Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Question for all of my vegetarian/vegan friends in the Lounge

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » The DU Lounge Donate to DU
 
StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 05:03 PM
Original message
Question for all of my vegetarian/vegan friends in the Lounge
If someone killed an animal (say, a cow for instance) for food and never ate it, and then an edible plant that you have no problem eating (say, a mushroom) were to grow on this animal, would it be wrong for you to eat it? :shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
vonSchloegel Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 05:35 PM
Response to Original message
1. I'm guessing it's okay
Since vegans have no problem eating beans that were grown in a field formerly inhabited by little bunnies and furry gophers who were all decapitated when the plow came through; I think a mushroom from a dead cow is acceptable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Yes, oh dear! You've shown me the error of my ways!
I'm going back to eating meat! Thank you!

:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #1
13. Hi Tim!
Edited on Wed Feb-02-05 02:33 PM by Susang
Slumming? :hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #1
17. I like decapitating animals even when it doesn't produce food
j/k

Proud member of the other PETA: People for Eating Tasty Animals. :silly:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 05:46 PM
Response to Original message
3. Oy vey
Do you pay your taxes? If you do, you fund our military, and our military has killed over 100,000 innocent Iraqis. That makes you a murderer. Should you be put on death row?

This is the same sort of logic that you are using with your question. It seems like a rather thinly veiled attempt to open up a flame war. Do we really need that?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Well Put.
WHAT is with some DUers animosity towards vegans/vegetarians? I just DO NOT get it. :shrug: Can you (OP) explain why you would even ask this question, please?

And to answer you, no, I wouldn't eat it. :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #4
12. valid question. food is food, and this is an interesting situation.
at least to me. frankly, i don't give a shit if you eat vegetables, dairy products, beef, pork, fish, or dog meat, it was just a question...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #3
11. i wasn't surmising anything, nor was i trying to pin any blame on anyone
i was just asking a question based on a situation that I found intriguing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
StrongbadTehAwesome Donating Member (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 06:21 PM
Response to Original message
5. sure - my reasons for not eating meat aren't morality-related
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 06:21 PM by StrongbadTehAwesome
well, they are in a way, but they're not killing-animals-related. To me it's a land-use/rainforest preservation issue and a health issue.

On edit: Actually, no, I wouldn't. I hate mushrooms. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 07:44 PM
Response to Original message
6. You should edit your subject line.
It should read: "STUPID question for all my vegetarian/vegan friends in the Lounge."

Do we really intimidate you that much?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. Pangs of guilt manifest
Everybody once loved animals and was horrified at the thought of death - except for serial killers. Some won't admit it, but everyone has toddler photos or memories of touching the cow muzzle or petting the bunny with awe, smiles and wonder.

A good progressive (or human being) is willing to face how their own lifestyle affects this planet and their fellow humans. The flesh food industry consumes enormous resources in water, grain and irreparable (in this lifetime) habitat destruction and subsequent species extinction. This consumption has forced millions the world over into new levels of desperate poverty because the staple grains which once nourished them are now fed to cattle so that fat Americans can have their cheeseburgers, fast.

You want a real eye opener? Google these words together. ConAgra chili feces - Yum.

Animal misery vis a vie factory farming has led to the most contaminated products meant for human food consumption. One Big Mac, or three pieces of Kentucky Fried Chicken gives you about up to 150 times more dioxins than the EPA feels would be a reasonable level according to Dr. Arnold Shecter, a dioxin expert. The most recent and dramatic example of dioxin poisoning was Viktor Yushchenko.

In 2001 the USDA decided that there should be no consequences for packing plants whose products had near 100% contamination levels of salmonella - - - SALMONELLA
Symptoms (after eating): Onset: 6-48 hours; nausea, fever, headache, severe abdominal cramps, diarrhea, and vomiting lasting 2-7 days. Can be fatal. The list of common contaminants in factory farmed animal flesh goes on and on.

Google prion disease, CJD, downer cow, even if you convince yourself that you just couldn't give a damn about the anguish, misery and ugliness of a cow being skinned while she is still alive or a sow crying while she is split - still conscious through her anus down her spinal cord.......... even if you can't admit that you care about that, you should be concerned about the dangers for which this ugly industry is responsible.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), food borne illnesses cause approximately 76 million cases of gastrointestinal illness, 325,000 hospitalizations, and 5,000 deaths per year in the United States.

Please visit www.factoryfarming.org The inhumane and vile conditions these poor animals live and die in are now killing us as well. I know not everyone will be willing to adopt a vegetarian lifestyle, even though plant based diets have proved to be much healthier, better for you and your planet. But humane farming and humane slaughter produces healthier animal products and that equals a healthier food supply for those who choose to eat flesh products. It would mean an increase in the price of animal flesh and a decrease in the amount of flesh products consumed, and that is a good thing and finally the point. This species CANNOT continue indefinitely on a path of ever increased flesh consumption, this planet will not support it, Our resources are limited.

What you eat, what you consume, affects this planet and all of it's inhabitants. This is true whether you are the kind of person who cares or not.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. No more need be added to your post. Thank you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #6
14. thanks for the personal attack, it was meant to be an amusing inquiry
into a situation that I generally found intriguing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 04:55 AM
Response to Original message
8. NO I wouldn't eat it ...
I don't like mushrooms. x(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 06:25 AM
Response to Original message
9. No
but I'd say that was a really pointless/silly question.
Do you know what processes the meat that you eat have been through?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 06:31 AM
Response to Original message
10. I wouldn't want to eat it. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 03:19 PM
Response to Original message
16. Gods, but that's a stupid question...
... 'cause everyone knows mushrooms are grown on dead cows. :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. take some more codeine; mushrooms grow on dead organic material
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr 24th 2024, 06:33 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » The DU Lounge Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC