the ribs next time they meet up. And rightly so.. you don't pull krap like that out there. Pump your fist as you round first, but you don't stand there and admire your handiwork like Ramirez did last night. If you've ever played ball, then you know this.
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KFC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:03 PM
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30. Then ManRam will kick his ass
Zito will be the one who pays dearly.
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:07 PM
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31. yep, Zito would stand no chance in this contest
and if he tried it, besides Manny obiously beating him down, Pedro would probably locate a few nicely placed fastballs like he did last night.
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zls44 Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:24 AM
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16. I dont know...
But as usual, the A's find a level of hate I cant even direct at the BoSox.

Seriously, has there been a dumber baseball team/management in the last 5 years than the A's?
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:48 PM
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32. Dumber management?
Perhaps on the field in the playoffs, but the A's clearly have the smartest front office in baseball. To put together the string of competitive teams that they have with the budget they have is incredibly impressive.
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Braden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:26 AM
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18. sorry Drifter. Sour Grapes
Manny gave a look into the BOSTON dugout. Given the magnitude of what just happened, I don't think many will care what Ramirez did.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:49 AM
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24. Hate the Red Sox if you must, but get your facts straight.
He was pointing to his dugout on the 1st base side of the field.

True, Manny was a tad dramatic in his standing there, but I don't see that as really showing Zito up. Actually, Zito made Ramierez look pretty bad in his earlier at-bat. Fact, I can't remember ever seeing Manny so helpless at the plate.

And, btw, I think the A's fans were actually pretty classy the way they cheered Damon as they carried him into the ambulance. As far as a few fans getting out-of-control...I've NEVER seen that at Fenway :-)

Very interesting incident in the middle innings when Hillman got hit by an object in the Red Sox dugout. Fox showed it about 10 times in slo-mo....ranted on about how terrible that is, etc. Come to find out, it was part of Nixon's weighted bat that came off in the warm-up circle. Just goes to show that while TV may capture the event, interpreting it can be something quite different.





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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:08 AM
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26. I just watched the highlights
He did point to the Boston dugout basically saying this one is for you. After Lowe struck out the batter he was pumping his fist all over the place and he happened to slap his crotch then pumped his fist up in the air. I don't think he was intentionally trying to do anything, I think he was just exciting and he was pumping his fist all over the place.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:55 PM
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29. Maybe his cup slipped?
Just a thought since I've never worn one or anything. :)
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