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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:17 PM
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AHHH! We're moving to New Zealand if * wins the election!
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 02:36 PM by breezygirl
Or Canada, I would probably prefer Canada because it's just a few hours drive where New Zealand is just a few HEMISPHERES away.

My dad told my grandpa this last night when they were talking politics. But then, this is coming from my dad, who doesn't even like to leave Minnesota.

Any way, Dumbya won't win, so I shouldn't have much to worry about anyway. :)

edit: Just can't spell anything roght today...
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:23 PM
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1. Don't you think that we'll need to leave before the 2004 coup?
Because afterwards there will be a swarms
of people clawing to get out.

(I'm hoping to go to Canada, thus the "we.")
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:26 PM
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3. It really makes you think how smart Americans are
I mean, can they honestly think that this stupid, STUPID man has anyone intrest's but his own at heart? How else could 70% of the American public think that Hussein had something to do with 9/11? Honsetly, Johnny Depp was probably right.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 07:29 PM
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23. Bush doesn't have a heart...
so what you said doesn't apply to him.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:26 PM
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2. NZ for us, too...
Call this :tinfoilhat: if you want to, but we (and several other Canadians we know) really believe that if Chimpy gets in in '04, Canada will be absorbed as part of PNAC's commitment to make Manifest Destiny a reality, (all for our own protection, of course :roll: ).

Canada's too f***ing close to DC for my likings at the moment. NZ is where we're going, absolutely.
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:28 PM
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6. Well, maybe I can learn to talk with an accent!
I've always wanted to do that!

How scary, though. :scared:
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leftist_rebel1569 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:27 PM
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4. awww....
can you at least take me with you? There's no way i'm getting out of here until i'm 18 if Shrub wins...

but, like you said, he prolly won't win...so I really don't have too much to worry about.
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:29 PM
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8. What the hell, sure!
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 02:31 PM by breezygirl
We can both get accents! :P

edit: hopefully we won't have to though.
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leftist_rebel1569 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:34 PM
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12. I don't think we would have to,
but I think it would be fun to do anyways...
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:33 PM
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11. Don't let a little thing like vote counts...
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 02:34 PM by CanuckAmok
...comfort you.

I mean, he didn't win last time, either, but there he is.



Or, how about this :tinfoilhat: scenario:

Massive "terrorist" attack within three weeks of the election. Maybe a major communications company is knocked out (or a power grid...hmmm...). The election is "suspended" because of either 'the public safety' or an inability to properly administer the polling process due to the disruption to the system.


Like I said, :tinfoilhat: . Or is it...?


edit=I love using :tinfoilhat:
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:27 PM
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5. Maybe someday Canada will get pre-emptively struck.
All these really smart intellectuals will flee to there, and then in about 20-30 years the US will be so far down the tubes that they'll say Canada has WMDs and will go "liberate" Canada to regain what was lost in the brain drain.
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:29 PM
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7. lol
:)
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:31 PM
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9. A serious question
What allows anyone considering relocation to think that you will simply be "permitted" to leave?
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:32 PM
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10. Whoa, now I'm freaked out
You really think it'd be like the Jews trying leave Germany?

*shiver* Yikes. :scared:
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:38 PM
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14. passport info is computerized, eh?
suddenly the system goes down - security reasons - you're not leaving to go anywhere ... to protect you ...

post 'the Scream' painting here

((take me with you, too))
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:39 PM
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15. Oh boy, we're all going
We're off to see new Zealand...
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 07:25 PM
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22. I'm QUITE serious.
Currently there's a little dust-up about Europeans who want to travel TO the U.S. (TOURIST DOLLARS, ANYONE?) being required to submit ID and CREDIT CHECKS to the U.S. gub'mint. It's NOT going over big. Instead of Florida, Cuba has become the destination. Most of this shit seems to be passing under the radar screen of the American populace.

What do you think these "no-fly" and "color-coded" lists are about? If you REALLY want OUT, don't wait too long. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. I'm not sure why that adage always applies to the funky stuff. :shrug:
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leftist_rebel1569 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:43 PM
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17. don't worry,
I'd figure out a way to get us out of the country, electronic passport or not...
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:47 PM
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19. Leftist_rebel, superhacker
I can see it now... lol. I still have my passport from mexico anyway...
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:36 PM
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13. Oh, I can see it...
Anyone who might be a dissident would probably be given a free one-way ticket to anywhere they wanted. PNAC gets to tilt the vote balance of their subjects (er, sorry, 'citizens') in their favour, and sends intellectual enemies away, to a country which will eventually be occupied by the US anyway...
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:03 PM
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20. They can't close the Candian and Mexican border forever.
They have no real control over it now. As long as you can move within the US freely you CAN get out of here if you want to. The big trick is getting back in later...

Another thing to contemplate is that they can't afford to keep those boders TOO tightly closed. There is a large amount of trade going back and forth. IF they shut the borders down that trade stops and industry suffers.

I don't see the chimp ever doing anything to hurt corporations.

Laura
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:42 PM
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16. Not New Zealand, sadly
The only way New Zealand will allow you to imigrate is if you marry a Kiwi. They're absolutely firm on this one.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:45 PM
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18. I thought NZ was points-based?
Like points for being under a certain age, points for education level, points for employability, points for the amount of capital you're bringing in, etc...

And, of course, refugee status...
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:50 PM
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21. Not true, unless it's changed in the last 5 or so years
My friend and his partner emigrated to NZ. There was a lot of paperwork, a lot of requirements--mainly so they'd know you'd be a productive member of society rather than a drain on it. You have to be below a certain age, but I forget what age, unless you're independently wealthy. He had to provice medical records, employment and education history, financial records (I think), etc.

With the money they had from selling their house here, they bought a place, converted it, and opened a bed and breakfast that is doing pretty well. They now have dual citizenship (US and Kiwi). They absolutely love it there. People are easy-going, and unlike in the US, nobody gives a rat's ass that they're gay.

FYI, NZ has a Parliament member who is trans-gendered. Bet you wouldn't see that in this country!
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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 07:54 PM
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24. Take me with yooooouuuuuu!!!!!
Naw, just kidding. I'm staying in the States for now to get my college education. And I really don't think * has a chance in hell of winning in 2004.
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