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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:46 PM
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Name the most progressive country in the world
I am looking for suggestions.

Is it the Netherlands? I don't think the UK is the MOST progressive. Any other suggestions?
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:51 PM
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1. Googling around
Krygystan claims to be the most progressive country in Central Asia while Chile claims to be the most progressive country in Latin America. Sweden is frequently cited as being the most progressive European country and I'd have to say Canada is the most progressive North American country.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:12 PM
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16. I"d say Costa Rica is about 10x more progressive
than Chile- all things considered
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dad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:51 PM
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2. .
I think it's btwn Norway and those socialist Swedes
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:54 PM
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3. Sweden?
Hmmm....gonna have to do some research.

What about Switzerland?
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:55 PM
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5. The Swiss I doubt it
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:57 PM
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6. Don't know about Switzerland
My German friend tells me that Germany is right up there with Sweden though they are having problems with increased pressure from globalization (or globaloney as Jim Hightower calls it).
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:55 PM
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4. Unfortunately...
... most of them seem to be in cold country... Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, Finland, Canada.

France might the most political--a lot of different voices heard there, but I wouldn't call it profoundly progressive.

Costa Rica is very democratic, but still not exactly progressive.

There are lots of in-betweens, such as Sweden, Ireland, New Zealand.

Opinions will vary. :P
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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:05 PM
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15. Depends on the topic in New Zealand
the government system itself is very progressive - 2 votes for every person ( a party vote and individual vote) to ensure multiple parties and equal representation.

social wellfare and state sponsored compensation are extremely progressive. There are virtually zero lawsuits here because all complaints are referred to the government which decides how much to allocate you for your pain/suffering/death etc. (this includes malpractice)

Which brings me to the health system which is extremely progressive. I talked to a bum last week who just had a triple bypass. Ever see that in the states?


But it is very regressive on certain issues as well. It's still tied up in a treaty it made with the native Maori people. It can't abandon the treaty, ironically, because to the progressive government provides appropriate numbers of Maori in parlaiment.

It is regressive on the issue of nuclear power (no nuclear policy nationwide) and on the issue of genetic modification. So that's New Zealand in a nutshell - Super progressive on some issues, Super regressive on others.


P.S. - they abandoned the penny a few years ago! How cool is that? Everything is rounded to the nearest 5 cents!
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:58 PM
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7. it's norway. full stop hands down
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:59 PM
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9. Norway?
Okey dokey. What do they speak there? Norwich? (Kidding.)

Googling Norway...if only to dream....
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:02 PM
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14. they speak Norwegian but
Edited on Thu Sep-09-04 10:06 PM by mlle_chatte
in the south, oslo and environs, most of the people speak english. and throughout the country, young people pretty much have a handle on english as well...

on edit: aftenposten the newspaper online in english look to the left for links to webcams...

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:59 PM
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8. Iceland?
just a guess...
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:00 PM
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12. Wait, is that the one that's green?
Or is that the one....nevermind, that's the green one!

(I always have to think about that!)
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lunarboy13 Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:00 PM
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10. It's a toss-up between...
The Netherlands and Belgium. They are the only two Countries I know of that recognize gay marriage. And to me, that's pretty progressive...
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:00 PM
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11. Canada
no question
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:31 PM
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18. You'd put us over some Northern European Nations?
How come?
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:41 PM
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19. I was wondering that myself
I mean I love you guys, but Canada over Norway? As the most progressive? If I understand correctly, you guys have your share of "rednecks," especially in Alberta.

LOL!
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:02 PM
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13. Cuba
But then, I've actually been there many times. :o
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:30 PM
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17. There are actually apartments in this cool looking building in
central Oslo for sale, too bad I can't read a damn thing on the page:

http://epi.no/content/view/full/2724#

I was able to get that far in their search engine because Norwegian apparently has a lot of English cognates--I could tell what they were because they were quite similar to English. But at the point of that link I gave above I can't tell how much it is and I wouldn't know the equivalent in dollars, anyway.

Ah well.
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:25 PM
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23. 6.8 NOK to 1 USD
or 1 NOK to .15 USD

currency exchange site:
http://www.xe.com/ucc/
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daligirrl Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 10:48 PM
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20. My ex-pat friend who lives in Stockholm. . .
Calls all the time and says, "I was just sitting here smoking a joint and fondling a prostitute and thought of you." Gotta love Sweden.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:03 PM
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21. Didn't "60 Minutes" have a segment on New Zealand once...
and how far ahead they are when it comes to being progressive??
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:12 PM
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22. Yeah but they've got some TIGHT
immigration guidelines right now. VERY hard to move there.

Guess you could go there "on vacation" and um, forget to go home.
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