Former "Facts of Life" Star says "Hot Saucing" your child is Biblical

[A HERETIC I AM]

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The latest corporal punishment fad in the fundamentalist world, "hot saucing" consists of putting a drop of a fiery condiment on a child's tongue. According to an Aug. 10 article in The Washington Post by freelance writer Alison Buckholtz, some conservative Christian parents are using the controversial discipline technique on children as young as 2.



In case any fundamentalist parents are in doubt, "hot saucing" proponents are quick to point out that the Bible approves of the unorthodox punishment. A leading proponent of "hot saucing," former child actress Lisa Whelchel, explains it all in her book Creative Correction: Extraordinary Ideas for Everyday Discipline, published by Focus on the Family and the evangelical publisher Tyndale House

Whelchel's book provides passages from the Bible that she says back up all of her discipline techniques. For example, she also recommends pinching a child's tongue with a clothespin for swearing, saying it is supported by a passage in the Book of Proverbs that reads, "The mouth of the righteous brings forth wisdom, but a perverse tongue will be cut out."

"Hot saucing" has plenty of critics. Carleton Kendrick, a family therapist contacted by The Post, noted that hot sauces come in different strengths. The most fiery brands, he noted, can burn a child's esophagus and cause the tongue to swell, making a youngster choke.




http://blog.au.org/2004/08/suffer_the_litt.html

Oh, those wacky fundy Christians!
What morons.
And these are the types of folks that want to continue to RUN this country

on edit to add this link also;
http://blog.au.org/2004/08/kansas_devolves.html

Seems the fundys in Kansas are at it again!

[drhilarius]

1. And we wonder why...

films as sadistic as "The Passion of the Christ" appeal to these people. They're sadistic. They had suffering foisted on them, and now they feel the need to make all of us suffer as they have.

[LDS Jock]

2. OMG ..... I'M HORRIFIED

How can people do stuff like that to their own child? And to put out a book on parenting to show biblical support for such crap is even more outragous.

[UdoKier]

4. Why is that puppy's hindsection split in half?

Bizarre photo...

[4morewars]

5. LOL

I think it's TWO puppies !
:bounce:

[LDS Jock]

8. its two very ADORABLE puppies

and I'd kick the ass of anyone trying to "hotsauce" them.

[Occulus]

51. never mind

[UdoKier]

3. You take the good you take the bad you take'em both and there you have...

A FUCKED UP LIFE!

Who knew Lisa Whelchel was every bit as much of a bitch as Blair?

How many years of therapy will it take to fix her kids?

Or will she just do an Andrea Yates on them?

[4morewars]

6. What a bunch of simps !

When will they start stoning people? Maybe poke out a few eyes or teeth? Because the invisible man that lives in the clouds wrote it in a book? Puhleeeze !!!!!
Don't even get me started on the creationist bullshit !!!

[LDS Jock]

9. I was just thinking about that.

There is biblical support for stoning those breaking the Sabbath. Does she do that to her kids for playing on the Sabbath? There are a whole host of other commandments in the OT, much more obvious than hotsaucing or pinching tongues. OK, who wants to hold her while I do this stuff to her?

[UdoKier]

7. From her sick-ass website...

http://www.creativecorrection.com

:puke:

Her victims' er - kids' names are "Tucker" :puke: , "Haven" :puke::puke:, "Clancy" (?)

Here she is with her "ex-gay" (?) husband...



Steve

I met Steve in a prayer group at my church fifteen years ago. We became very good friends and were married July 9th, 1988. (There is much more to the story and not enough room to tell it. If you are really interested, I write all about it in my new book "The Facts of Life and Other Lessons My Father Taught Me.")

Steve is brilliant, good-looking and he loves to serve... an awesome combination. He holds down two jobs, which enables me to be a stay-at-home mom. Steve works as the Information Technologies Director at The Church on the Way plus, he is the Convention Producer and Meeting Planner for the Foursquare denomination. He's also one manly motorhome driver! Grunt. Grunt.

(snip)

Homeschooling has been an important part of our family for years. Other than one year in a traditional school setting, we have homeschooled from the beginning, and it is our desire to homeschool through to the end. 

Many of you have asked for information regarding homeschooling. I am writing a book entitled, "I'm Thinking About Homeschooling"  but it won't be published until 2003. Until then, I have made a list of some of my favorite things on the "My Favorites" page including homeschool sites, resources and products. I hope you find it helpful. Just go to "My Story" and then click "My Favorites".


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Yes, homeshooling IS a good way to keep Tucker, Haven and Fancy away from those nigras who don't know how to act as white as "Tootie"

You go, Blair!

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[Misunderestimator]

14. Sounds like you have a fat-phobia... and in that pic, she doesn't even

look fat. What's the deal?

[prolesunited]

21. Plenty to critcize her about

but weight is the *least* of those issues. Why is it that so often when people want to criticize women, they attack their weight or looks?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

34. Dude, I'd say welcome to DU, but that was totally uncalled for.

[SoCalDem]

19. read her Christian Cruise Diary sometime.. It's a HOOT !!!

:)

[President Jesus]

10. From her FAQ...

How was it working with George Clooney?

Working with George was very fun. He was like a big brother to all of us and it was nice to have a guy around for a change. Between you and me, if I had known that he was going to turn out so well I might have worn makeup more often to rehearsals.

:puke:

We're talkin' real life stepford wife action here.

[Torgo Johnson]

40. Oh thats hillarious...

I can see it now,left-wing Hollywood hunk marries right-wing loony who harms her children because the bible says it's okay. That would be a long-lasting marriage...



not.

[hinachan]

11. When Lisa Whelchel was so fat on "Facts"....

They should've "hot sauced" her to make her lose weight. Boy, she was sure coddled when she was getting so porky that the tabloids were calling the sitcom "Fats Of Life", and nobody inflicted corporal punishment on her. And lemme tell ya, gaining weight is a lot more serious than swearing...nobody every had a stroke or heart attack from saying the F word, y'know.

[Misunderestimator]

13. Well, that's going over the edge ...

What does her weight have to do with the price of tea in China? :shrug:

[hinachan]

15. Crack a medical book

OK, lemme explain it in terms simple enough for Dubya to understand:

Lisa Whelchel thinks hot sauce and clothespins are proper punishment for doing something relatively harmless, i.e., swearing.

Lisa Whelchel is obviously guilty of doing something much worse: letting her weight get out of control, causing insurance rates to go up for those of us who take care of ourselves, not to mention causing more of a burden for already overworked medical personnel (because the day will no doubt come when she eats her way to a stroke, heart attack, or any of the other weight-related maladies, such as diabetes).

She thinks it's bad to swear, yet OK to do all this...therefore she's a hypocrite, and should either have her "punishments" done to her...or else maybe she should quit being such a self-indulgent sadist, and practice what she preaches (i.e., Christian values don't include selfishness).

[Misunderestimator]

16. Lisa Welchel apparently has some huge problems...

judging however from the pic in which you surmised that she is "FAT"... you are way over-blowing it as a problem. Even if she WAS overweight, your insults are way off base and degrade every person here and anywhere who struggles with a weight problem.

Now THAT is simple enough for Dubya to understand, though I'm sure you won't get it. :shrug:

[Misunderestimator]

17. Oh yeah... and a hearty Welcome to DU!

:eyes:

[wickerwoman]

20. Oh please,

She's *maybe* 10 pounds overweight in that picture. Certainly she's far from obese and therefore unlikely to suffer the health problems you so melodramatically outline.

And my parents stuck dish soap in my mouth when I swore. At least hot sauce is a food. Does that make them self-indulgent sadists? Oh, and they really *are* obese, let's lynch 'em.

:eyes:

[Mnemosyne]

22. Please, such petty issues are unnecessary and ignorant,

Do some research on the toxins in our environment and you will learn where most of the weight problems in this country are coming from...ie, mercury, sugar substitutes etc.

Please get educated scientifically before you give out such arrogant, superior judgments about someone's weight. check out sites like Cleveland Clinic, Johns Hopkins, Mayo clinic, allrefer.com, about.com, thyroid toxins, mercury toxins, ect.... Then come back and try to make such uncaring, ignorant statements.

Oh, welcome to du, hope you can learn some compassion and empathy from some of the more caring educated people here.

Not trying to be a *itch, but am fed up with the ignorance that people get from Ladies Home Journal, The View, the main stream media etc.

It's all smoke and mirror's to distract from what poisons our government has allowed their cooperate buddies to inflict on us. Wake up.

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[LynneSin]

33. I have to agree with Misunderestimator....

...you are very way off base to criticize someone for their weight? What next, you going to judge us DUers who are battling weight - we'll you better not because you'll have me to deal with.

You need to get over your close-minded attitude about weight and what is the 'ideal weight for someone'. Judging from the pictures on her website - Lisa Whelchel looks pretty healthy and fit. Why you are being judgemental on this issue (when there are so many better ones to choose from) is beyond me

:grr:

[LDS Jock]

26. I dont agree with her parenting tips, but

this stuff about her weight is out of line. If anything, I think she looks better now than on tv years ago.

[Ruffhowse]

18. Didn't that kid on "Growing Pains", Kirk Cameron or something like that,

go all fundy too? He should get together with this wacko.

[pstokely]

47. he's in the "Left Behind" movie

nt

[Lavender Brown]

61. There are a lot these people

Washed-up '80s stars trying to re-live their Reagan-era glory days.

[terrya]

23. Lisa is just loony as hell, isn't she?

What a maroon...

[BiggJawn]

25. They had hot sauce in "Biblical times"?

Or clothes pins?

Fundies are the KWAAAAAAAZIEST people!

[KurtNYC]

50. And for "Christians" they sure do love the Old testament

What up with that? I thought everything that Christ said which contradicts the old testament should replace the OT. Sounds like they just want to hang their child abuse on God.

And one more time, home schooling is so often a cover for child abusers and should be a red flag in every community.

[baldguy]

27. Sounds like torture to me.

[Deja Q]

28. Ah. Lisa Welcher. She couldn't act her way out of a cardboard box....

Yup. When you fail in your career, becoming a loudmouthed fundie is an easy way to get $$$$$$$$.

[Torgo Johnson]

42. She's with pretty exclusive company

Kirk Cameron
Willie Aames
Stephen Baldwin (the right-wingers get a Baldwin and it is the least talented one)
Chuck Norris
Tiffany Brissette ( that annoying robot from Small Wonder)


Cream of the acting crop right there, I tell you.


Oops, I left out the best one of all...

MC Hammer (Stop... it's fundie time)

[Deja Q]

58. A further breakdown of said people:

Kirk Cameron: Played a snotty selfish oversexed brat on that dumb show 'Growing Pains' and didn't get anywhere else afterward. I can't imagine why... </sarcasm>

Willie Ames: Whereever Scott Baio managed to find a pitiful-at-best role, he wasn't too far behind. A pair of bad actors to say the least, when Scott disappeared, he left to go draw half-naked urine-yellow colored superheroes peddling Bibles because he couldn't find anything else to do. From adolescent slop like "Zapped!" to the incredibly dorky "Charles in Charge", one could only wince in horror at these two who always gave the impression they were a couple. Well, the Bible thing blows that theory out of the water, doesn't it?

Stephen Baldwin: Who?

Chuck Norris: He can appear in two-bit karate movies and peddle a cheap plastic overpriced exerciser, be he ain't no legend...

Tiffany Brissette: Lovely show Small Wonder... they chose her well, she is a robot... I feel more sorry for her than anyone else.

MC Hammer: His music (if you can call it that) is something a 3 year old could do and whose pompous self-aggrandizing lyrics couldn't even be matched by a 2 year old (and all 2 year olds can say "Me me me! I am so great! Me me me!")! He also ripped off Rick James and (the thing formerly known as) Prince for his repetitive mule diarrhea he tried to pass off as 'music' (that even a $25 Casio synth keyboard found at Sears could do better when you press that little button that adds the repetitive tinkle-tune music in the background). Waaaaaaaaaay overrated and hardly talented by any means.

[theboss]

29. I think I would prefer just getting smacked in the face

Happened three times when I was growing up. Deserved it each time. Can still eat buffalo wings without crying.

[catmandu57]

30. Iv'e been on the receiving end of this shit

and I can tell you it sucks big green ones. It wasn't a fundie doing the saucing, just a mean, sadistic step father, who soon graduated to more interesting forms of "punishment".

[MuseRider]

59. Yes, me too.

It horrifies me that I can read these things and think, well THAT is not so bad. I raised two very cool, very good young men and I never once needed to resort to anything like this.

[radwriter0555]

31. what kind of parent raises a child that swears? there is something really

wrong with these fundy freaks who raise their children to be so nasty, just so they can torture them....

[SoCalDem]

32. Where were the child's HANDS during these encounters???

A child would not just stand there, hands at their sides, while their tongue was being clothespinned or burned.. Did she TIE THE CHILD'S HANDS??? Or did she HOLD them tightly, as the child cried and wriggled??

This is torture, folks..It's abuse.. Take it from someone who knows :cry:

[Bombero1956]

37. I recall

reading an article from TV Guide while Facts of Life was still on that Lisa was a born again christian (no thanks, I got it right the first time) so she's been a fundie for a long time. Still it amazes me the varied and sundry ways they come up to punish people who displease them.
"Hey Tucker and Clancy come here and let me hot sauce your tongues because you swore, I'm doing this because I love you and God does too".

[catmandu57]

39. Ours were clasped behind our back

in a parade rest formation, feet set at 45, if we moved to much then the strap would come out. The worst part about this is he would do everyone to get the right one. In a house full of kids there's always not me living there also, not me never got the sauce.

[Philostopher]

45. She clamps them between

her lily-white, pure and Christlike knees of justice.

Or maybe she wrestles them to the floor and sits on them. With her lily-white, pure and Christlike ass of justice.

I don't know -- my folks used to sting us with a cherry switch. Handy -- even if we ran, they could still get us. They were fairly incompetent martinets, my brother and I both still swear like sailors and question most forms of authority, so I guess we survived it.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

35. The things these fundy idiots forget:

They forget that once Christ died, we stopped following the Old Testament rules. If we didn't we'd still be sacrificing animals for our sins, and God would still be a horribly sadistic, jealous, warring god. THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR OWN FUCKING IDIOLOGY!! ONce Christ died he mellowed out and started actually loving his children and enjoying us. UGH. I wish they knew their own Lord. It makes me sick the things people do in his name. This shit is sadistic. And when they get tried for murdering one of their children by "hot saucing," they'll start praying and think they're just being percecuted.
Duckie

[LynneSin]

36. Geez, I hate to see what she does when they "steal a cookie" from the...

...the cookie jar. I'm assuming they still have all their hands & fingers

:cry:

No where in that verse in proverbs does it say to use Hot Sause or Clothspins

"The mouth of the righteous brings forth wisdom, but a perverse tongue will be cut out."


And no where does it say this is a proper form of punishment for anyone.

:cry:

[kimchi]

38. It says "cut out the tongue", girlfriend.

I thought you were taught to read, but obviously not to comprehend. It doesn't do to mess with the literal word of God? You think you know better than the Bible? Cut out the tongue!

I mean, you do follow the Bible literally, right?

[dolo amber]

41. "Hot saucing"...

that just sounds filthy...:D

[Magrittes Pipe]

49. You just sound filthy.

HA!

Best. Comeback. Ever.

[MallRat]

43. I honestly don't know what to say.

[yellowcanine]

44. OMG, Maybe we do need compulsory sterilization. People who hate kids

should just not have them.

[redqueen]

46. WTF is it with fundies and corporal punishment?

Sick sadistic ignorant people... they don't deserve children.

[yellowcanine]

48. It's all about power and control.

.

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

52. wowwww

i'm scared :scared:

[arwalden]

53. She's A Loon

[SoCalDem]

54. Another thing about this realllllly bothers me...

Teachers are often the unbiased observer who "catches" familial abuse, and reports it..

Kids of fundies who are homeschooled, have NO ONE in their corner if Mom &/or Dad are "punishing" them...

Who is their advocate??

[GiovanniC]

55. My Mom Used to "Hot Sauce" Me

For swearing or talking back or lying.

This was when I was fairly young... say, from maybe 4 or 5 up to about 11 or 12ish.

I'm 24 now.

[SoCalDem]

56. I just used soap a few times.. I would NEVER have thought of

using hot sauce.. that's just downright cruel...Soap worked just fine and it was kind of cute to see bubbles exiting my little "cursing guy's nostrils".:evilgrin:

[GiovanniC]

57. Having Had the Unique Experience of BOTH

I'd prefer the hot sauce, quite frankly. I hated the soap so much worse.

[skygazer]

60. Slavery is biblical too.

Is she into that? How about multiple wives or stoning?