New, Improved Star Trek Enterprise on at 8 (ET)

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Star Trek, this is your (close to) last chance...

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1. George W. Bush's "The Expanse"?

I'm taping now and will watch later, but I come into the episode with much apprehension.

That season-ender was practically a campaign commercial for Bush-Cheney '04. Rah, rah, kill, kill, 9/11, terror, fear, etc.

If that's the line they keep following tonight, I'll be through with Enterprise -- and that's the first time I've been ready to take that step in all 36 or 37 years of Trek.

[AngryYoungMan]

2. Trek politics

I thought Cpt. Janeway was somewhat Clinton-esque, but then, I liked Voyager in general, unlike (apparently) most Trek fans.

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4. I changed my mind about Voyager

after it left the air.

While it was on, I always felt it never lived up to TNG, but then, none of the TNG films lived up to TNG imho. And then came Enterprise with Bakula...

Yeah, looking at the reruns, Voyager was a really good show - in many ways - I just couldn't see it at the time, in the shadow of TNG.

[Deja Q]

6. Quite

Voyager still had some real embarrassing clunkers (like "Flashback"), but there were quite a few good ones as well. remember liking season 7 because I always gave each season a chance.

The show still blew it as Berman has no frigging clue as to how to write characters who are different and whose personalities lead to conflicts. The Maquis and the Feds all too easily merged together. Try Babylon 5 or Blake's 7 (or even the original Trek) for examples of a diverse array of characters...

The show also decided that all aliens everywhere are "just like us". Just different foreheads, but the aliens were just the same too in motives and desires.

Oh well. But Bermantrek was better then than now.

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3. Totally agree

If this episode, or any future ones turn out to be some glofication of PNAC in space, or some utter crap like that, that will be it for me and ST - and I've been a fan since the original series. And it is September 10.

I'm already a little disappointed that the theme song is still there.

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8. Yipes, it's as bad as I feared

And I'm only through the first act. But I won't spoil it.

I'm trying, honestly, to look at this through a viewpoint that isn't clouded by political considerations. But, dammit, they're making this whole thing political.

[TrogL]

5. what's so improved about it

I wanted two episodes of the first season and a few minutes a few weeks ago and hated it all.

[Deja Q]

7. Well, I've seen enough (remember TNG season 3?)

Same bland farting-frog "music", same semi-predictable plots, same production style...

But, wait, T'Pol has a slinky new "futuristic" catsuit on that even William Ware Theiss would sigh at... Another catsuit, but this time has plastic rings on it and is in an illogically bright color? Seems like she's the Counselor Troi of "Enterprise"... Hopefully not in character as well as in costume, does the token Vulcan need to be any more useless? :eyes:

Season 3 of TNG had more engaging storylines (like season 2 had from time to time). Season 3 had a bold style that built upon and innovated from season 2. Season 3 had a new model of the Enterprise to film with. Season 3 had a larger fx budget. Season 3 even fleshed out characters a bit better than in the past. Season 3 felt FRESH.

Season 3 of TNG did that from the start.

I see no changes worthy in "Enterprise" of my time.

The Captain's Logs are so embarrassing that they're not worth repeating. "I guess they'll have to look elsewhere for additions to their (pause) 'work (pause) force'."

Indeed, much of the dialogue is inane if not puerile. "Or I'll destroy the Earth ship, with or without the council's support." :eyes:

I predict the Xindi will be another race show have emotions and feelings just like us and there will be a peaceful solution and the usual Bermination (ala "Berman's Abomination").

I predict "Enterprise" season 3 will be as banal and as stupid as the previous two, and of the eps of "Enterprise" that I have seen up to date, my prediction is not good. So far, what I've seen is MUCH less than inspiring, let alone entertaining.

I refuse to watch another episode unless Berman and co. quit. I'd rather watch the British show that Patrick Stewart nearly sued in 1991 because he thought it was a ripoff of his show. That show he nearly sued, BTW, is "Red Dwarf". It's nothing even remotely like ANY Trek incarnation. Stewart may be a good actor, but he is a obtuse jealous sort of guy, so paranoid he'll glance at another show and decide it's a ripoff, having seen virtually nothing of it... Red Dwarf was a SITCOM for goodness sake!!!

[AntiCoup2K4]

10. Red Dwarf?? A Trek ripoff??

What sort of a bloody Smeghead would think that?? :crazy:

[LuLu550]

9. there was Vulcan flesh for the boys....

I need some good sci-fi to escape into...Farscape gone...Bab-5 gone...
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