Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Sports & Religion

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » The DU Lounge Donate to DU
 
trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:00 AM
Original message
Sports & Religion
I like Tony Dungy. I really do. But this kind of silliness:

"These guys just never gave up. That's what I like about us," Dungy said. "We've got great chemistry and I just had a feeling the Lord was going to do something, and he certainly did."
(http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/football/nfl/10/0... )

just has no place in sports. Your Colts won because Jesus wanted them to, Tony? The countless children dying of starvation around the world don't warrant his intervention, but helping your team full of millionaires notch a victory against another team of millionaires is way up there on his priority list?

Grrrrrrrr...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
soupkitchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:05 AM
Response to Original message
1. As in, Jesus died on the Cross so that the Colts could win
Serious idiocy. But is consistent with the "Winners write the history" level of consciousness in human beings.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #1
21. No way, Jesus died so Notre Dame could win!
Not that this year is any indication.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:05 AM
Response to Original message
2. Get used to it
many athletes and coaches say nonsense like this. Theyve been doing it for a long time now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:06 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. Oh I know it all too well.
Some comedian did a great routine once on this phenomenon. He said, why do you always see these guys giving credit to Jesus when they win, but not when they lose? Wouldn't it be great to hear someone say, "Yeah, we would have won that game... if Jesus hadn't made me fumble!" LMAO!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #3
8. They thank God for touchdowns but don't blame God for fumbles
:bounce:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #8
24. That's because...
fumbles are God's punishment for wickedness. Just like AIDS.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 08:38 AM
Response to Original message
4. Allah works in mysterious ways...
As Mohammed said, "Giveth unto Indy, and taketh from the Bucs."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Blue_Chill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:19 AM
Response to Original message
5. Yeah religion doesn't belong in sports I say we ban it.
God has no place in sports damnit, these people should be fined for mentioning God. I mean all those starving kids that we talk about all day but do nothing to actually help could use God's help more then these over paid athletes.

Blah blah fucking blah.


(FYI - to christians god's place is everywhere)

Kthxbi

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #5
13. Clearly, this is not the intent of the original post
There is a big difference between a personal belief in a god and how that god influences one's life, and a belief that a god was smiling upon you enough to make sure you won a sports event.

The original poster was expressing a dismay at the lack of spiritual (or intellectual) depth of some sports players who attribute all successes to a god but conveniently forget this god in their losses.

Your parenthetical statement at the end of your post sums up the original post nicely. "To a Christian, God's place is everywhere", is exactly what the theological geniuses in sports totally forget in their rush to thank God for their successes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #13
17. Thanks, Stuckinthebush.
Please note, nowhere did I say that religion should be banned. Blue_Chill, I suggest you take a cue from your handle. I would think that you would be as upset as I am that someone trivializes your god to the point of believing that it helps control the outcome of sporting events. I mean, so much of modern Christian theology flows from the "free will" argument, that humans are free to unleash unspeakable tragedies against each other, and god will not intervene. Yet he'll make a ball bounce one way or the other so the more pious team wins? C'mon!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:24 AM
Response to Original message
6. Why does it matter what he believes?
Do you think it matters to him what you believe?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #6
16. That's not the point.
Speaking as an atheist, I would think it belittles one's religion to think that your god had a hand in helping you win a game, especially when A) the other team prayed just as hard for god to help them, and B) there are billions more urgent things that need a god's attention.

Besides, this is the Lounge!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:25 AM
Response to Original message
7. gmta


Unless of course he thinks Peyton Manning is God.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:30 AM
Response to Original message
9. Did anyone catch Trot Nixon after his 11th inning homer?
I don't mind if someone is really religous that is their choice but it is a bit shocking when suddenly you are inundated with it. I don't know anything about Nixon but I just wasn't expecting

The lord
God
Our savior
In his honor

type stuff. And it was constant and long.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. Can't wait for the first Satanist to win a World Series
"I want to thank the Father of Darkness for helping me...."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #10
12. Well Chet I would like to thank the Dark overlord for this one
LOL

Boy would that be shocking.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:32 AM
Response to Original message
11. The whole "God is on our side" mentality is brain-damaged idiocy.
Especially when you consider that a good number of the people on the other team probably believe in and pray to the same God.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. Well high school football did teach me the Lord's prayer
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 09:35 AM by underpants
We didn't go to church much.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:44 AM
Response to Original message
15. yes
The local papers here in Chicago have declared that God is a Cub fan.

Which is basically saying that the south side can rot in hell - of course the north side has been saying that for years.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #15
20. Congrats dymaxia!! 600 posts
:toast:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:03 AM
Response to Original message
18. Religious belief is non rational.
If some athlete were to honor Allah or Buddha or some personal deity none of us have heard of, for his win, then the silliness of religion in football might become obvious to believers.

I try very hard to respect other people's belief, but I really want to gag when athletes give God credit for their win, touchdown, homerun, whatever.

Once, just once, I'd like to see someone say that it's obvious God hated the losing team.

Of course, a really great fantasy story would have God placing bets and controlling the outcome of all games.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Avatar13 Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:07 AM
Response to Original message
19. You'd never hear anyone blaming god for a loss
"I don't deserve blame for dropping that ball, it was jeebus who made me drop it and lose the game! Damn you , jebus! Why do you test me so?"

"They won because they prayed harder and longer than we did. They just prayed more, and the lord smiled upon them"

I don't think that the god they pray to cares so much about sports, let alone the outcome of one regular season game. And no god worthy of worship would ever favor the Colts or Payton Manning ;-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:01 AM
Response to Original message
22. and in other news
The head coach of the Tampa Bay Bucs praised Jesus for Monday night's victory, while the coach of Indianapolis placed the blame squarely on the multiplied shoulders of the Hindu god Vishnu.

:)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NicoleM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:09 AM
Response to Original message
23. I could not possibly
agree more with you. I find it absolutely silly that grown people seem to believe that the hand of God reached down and re-directed Vanderjagt's kick.

I wonder if Tony thinks God was responsible for the ref making that stupid leaping call, too. They might not have won without that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Oct 22nd 2014, 11:38 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » The DU Lounge Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC