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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:16 PM
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Any body have any hunting pics from last year to show ?
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 09:17 PM by bearfan454
I was just wondering.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:19 PM
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1. SSSHHH We`re huntin`.....what?
Deer, birds, fowl, big game, m.i.l.f.s What?
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:24 PM
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4. I just wanted to see what kind of luck all the hunters here
at DU had last year.
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Maine Mary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:38 PM
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59. m.i.l.f.s LOL
I just found out what that means last weekend. My 18 year old daughter told me that that is what her male college friends call me.
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:36 PM
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65. Hey i havent seen you around in awhile.
You milf.
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:20 PM
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2. I shot a bear
with my camera :-)

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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:31 PM
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7. Did you really take that picture wonk?
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:39 PM
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12. Yeah. Like it?
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:48 PM
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14. yep, it was cool
Where was it? And how long did you wait for him to look over at you?
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:31 AM
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20. Just happened to see it as I was driving home & happened to have my camera
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 12:34 AM by Wonk
handy, so I stopped, aimed, and shot a few pics (trying out my new digital camera where I can just delete any frames that aren't "keepers"). The bear was only about 40 feet off the road, and once he noticed me (that pic I posted above) I decided I'd got enough and put the car back in gear and drove on.

Not much of a story, really....

on edit: driving home from a weekend at my folk's cottage with some friends. Dirt road, basically in the middle of nowhere (thus, the bear).
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wiggle-room Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:22 PM
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3. Like what - a deer with its head blown off?
one question - WHY!?
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:26 PM
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5. Some people like hunting, others don't
I understand if you aren't for it.
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:34 PM
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9. Just ask yourself if you eat hamburger
Then you have the answer to your question.
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wiggle-room Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:36 PM
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11. Man, see, I don't want to be confrontatinal
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 09:38 PM by wiggle-room
I just want a hunter to explain to me what that bloodlust is all about.

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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:48 PM
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15. I won't try to speak for anyone but myself, but
if you are sincerely interested send me an e mail and I will try to explain. I have hunted for years and have thought long and hard about my reasons for doing so. They are complex and not easily summarized in a forum like this.
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wiggle-room Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:53 PM
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18. Can't email, and I've not enough posts to pm u
but just tell me, why, what is it that makes you want to invade a creatures "secure" habitat and then wait in the bushes for clean kill shot?

What do you get from that?
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:49 PM
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16. It isnt bloodlust
otherwise we would hunt people. ;-)
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:02 AM
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21. You DO want to be confrontational...
or else you would have just avoided this thread. I am not a hunter, but living in the deep south, I know many, and I understand why they do it---here it is because of poverty and a desire to fill the freezer. And I can understand why people would rather eat deer meat that they processed themselves than cow meat that was processed in an unsanitary facility. (Being the "bleeding heart liberal" that you are, have you not read "Fast Food Nation" and understood the inherent dangers of eating hamburger meat, or any other meat processed in a slaughterhouse plant?)

No one in my family hunts, so I am not "pro-hunting," but I understand why people do hunt here. You wholesale label hunting as a "bloodlust"--that is not so with all hunters. Sounds like you like to throw labels around, since you are so sure that all DUers are bleeding hearts, and all hunters are heartless animal killers--the two just don't gel in your small minded philosophy do they?

Well, here is a revelation for you. MANY DUers are moderate leftists, or centrists in some cases (I think of myself as liberal, however), and many hunters I know are Democrats. So I think all are welcomed here.

And by the way that includes you. Welcome to DU. Hope you simmer down and rein in your condescension.
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wiggle-room Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:26 AM
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23. Why attack me? And please respond to post #24
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 01:42 AM by wiggle-room
and back off a little, huh?

I was seriously trying to understand what the hunter gets out of "success" or killing - and if I gave any other impression, then I sould practice being more precise.

At the very heart of this thread tho, is the action of one living thing knowingly, eagerly, happily taking the life of another living thing. Question me all you like, but it doesn't change that.

And thanks for explaining the "south" to me, knowing that I'm from, uh, the north and all (you really don't know where I'm from).

But I get your defensiveness - I guess I could have been seen as coming across as some high-and-mighty life activist telling others what they can and can't kill. All apologies.

btw, when would a person get so poor as to not be able to buy any food, yet still be able to own a gun, and buy ammo? I'm pretty sure my local homeless shelter ain't servin venison. But then again, that's really not what I was asking to begin with.`


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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:51 AM
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30. Actually, your local homeless shelter IS serving venison
Check with them...hunters donate venison to homeless shelters.

And a twelve gauge shell, which costs less than a dollar, is a hell of a lot less expensive than a side of beef. And it has potential to fill a freezer for a season. As for the shotgun, well, you can buy one for less than a hundred, but the one I own was passed down to me from my grandfather. The only thing it has killed was a coyote who tried to kill my dog.

I am not defensive--you asked for responses, and I gave you one.

I just LOVE posters like you who come to this forum to ask "innocent" questions about lifestyles with which they don't agree, and then in reaction rip anyone who offers an explanation.

I never said the hunter couldn't AFFORD to buy food, but venison is healthier than beef, AND it is cheaper to provide. That is true of the south (where I live) and UH the north where you reside.

FYI, I have nice, rural acreage here on which I allow NO ONE to hunt. It is almost like a sanctuary for deer--I can go out any evening and see 10-20 deer. YOu have chosen the wrong person on which to declare war.

Don't ask questions to which you can't bear the answers.

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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:00 AM
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34. Venison donations
"I'm pretty sure my local homeless shelter ain't servin venison."

You might be surprised. Just do a Google search for "venison donation" and you'll get hundreds of links to local and national organizations that allow hunters to shoot extra deer or geese if they donate them to the local food shelves. Usually these extra permits are given in areas where the deer and goose populations have grown too large for the food supply to support, and they are damaging forests and cropland. I know that last fall here in MN, several thousand deer were donated to local food shelves and charities, as well as a good number of geese.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:56 AM
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53. The homeless shelters here DO serve venison.
It is donated by hunters for the hungry. I have donated it several times myself.
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anti_shrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:47 PM
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68. Well
my one friend is a contractor who works for himself, and things get lean in the winter. He went hunting and was able to feed himself for the rest of the winter off of what he hunted.

I personally don't hunt, but a lot of people around here do and I can see the need for it.

To each his own and all that...
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:40 PM
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75. I'm not being confrontational...
...you asshole! I mean come on, you use the word blood lust and then get all huffy when someone says you're being confrontational (and rightly so). Aren't Vegans supposed to be a bit more pastoral?
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:35 AM
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25. That's always the answer...
But not all of us eat hamburger.
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:41 PM
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66. True but not all of us go without eating meat.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:20 AM
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40. Plenty of anti-hunters do NOT eat
hamburger or meat of any kind, I know I don't. That always seems to be the first thing hunters want to throw out at those who are opposed to hunting and it is still two different things.
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:43 PM
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67. Not to all
I only throw that one out to those who eat meat. If the original poster says that he/she is a vegan...then i take it back. 9 times out of ten, atleast from these threads ive seen on DU, its always a meat eater.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 10:26 AM
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89. FUCK THAT
EATING MEAT AND ENJOYING KILLING ANIMALS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:53 AM
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52. Deer hunting is a way of life here in Tx and all over the
rest of the country too. It is 8 weekends straight that I get away to the woods, sit around a campfire, go sit in my stand and see if any deer show up. The meat is delicious. You cannot legally buy deer meat in Tx. We shoot turkeys too. We even got 2 bobcats last year and an Axis deer. My neighbor out there shot a 300 pound hog. Talk about pork chops, man ! It is exciting. When a couple of deer walk out your heart starts pounding fast. Then if a nice buck comes out I put the crosshairs right behind his front shoulder and shoot. I also shoot does and freak deer too. I don't shoot fawns. It is a more humane way to die than being killed in a beef slaughterhouse. Our forefathers didn't have grocery stores. They had to go out and kill their own meat. I know a lot of people do not like hunting. But a lot of people do like to hunt too. I understand if you don't like it. But I do.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:49 AM
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29. A few reasons off the top of my head
1) The meat is much healthier for you than store-bought beef or poultry as it is lower in fat or the chemicals, antibiotics, and hormones typically found in farm-raised animals. As has already been mentioned, it doesn't have to go through a large-scale slaugherhouse either where it could possibly be contaminated.

2) It is much more humane IMO to go into the woods and deliver a quick, relatively painless blow to an animal that has lived it's entire life free, than to purchase meat from an animal that was raised it's entire life caged and penned, made to suffer in a factory farm, and then given an often-times prolonged and painful death in a slaughterhouse.

3) Whitetail deer populations are exceeding the carrying capacity of many woodlands across the eastern US and are causing significant ecological damage through overgrazing of the forests. With so many people living throughout the eastern US, predator re-introduction is usually impossible (who would agree to wolf or mountain lion reintroduction programs when the animals are being released only miles from your home or your child's school?). Therefore, humans are the only potential predators left to reduce the deer population in many areas.

I don't see hunting as "bloodlust." I see it as a natural part of human nature. We evolved as omnivores, eating whatever we could collect, scavenge or kill. When you look at N. America alone, you could easily make the argument humans are just as much natural predators here as are the wolves, bears or mountain lions, considering humans have inhabited (and hunting) N. America for 12,000+ years. I simply recognize that I enjoy eating meat, and that no matter what I do (short of becoming a vegan), animals will die for that desire. By taking it upon myself to harvest my own meat, I don't contribute to the factory farming industry or cause animals to suffer excessively.
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:58 AM
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33. I am SO sorry to have to disagree with you on this...
Honestly, I don't want this to become a flame thing.

You say it's much more humane to go out and deliver a quick, relatively painless blow to an animal. Have you ever been shot? I'm sure it's not 'painless'. And my dad is a hunter. I've heard the stories of having to track a deer that you shot until it pretty much bleeds to death or dies of shock. I'm sorry, that is neither quick nor painless.

As far as humans being the only predators and introducing the predators back near human habitation all I can say is that WE are the ones who think we own this planet. Deer are a problem? Who caused that problem? We people can't seem to keep our hands off something that works.

Personally speaking I'd love everyone to become a vegan. It's healthier and better for our planet (especially good for those who want to use hunting as trying to be ecologically friendly). However, I don't see that happening yet.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:31 AM
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43. Relatively painless
As in compared to the pain farm animals endure at a slaughterhouse when they are butchered, not to mention their entire lives being castrated, given shots, debeaked, teeth clipped, tails cut off, dehorned, etc. We had to do many of these things even on the small family farm I grew up on, and I can tell you it did not look like something the animals enjoyed. I can only imagine the horrible lives factory-farmed animals live; at least ours get large pens and pastures to move around in.

Having hunted and shot several deer, I can attest to the fact that, if the hunter practices before the season, takes his time and makes a good chest shot, the deer is usually dead in under a minute of the shot. The massive amount of damage done by the round means it bleeds out very fast. Deer must be trailed often times because even a good shot through the heart and lungs still leaves the animal enough oxygen in the blood to run a few seconds before collapsing. If you've ever seen a deer sprint, you can tell they are FAST! Even a few seconds of acceleration is all they need to go many yards. In an area that has tall grass and brush, it may take you an hour to find a deer that has only run 50 yds. Just because it takes you an hour to find the deer doesn't mean it was alive and suffering the entire hour. The problem is that the slobs who call themselves hunters grab their guns the day before hunting season, shoot at a few cans out back for practice and call it good enough. They then have a few beers before going out, spray an area with lead the moment they hear a noise in the bushes and pray to hit something. These people give real hunters a bad name, and we despise them just as much as anyone else.

Yes, we contributed to the problem of deer overpopulation by exterminating other native predators; of that there is no dispute between us. But my point remains, who would agree to allow predator re-introduction programs near suburban areas? Very few people would agree to that. There just doesn't seem to be any other solution to the deer overpopulation situation though. Not doing anything now, and letting Nature take its course would lead to a massive population die-off of deer across the eastern US as they deplete their food supplies and succumb to starvation, disease and the winter weather. They would also take with them most of the forests and woodlands, stripping them bare before dying off, not to mention the massive damage they would do to farmer's fields. The ecological damage would be devastating and take decades to recover. One only has to look up information on snow geese and their effect on the Canadian and Alaskand tundra to see what happens when species overpopulate. The tundra is being turned to salty mud as they eat everything that grows, and most states are now allowing unrestricted hunting of them to reduce their numbers.

I have a couple friends who are ovo-lacto-vegans, and I do find it admirable that they can maintain such a diet. I just don't think it's for everyone, myself included. More power to those who can do it though.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:39 AM
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46. Small point of order:
Ovo-lacto vegans? There's no such animal, I fear.

One can be an ovo-lacto vegetarian (though the term 'vegetarian' usually implies ovo-lacto), but a vegan consumes no animal products--including eggs and dairy.

Oh, and a vegan lifestyle is not the back-breaking effort some make it out to be. :) Honestly.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:08 AM
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58. so much for "free range" meat, then....
Which is better...a deer living in the wild, who gets shot, killed, and eaten, or a cow living in a pen, pumped full of hormones and god knows what else, unable to move around freely, and then slaughtered?

If you were the meatsock in question, which life would you prefer?
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #33
69. So you would agree with predator reintroduction?
I myself do but i rarely find someone else who wouldnt be scared of getting mauled by a wolf, bear or cougar.
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:32 PM
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8. I had some luck
but im not posting pictures of Teal in order to stay friendly with the anti-hunters. Maybe some other time, later in the year, pheasant season.
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wiggle-room Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:34 PM
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10. .
:eyes:
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:46 PM
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13. Support The Right To Arm Bears
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:52 PM
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17. I found an anti hunter friendly picture.
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wiggle-room Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:18 PM
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19. I'm taking the bait, right?
I'm sure it was a joy for that animal to bite into a nice flesh-piercing hook.

Its ok to eat fish
cuz they dont have any feelings

who said that?
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:06 AM
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22. Christ on crutches...you are being ridiculous.
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 01:07 AM by jchild
Aaargh!

And, by the way, 1a2b3c, that is a fine fish (bass?)! Where'd you catch it? I fish too, but just for fun and a few meals of brim and perch. LOL! Never caught anything that big except for a catfish named Blue who ruled the pond.
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wiggle-room Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:30 AM
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24. no no no, explain this to me please!
why is a fish different than a deer different than a dog????

what makes one's life more valuable, and taboo to kill, while killing the other is just passing the time?

PLEASE EXPLAIN IT TO ME!
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #24
31. Because fish tastes GREAT...
especially salmon with lemon pepper.

If you don't want to eat it, don't. If you want to be a veggie, fine. I choose to eat meat. I find it quite yummy, indeed!
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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:04 AM
Response to Reply #24
36. Well........
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 02:07 AM by Pert_UK
You could argue that fish lack the necessary pain receptors and neural capacity to feel pain, the mammals listed don't...

If you don't buy that, you could always argue that commercially caught fish and commercially slaughtered meat probably suffer far more horrible deaths than a fish being caught, so unless you're a Black Belt vegan then it's hypocritical to be anti-fishing or anti-hunting, provided it's done for food.

On edit - and no, I wouldn't have any problem with eating dog, although happily there were more appealing items on the menu when I visited Guangzhou, and anyway, I didn't really want them to slaughter one just for me.

IMHO of course.

P.
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:41 AM
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26. Being ridiculous?
How so? If the person has a valid question I don't see any reason to say that he or she is being ridiculous.

You told them (I'm sorry Wiggle, I'm not sure if you're a man or woman) that they could have just avoided this thread but that can be said about many threads that people come to see. It would be just as easy to have said that the thread shouldn't have been posted in the first place.

And, while you may not think so, Wiggle has brought up the same point that I have. What is the difference between a fish, a deer or a dog? Is it just because you can't pet a fish or a deer?

Oh, and no, I don't eat hamburger.
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wiggle-room Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #26
27. : - )
thanks will

and I'm a guy
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:45 AM
Response to Reply #27
28. Wow, what a coincidence!
Me, too. :-)
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:56 AM
Response to Reply #26
32. It is cultural...
We throw a beef steak on the grill, but not a kitty. Kitties provide protein too, yet for cultural reasons, we don't eat 'em.


I see no difference in hunting deer or fishing for fish. I like venison sausage, but I am not a hunter. I like fishing, and also like fish. I choose not to be a vegitarian. However, I don't browbeat you for choosing not to eat meat.

So the answer to your question is that it is all CULTURAL. Food taboos are cultural.

I guess the original poster on this thread should have expected such from the judgemental vegans who want to ridicule anyone who includes meat in his or her diet. I do, it's my business, and I think that I offered reasonable explanations as to why hunting is prevalent in MY CULTURE.
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:03 AM
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35. Vegans
I work in a hotel room service. I don't judge people who order cheeseburgers or steak. I give them the same service as those who order pasta. It's not my choice and when they ask me which is better the steak or the burger I honestly tell them that I haven't had either one. So please don't assume that I'm being judgemental to anyone.

Hunting is not for me. I don't agree with it. I think it's wrong (this coming from the person who lives in the state that just passed a mourning dove hunt on our state bird of peace) but if you want to do it, that's fine. I just don't want to see the results.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:15 AM
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39. Did you not read that I DON'T DO IT. n/t
And I don't want to see photos of it either. I simply answered the question posed by the other poster.
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:20 AM
Response to Reply #39
41. Oh, no!
I didn't mean 'you' personally when I said 'you'. I'm sorry if that's what you thought. My 'you' was just a general one. I should have said, "If people want to do it..."

Apologies on that.
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #35
73. you mean there really was a state where you couldnt hunt doves?
I thought someone was kidding the other day when they said that. :-)
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wiggle-room Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #32
38. killing is killing and death is death
dress it up as you will

it can't be any fun for the dying

and I mean that in the most non-judgemental sense.

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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #38
42. TOTALLY correct Wiggle
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 02:38 AM by Piperay
I am in complete agreement, killing is wrong. I just can't see the pleasure in bringing about the death of a living creature, I will never understand the mindset of it.

Welcome to DU Wiggle! :-)
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:32 AM
Response to Reply #38
44. Well, do you not kill plants to eat them?
Is being a vegan superior to being an omnivore because you eat living things that don't have brains?

You are right--killing is killing, and death is death, and plants die if you eat them.

All primates consume other living things, whether plant or animals, so you are killing to eat, too.

I guess your line is drawn at eating anything that has a brain.
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:14 AM
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50. All living things consume.
I never said that I was superior because I was a vegan. I would never presume to say something like that. I am superior to no one...well, almost no one. There was this guy at work but he's a different story entirely.

Having a brain and being capable of thought is a large difference. So is locomotion. Plants don't move from spot to spot and set up house there.

People have to decide for themselves what they are going to do. I can't make up your mind for you any more than you can make a decision for me. However, that doesn't mean we can't discuss our opinions. Who knows...maybe something someone says will actually cause us to think differently on something?
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markbark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #44
81. Hmmmm.....
Quoth the poster: I guess your line is drawn at eating anything that has a brain.

So... that means for Vegans that eating Fundamentalist Republicans is OK?

(Yeah Mark, go ahead and thwack the beehive again :evilgrin: )

--MAB
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:38 AM
Response to Reply #38
45. Killing and death are also part of nature
Things die so that other things can live. If you believe there is no difference between the life of a deer or the live of a dog, what happens when a wolf (a dog on steroids) has to kill a deer to live and feed its pups?
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:55 AM
Response to Reply #45
47. There is a huge difference...
Between 'has to' and 'wants to'.

A wolf MUST hunt to survive. Man does not need to do this.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:59 AM
Response to Reply #47
48. But the other option, if one eats meat, is to let someone else
kill it for him or her. Some people prefer to hunt for themselves instead of buying often contaminated meat products from packers.

Considering the diseases and contamination now prevalent in meat packing facilities, the "want to" may evolve into "have to" if one wants his or her meat-eating family to remain healthy, free from e-coli and other forms of disease found in slaughterhouse beef.

Again, I am sure you have read "Fast Food Nation?"


Like the issue of abortion, this is one topic on which ALL DUers will never agree. I respect your choice and do not judge you for it, so please do the same for me.
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:06 AM
Response to Reply #48
49. Respect?
I have not disrespected you. At least not intentionally. If you thought that I did I apologize for it.

I do not agree with eating meat. I certainly don't agree with hunting. It is, however, your life. You have to live it as you see fit.

No, I have never read "Fast Food Nation". Having worked in some restaurants and seen some really disgusting things I already know what happens in some of these places. If you ever have the opportunity to read a book called "That Which You Are Seeking Is Causing You To Seek" (It's a Buddhist book) I stronly suggest reading the back of it "One Less Act of Violence" (at least that's what I think it's called). That part of the book alone will give you some insight into my being a vegan (if you care about why I'm vegan).
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #49
74. It's not really being Vegan...
...if you serve people dead animals for snacks is it?
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #48
51. Contamination in food is not
restricted to what is pre-packaged. I don't see that hunting something guarantees that it is safer to eat. There is so much pollution in the environment now that how do you know what kind of contamination there may be in stream the animal has drank from or what was in plants or animals that the hunted animal has consumed.

This is something that some of us are never going to agree on but anyway I LOVE your signature line. :thumbsup: :-)
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #38
90. If "killing is killing and death is death"?
Then how can you justify your existence. Nearly everything you do required someone else to kill an animal for you.

You want to remodel your house?

Someone had to cut down a tree, killing animals.

You want to write on paper?

Someone had to cut down a tree, killing animals.

You want to eat some veggies?

Some farmer had to crush animals in the process.

You want to use your computer?

Someone had to dig up coal, killing animals.


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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #32
54. Actually I just wanted to see some pics of
last years hunting from the hunters at DU. Sorry for causing the flamefest everybody.............bearfan454
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #22
72. Sea bass
Pacific Ocean
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #19
71. curt
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #19
76. But you didn't want to be confrontational, remember?
Sheesh...
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #17
79. Nice fish !
Did you get it mounted ?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:10 AM
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37. Aren't there hunting sites on the internet to post this?
I mean kill all you want, I don't stop people from doing it simpy because I am not a fan of it, but frankly I think posting pictures of dying or freshly dead animals has its place somewhere on the internet.

If you did it here, I would suspect you were only doing it to antagonize those who do object to it.
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #37
56. You know, a simple solution would be
to just avoid the thread? :shrug:
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Blue_Chill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #56
57. Another simple solution would be
to outlaw hunting. :D
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Maine Mary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #37
60. Yeah I agree
Aren't you kind of baiting people here? This is your second hunting thread in less then a week.

As you'll notice on your other thread I have nothing against hunting but many people on DU have some issues w/it. Far be it for me to tell you what to do but perhaps you might want to take these discussions elsewhere? Or at the very least space em out a little more? Just a suggestion...
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. So?
"This is your second hunting thread in less then a week."

Some people here post multiple cat/kitten threads in the same day. Personally, if you don't want to discuss hunting, then don't reply to this thread! Sheeeesh!

Brian
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Maine Mary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #61
63. Who ever I said I don't want to discuss hunting?
As a matter of fact I could discuss it till people's eyes begin glazing over as it's a personal interest of mine. (I don't hunt, but I Represent nearly 5k people who do and sit on my State's Inland Fisheries and Wildlife Comm)

For some reason it's a sore subject w/alot of folks on this forum. And though I may not agree w/them on this issue, I think they are good people. Why rub em the wrong way in a forum meant for light subjects? To some of them, the issue is offensive.

I'll admit, I've been known to bring up the subject on occaision myself. But out of courtesy to others I try not to overdo it. I could be wrong (and it's only a perception) but it seems as if the original poster wants to flamebait. THAT is where I have a problem.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #63
82. I wanted to see if any hunters on DU had good luck last year.
I didn't know that this is such a hot issue on DU. I wasn't trying to flamebait a thread. I just like hunting and am excited because it is right around the corner down here. Should I have posted this in the Justice / Guns / Public Safety Forum instead ?
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #82
86. No, this is a good place for it
the gun dungeon deals with crime. Hunting is not criminal, nor is it always done with firearms (I use a bow).
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #61
70. Comeon Brian..the gun folks are one of the only groups that has their
own forum on DU...why not post this stuff down there rather than in the lounge where you KNOW it is only done to antagonize.
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #70
87. Because the gun dungeon deals with CRIME
and hunting is not criminal. It is a lifestyle, though unpopular with some, is not immoral. (Hmmmm, where have I heard that before?)
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #60
80. I will. Thanks for the advice. I guess it isn't a good idea to post
on Du about hunting. I just got kind of excited since it is right around the corner. I hope I didn't offend anyone. If I did it wasn't on purpose.................bearfan454
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #80
85. Nah, fuck that bearfan
a lot of us here enjoy hunting. I for one, refuse to be made to feel that my lifestyle, though unpopular with some, is immoral and not welcom topic for discussion here.

It's a very spiritual activity for me, and I, for one, will continue to post hunting stories, whether I make a kill or not.

B
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #85
88. Thanks.
I will enjoy reading them.
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:25 AM
Response to Original message
55. I've been hunting for 22 years
and have exactly ZERO pictures of animals I've killed.

I don't take pictures of dead animals for the same reason I didn't take a picture of my Dad after he died. I prefer to remember both in life.

The moment of the kill and immediately after, until the animal is in the freezer, should be between the hunter and the hunted. I've always found pictures of killed animals morbid and disrespectful.

Brian
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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #55
62. Eloquent & excellent.....
Nice work, Fly.

:toast:

I must admit, that whilst I have nothing against hunting for food I did find the idea of glorifying in the death of the animal to be a bit distasteful.

P.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 08:36 AM
Response to Reply #62
77. On the other hand...
...glorifing the dead animal (taking pictures, having it mounted, etc) is not unlike the caveman drawing a picture of the animal on his wall. So maybe those that don't hunt or eat meat are just more evolved than others.
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:35 PM
Response to Original message
64. Holy shit....this thread is still alive.
Im gonna read it just to see how much of a flame fest it turned out to be.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #64
78. Should we invite them back to 'the dungeon?'
It's pretty hot in here for the lounge... ;-)
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Arwennick Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 10:05 AM
Response to Original message
83. A Country boy can survive
I have no Deerhead mounts
no fish on the walls
no pictures of kills
clean or otherwise

but

I have a freezer full of fish,
deer meat,squirrels,rabbit and coon
I've eaten Nutria,possum and rattlesnake
not for pleasure
but for life

Some will understand
some won't

A country boy can survive
even under a Bushwacked economy
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #83
84. I understand YellowDogRedneck
I do.
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