Creepy Chemtrail Creatures: we're breathing in aerosol polymers

[librechik]

and fungus and stuff...from Mars




read more here: (several interesting links)
http://www.rense.com/general39/chem.htm

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In addition to very high levels of barium and a form of aluminum (think Alzheimer's) discovered by Clifford Carnicom, we have had numerous reports of these tiny polymers which saturate
the air during and after aerosol spraying operations(chemtrails)

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Don't waste your time poohpoohing me, skeptics. I'm just the messenger.

[number9]

1. I won't poo poo this

I would've thought you were nuts a few years ago, but I saw the damn trails three times so far this year. Way out of the ordinary crap, and not due to the conditions in the atmosphere. Nothing was different than on most other days.

My question to people who think chemtrails are bullshit:

Do you remember seeing that type of crap when you were a kid? I live in an area semi-isolated, and the airline schedules are easy to keep track of. This is nothing like that.

edit: not from Mars, though.

[Az]

2. So let met get this straight

They are spraying a substance in the air that over time causes a spread of the pattern to far greater expanse than they could possibly spray. Sort of like a crystalization process. These patterns expand and eventually form large conglomorations of water vapors which eventually disapate over land. Good grief. Do you realise what you have found?!?! You've discovered clouds!

Seriously though. What you are observing is a known phenom. It literally is cloud formation caused by the exhaust systems of modern jets. Changes in fuel mixtures and engines as well as increase air traffic has resulted in more of these being formed. Directly they are no threat.

There is a potential threat from them that is being researched. These contrails can initiate cloud systems that can lead to an alteration of weather patterns. The increase in cloud cover can have all manner of changes on the ecosystem. The specific effect is currently not known but it is being looked into. It is not a direct effect problem though. It is just clouds.

[number9]

3. This is my problem

"what you are observing is a known phenom. It literally is cloud formation caused by the exhaust systems of modern jets."

I live in an area where the pattern of jet takeoffs and landings is and has been the same for years, yet I noticed the different, periodic patterns of exhaust only recently. If it's a natural weather phenomenon I wonder why it didn't exist until the past few years?

[jus_the_facts]

4. Yep.....I agree.....

....it isn't at all *normal*....I've read a lot about the subject seems more than just :tinfoilhat: to me too! I'm skeptical but don't buy that it's *just* clouds...there's much more to it than that imho! :

[sfecap]

5. I'm curious about something...

Jet aircraft don't always make contrails. And they definately don't make them when flying at low altitudes. (It has to do with temperature and water content of the upper atmosphere on any given day.) If an aircraft is flying over your area, how do you know where it came from, where it is going, what route it is flying, and what airline it belongs to, or is it a corporate, military or privately owned airplane?

You say that schedules are easy to find. That may be true, but are you intimately familiar with all of the jet airways in The US? Have you heard of direct routings?

BTW...the picture shown is the California coast, not Oregon.

[number9]

6. I live 200 miles from Albuquerque and 90 miles from Amarillo

The commercial flights are easy to track, but the ones coming from Cannon afb or Kirkland afb are not. I don't care where they come from, but I know from seeing the results that something is going on up there. It didn't used to ever happen, and now it does. I don't think the weather has changed.

[Az]

9. Weather hasn't changed?

Scientists are watching as the ecosystems around mountains crawl up the mountain. We measure the march of the permafrost ever north. I trust you have heard of Global Warming. Thats the weather.

[sfecap]

13. Maybe I wasn't clear about my question...

HOW do you "easily" track commercial aircraft flying over your area?

You keep saying that it's "easy". Do you have some kind of radar at home that IDs them?

[number9]

17. I don't think its too difficult to find out the flights

coming and going from Alb and Amarillo. As everyone else seems to say here "google it." Like I said, I'm in a secluded area, and I spend a great deal of time outdoors.

[sfecap]

20. You don't think it's too difficult?

So...if I "google" the next high altitude airliner I see over my house, how do I identify it for Google?

Look, what you are seeing are contrails.

[number9]

22. look for info regarding commercial flights if that's what you want

you don't have to wait for the sound of one to go over your head. My thought about these damn things has nothing to do with commercial flights anyway - hence my earlier post stating that flight schedules haven't changed. It's not part of the equation.

[Az]

7. Things change

One of the effects of global warming is that there is more moisture in the air. This is due to the increase of evaporation due to the heat. More moisture in the air means more water to crystalize around the contrails (a known effect) of jets. The contrails expand into larger cloud systems. This goes against how one would expect a spraying effect to behave. When crop dusters spray they place a fixed amount of material into the air and it descends. It does not grow in quantity. It disipates. The effect you are seeing is crystalization.

Do not let increduality form the basis of your opinions. That is to say when you look at something you do not understand do not jump to conclusions. Sometimes you have to be able to say "I don't know". Sometimes we are ignorant. But ignorance can be cured. But not by guessing.

[number9]

11. Sorry

but I don't buy that for a minute. I don't want to sound like a nutcase, but I do know what I see. I global warming and moisture had something to do with it, I would think it would happen more often.

[Az]

12. You are seeing it all the time

This is a problem climatologists are looking into right now. The contrail clouds become massive systems in time. Thus many of the clouds you see are the result of these systems. You only recognise them when their structure has not yet dispersed. As they grow they twist and turn. But early in their development they are more linear and recognisable as the trails left by jets.

[number9]

14. I'm set in my ways

but am very willing to be open to information. Can you please provide some links to information that would assist me in seeing your point of view?
Thanks! (really - I'm open to it)

[Az]

25. Some sources

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990624080829.htm

By the year 2050, increased flights by jet airplanes will impact global climate through the greater number of contrails they will produce, according to a new study in the July 1 issue of the journal, Geophysical Research Letters. Contrails are ice clouds created by jet engines and are short lived in dry air, but can persist for hours in moist air and become indistinguishable from natural cirrus clouds.

Air traffic and, therefore, contrails, are not evenly distributed around the globe.They are concentrated over parts of the United States and Europe, where local warming reaches up to 0.7 watts per square meter, or 35 times the global average. The resulting temperature increase is not computed in this study, but is estimated to reach between 0.01 and 0.1 degrees Celsius (0.02 and 0.2 degrees Fahrenheit) over the northern temperate zones for current air traffic. In the future, increased air traffic will raise these values.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/08/020808075457.htm

For three days after September 11, the Federal Aviation Administration grounded commercial aircraft in the U.S., stranding travelers, hindering mail delivery and interrupting courier service, but for scientists at Penn State and the University of Wisconsin–Whitewater, the three-day shutdown provided a rare glimpse of the climate effects of jet contrails.
"In the past, some studies have compared the climate of areas with little overhead air traffic with those under heavily used flight paths," says Dr. Andrew M. Carleton, professor of geography. "Other studies looked at cloud cover before the advent of heavy jet traffic in the 1960s and afterwards, but these studies really provide circumstantial evidence."

[number9]

26. Thanks

that really does help. :)

[Az]

27. Thats what we are here for

To help each other.

[OneBlueSky]

8. no, these are definitely abnormal . . .

I don't know what they're doing, but they're sure as hell doing something . . . these are not contrails, they're something completely different . . . there have been days when I've seen a half dozen or more of these planes laying these trails throughout the sky, and they don't dissipate . . . and the planes don't go away, they just start another run . . . on some occasions, the sky looks like someone was doodling in the clouds . . . I've lived on Air Force bases and near major airports, and I know what contrails are, and these ain't . . .

[gate of the sun]

10. Last few years in Santa Fe

before this one chemtrails were a common site. YOu would see them crisscrossing all over the sky all day until it was cloudy from them. YOU could see them converging. This year for some reason they are not so much around. I have watched it.Dennis Kucinich mentioned it at the talk he gave here last year in Santa fe. He had some bill to disclose what was going on. People can laugh or dismiss it but this stuff is happening.

[sfecap]

16. Really? Are you sure they weren't just contrails?

How do you tell the difference between contrails and chemtrails?

This is an issue Kucinich is looking into?

[classics]

15. Sorry this is BS.

Wheres that picture from? Why is the magnification overlaid on the photo like its part of it? Where is this sample they got now, can I look at it? Its not a thread from a red sweater is it?

That picture looks like a bunch of planes took off from an airport toward the water, then turned north.

Oh and it doesnt help the case that the biggest pushers are the same people who spend all night ranting about aliens on the Art Bell show. Whos selling the 'chemtrails' books here?

[sfecap]

18. Actually, the picture looks like

a doctored infared photo that shows heat patterns emanating from coastal cities discharging treated water into the Pacific Ocean.

[Az]

19. Critical thought, an exercise

Lets think about how Chemtrails would be produced on the scale the claims would indicate. Keep in mind these things are seen where ever there are major airports. They are not exclusive to the US. The conspiracy necissary to produce this would be extrordinary. The production of the material being sprayed alone would be a substantial undertaking. Assuring the compliance of the pilots becomes an increasingly difficult problem as the program expands. Then the distribution method becomes problematic. As the conspiracy relies on secrecy the dangers of detection become increasingly intense as the plot expands.

Now compare all that to the simple solution that changes in engines, fuel, and other basic aspects of modern air flight change over time and may in part account for this phenom. Add to the mix the change in the atmosphere due to global warming. Occams Razor would suggest that the latter explanation is the more likely one. By no means is this conclusive but with a viable solution that does not go into the complexity suggested by the former is very convincing.

[number9]

21. let's not keep in mind that these things are seen where there are

major airports. Perhaps near (within a few hundred miles) of military airports.

again, I want to know what these things are - they didn't used to exist and now do. I do not think the slow motion effect of global warming could cause it, but if it does......

what are the results of that?

[sfecap]

28. They are contrails.

They exist all over the world and are caused by jetliners flying at high altitudes.

I don't know how old you are, but you didn't see them long ago because most of the commercial aircraft were prop planes flying at low altitudes. Contrails are a function of heated air meeting very cold air and forming vapor/ice crystals in the upper atmosphere. They won't hurt you, they are exhaust, much like auto exhaust on a cold day.

Contrails dissipate over time. That time is dependant on winds at altitude, temperature, and moisture content of the atmosphere and the exhaust gases. Often, contrails will linger overhead because of light winds in the upper atmosphere. Sometimes they will dissapate rapidly if they are in or near the jetstream. Sometimes they will hang around because they actually form high cirrus clouds because of the moisture crystalization.

They are contrails.

[number9]

29. I think I'm learning

don't mean to sound dense, but when I see something that I can't explain I 1) run 2)hide 3)try to explain 4)try to learn.

I feel like a neanderthal right now, but that's not a bad thing, is it?

[Az]

30. No worries

We all learn everything we learn for the first time at some time. Its unrealistic to expect that everyone learns the same set of knowledge at the same time.

Critical thought needs opposition so keep looking for different explanations but develop a means of discerning what you can and cannot know at the time. Also learn to accept that sometimes an explanation is not available yet. This doesn't mean you stop looking. But sometimes you just have to say "I don't know ....yet".

[sfecap]

31. Not at all...

Learning is a good thing! :-)

BTW...contrails are not usually found around major airports...they only occur at high altitudes. For instance, I see contrails out over the oceans, and there aren't airport with many hundreds of miles.

I know about contrails. I make them all the time. :-)

[otohara]

23. I Read Where House Dust Is Poop

from mytes living in carpet, amongst a bunch of other poop

[number9]

24. do the little myte bastards leave a trail?

hhhmmmmm.

[sam sarrha]

chinese polution

i heard that 35% of the polution in LA,CA now comes from china. the major cause of death in china is now environmental polution.

[sam sarrha]

32. chinese polution

i heard that 35% of the polution in LA,CA now comes from china. the major cause of death in china is now environmental polution.

[Birthmark]

33. My take on this...

...is that people are generally unfamiliar with many phenomena in the sky. For instance, how many people have see a circumzenithal arc?

http://www.sundog.clara.co.uk/halo/cza.htm

Poke around that site and enjoy the amazing displays that can be put on by ice, air, and light.

If someone saw one for the first time and decided it was some man-made substance and put it "out there" on the net or through the mass media, then s/he would almost certainly gain followers. If history is any guide, the stories would grow in complexity. "Evidence" would be found. A lot of people would waste a lot of time "explaining" what these man-made apparations were. I would be called a skeptic (among other things) for pointing out the correct explanation.

I believe that you have some nice pictures of contrails.

[cosmicdot]

34. not sure what we're breathing - but, I watched chemtrails

being planted in the skies above Phoenix/Scottsdale ... hardly the path of Sky Harbor Airport which parallels the 202 ... they were deliberate grids and/or crossing which, once "sprayed", 'bled', you know, spread out ... they seemed to dovetail toward the setting sun by the time 'the job' was done ... that wasn't 'normal' ... having grown up in Va Beach and military, it was like nothing I'd seen before