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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:15 AM
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I recently registered at a conservative site
Supposedly that site encourages debate between liberals and conservatives. I think you can probably guess which one I'm talking about. I decided to play nice and be the lounge lizard that I am. I'm really not the most knowledgeable liberal out there and I debate like Bush. Well along comes a liberal and makes some really good points. One of the admins responded to his post and called him every name in the book. Nobody debated the liberal's post. The conservatives could not defend their point of view. The liberal poster's name was changed by the admins to something calling him an idiot. Then his sig line was changed to something calling him a dumb motherfucker. The admin asked the liberal poster why he was such a dumb motherfucker and told him if he didn't answer that question in his next post he'd be banned. The liberal poster was banned. It is apparent that nobody was able to refute the liberal poster's original post.

That is the site where liberals and conservatives come to debate. I guess that only means if you're a liberal that doesn't bother the conservatives with the truth.
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:18 AM
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1. lol well i don't know what site you're talking about
but tell me so i can go lurk! they sound like a bunch of assholes!
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:20 AM
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2. Yeah, that's a pretty typical action {sigh} n/t
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:27 AM
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5. I met a some friendly people there
but the people who run then site are apparently assholes. I'm not going to mention the site in this thread because it will probably get locked as the folks here considered the site to be a rip off of their own. I will send you a private message so check your inbox in a few minutes.
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:39 AM
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8. thank you :)
n/t
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:24 AM
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3. i didn't even know there was a site like that where you had both sides
i know some people here go to the yahoo boards and talk politics one side to the other tho.
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huellewig Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:26 AM
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4. I made a profile at..
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 02:27 AM by huellewig
http://www.conservativematch.com /

And I put in some really bat-shit crazy stuff. Like random song lyrics where I was supposed to put my favorite books. Surprisingly, some ladies responded. I guess the crazies are attracted to the crazies.

/*fixed some typos*/
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:28 AM
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6. "Sweethearts, not bleeding hearts" - my, how romantic.
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:38 AM
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7. that's like ann coulter
i read some stuff once when she was talking about what kind of guys she was attracted to. ugh! what she described would send me screaming in the night :)
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:47 AM
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14. And she doesn't?
I was watching her on TV, not long after I read Al Franken's book and learned who she was, and I swear that skinny twit has an adam's apple.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:41 AM
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9. This Is The Standard Tactic - Attack Character Instead Of Debating Issues
I see this over, and over, over again.

There is one forum I attend infrequently.

Whenever I post an article that criticizes the right, all I hear is ad hominem replies.
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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:51 AM
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10. we should all go sign up and post 50,000 progressive posts
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:01 AM
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11. We'd crash the site I think
It would probably only take about 1000 of us to do that. The site moves really slow. There are people there with 5000 or more posts. I don't see how they got them.
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jdots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:36 AM
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12. debating seems to have not retained diplomacy
Trying to change/open someone's mind is not debating.Those people are very comfortable,it would be more productive to try to make them feel comfortable about being uncomfortable with whats going on.They have fallen for a line of crap,they can only reply with "you fell for a line of crap " Not true,one of the tools of facism is blaming everything on the intellects.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:41 AM
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13. Wow they sound harsh...
How are you going to deal with them?

I used to frequent a site that had a world events area. I had NO idea that it would attract so many Repubs. Funny thing is most of them don't even post in the main part of the board, only in that area. They tend to complain about how other sites are too strict, so that lead me to believe they are obnoxious and get banned a lot.

Seriously though how are you going to deal with all that crap they spew? They don't seem at all capable of intelligent conversation. A good majority seems to just say things like, "that's not correct," "that's not true," or they just start calling people names. They rarely seem to back up ideas with facts. When you present them with facts they denounce them somehow--but again, never based on any facts.

They seem to be a bunch of wanna be know it alls, that wear their asses as hats.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:09 AM
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15. Now you know why Republicans are booted from DU
well, except from the gun dungeon that is.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:16 AM
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16. ? Disrupters are removed - Debaters with facts seem to get in the 1000 +
club

:-)
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:40 AM
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22. Not in the gun dungeon
It's quite clear that many certifiable anti-Democrats post in there on a regular basis.
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:54 AM
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17. Hi folks! :-)
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 09:56 AM by mogster
Um.. this is my first post here, so sorry if I'm in breach of some netiquette or something.
First of all: thanks for this, guess some of you have posted your pic there too (I have):
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/gallery/1 /

Incredibly good to see all the nice faces and funny pictures :-)
It saved my day!

I've also followed some of the debate/material at DU during the campaign, as a reader only. But hey - it's time to mingle, or what?

Now, I've been debating rabid rightwingers for several years now, both in the US and in Norway, where I live. The level of groupthink among those people is very scary, and the episode described by threadstarter is everyday routine, not exceptional behaviour. You register. You dissent. You're banned.

I used to call myself a Conservative before this cultish, undemocratic movement turned the word into an insult. Liberal Conservative, I think the term was.
Ah, it all seems so long ago.

Before 911. Do we even remember anymore how it was to live in a world of progress?
A lot of people don't, they just listen to the spin they're served in a state of numbness, genuflecting to twisted power out of 'shock and awe' for the sheer size of their movement. And the apparent protection it provides against terrorism.
You got to hand it to Falwell: He knows how to pander to our human low-life instincts, switch off free thinking and turn simple people into radicalized morons without a clue.

People that are happy to just form a small group - on the internet or in RL - populate it with likeminded partisans, and sling rightwing tripe to each other. That's all there is to it. A Group.

Person A: Did you hear that Kerry <long and winding tripe filled with myths, half-truths or plain lies>, or what??
Person B: <jeer>
Person C: *snigger*
Person D: Yeah, they got him now <NRO quote>.
Person E: Yeah, him and Michael Manure <NRO quote>.
Person F: Yeh.
Person G: Yeh.
Person C: *snigger*
Person F: Yeh.
Person E: Yeah, him and Michael Manure.

Hanging out among the Christian Right-Right, wether it's in Norway or the US, is a trip to planet W.E.I.R.D where no one wants to hear the truth, not really. Not if it hurts.

It get's weirder.
Parallell to not wanting to hear the truth, they accept the truth as a factor in the debate - that what they forward as an argument may be a lie, but it's a GOOD lie. And if it happens to be the truth, all the better. Extra scorepoints.
The coherency of the debaters are often poor, you can easily use their own previous arguments against their (NRO's) last brainchild.

Not that it helps.
Me: But in your post <quote> you said the exact opposite?
Person A: *Nerner-nerner-NERNER! I doooon't listen!*
Person B: *posting decoy*
Person C: *Posting 'flak'*
Person D: *Spends the entire evening going through my posts, to find something not in accordance that I've posted, to get at me*
Person E: Your'e so hateful. Why do you hate us?

Never mind the TOPIC. Never mind DEBATE.
It's all a fight to win or lose for them, and the fervour of which they fight that fight, and the depths to which they are willing to lower themselves in the process, is shocking.

I am a person that likes to hear the truth. If it hurts, I don't stick my head in the sand like a coward but stare it straight in the face. Come hell or high water, I wanna KNOW!

But to a person that - in the same sentence - can accuse Kerry of wanting to implement Maoism in the US and of being a stinking rich capitalist, the facts are just in the way of a Good Day on the Board:
Hang out with partisans, get your predjudices confirmed and fill up the tripe-tank with the common accepted Truth of the Moment.

Ready for the next round. Day after day. If not disturbed by people like you and me, they can go on for ever, hammering into each other every new piece of slander and untruth from FOX, NRO, W.A.C.K.O and F.A.R.T TV until it sticks. They never break ranks by themselves.

I've dubbed their collected webfront 'The Wall of Distortion' because of it's incredible impact on the common sense of the Right.
You don't necessarily believe what you read in paper or watch on TV. But you will believe it if your friends tell you the same - repeatedly.
Add a minister that in a flaming speech tells you that GOD says it's true, and you got yourself a solid propaganda-machinery AND a servile political movement programmed to receive/participate/forward the product of it.

It's like something out of a Huxley novel, Orwell novel or Kafka novel, with two thirds of the Revelation thrown in for good measures.

To be served chilled, badly spelled in moronic argumentation topped by a misunderestimated no-gooder that has screwed and drunk himself through life, up to a point where he now can say: 'I'm stupid and I'm proud of it! You can be stupid too!'

How's that space shuttle program going? I'm in the market for a condo on the moon or something.
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:33 AM
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21. Welcome to DU mogster
:hi: Yeah, I'm just hanging around waiting for the first interstellar colonization effort myself.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:00 AM
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18. typical way fundies argue, discuss, etc. They can't as they don't
use reason.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:03 AM
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19. tell us the specific web site please
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:19 AM
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20. Many of those sites are definitely *-leaning, if not reich-leaning.
They're not worth the time if they're not going to play on a level field.
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