MicroSlop Lists XP SP 2 Problems........when will WINTEL People learn.

[ranosgol]

You WINTEL users keep bugging out.

OS X.....enough said.

[tridim]

1. When will Apple people learn?

All software has bugs... even OSX.

*duck* :P

[wuushew]

2. I have no problems with windows 2000

Macs are great if you want to drop 4-5 grand on a new G5. Which I don't

[stepnw1f]

5. Or drop about the same amount

on PC parts that break down more often than not.

[wuushew]

8. Hum..which parts would those be?

My CPU, memory, hard drives and peripheral cards have all lasted four years. I have lost a couple of CD-ROMS and a floppy but those are cheap.

[stepnw1f]

41. Sorry... Had To Throw That One AT The 4-5k Statement

Myth for myth... yikes!

[Protected]

13. What are you talking about?

I've had a few cheap sound and ethernet cards die after a few years of use, but almost anything I've spent more than $35 on seems to last until I decide to replace it (hard drives excluded.)

[minkyboodle]

19. that hasn't been my experience at all

personally I love being able to put together, tweak, enhance and upgrade a system for well under a grand that wipes the floor with anything apple has available at that price point. to each his own.

[TryingToWarnYou]

26. Hogwash.

I do LAN Administration, web development, PC support and much more for a living and your statement is completely false.

[no name no slogan]

31. The only difference between Macs and PCs these days is the CPU

They BOTH use almost identical architectures, and have since the mid-90s. The only real difference between the machines these days is that Macs use PowerPC processors, while Wintel boxen still use chips based on Intel's x86 instruction set.

Hell, even OS X was built on top of FreeBSD, which is an x86 port of Berkeley's BSD Lite 4.4 OS (which was originally built by Bill Joy of Sun Microsystems and a group of volunteers at UC Berkeley in the 1970s & 1980s, when they needed an open-source Unix-like OS.

Everything else is just a matter of installing the right drivers.

[GoneOffShore]

6. Depends on your needs

You can get a new eMac for under a grand, or an iBook for under two.
My Powerbook, with the SuperDrive, cost me about $1800 and is the best piece of technology I own.

[Atman]

12. LOL! 4-5 GRAND!?

You'd have to be lookin' for a top of the line computer tricked out for space exploration to spend that much on a Mac these days. Get real.

[wuushew]

14. My friend just bought a top of the line Mac for audio work

I really doubt Pro-tools works that much better on a Mac that costs twice as much as an equivalent P4.

[wtmusic]

22. Depends on what your time is worth

Add up crash time on both systems. I'm saving money on a Mac.

[TryingToWarnYou]

28. Crash times? LOL! Another myth from the Mac horde....

PCs "crash" because of the endless variables of system configuration, user influence, other software etc. I do network administration on a Windows domain that involves public safety/life safety requirements. We do not have "crashes", but then again, we have competent administrators.

[wtmusic]

37. Kinda doesn't matter why they crash, now does it?

Mac is a more stable platform, period. You have high-paid people to fix Windows bugs, more power to ya. Most people don't.

[emulatorloo]

38. Um, your pricing is waaaaaaaaaaaay off - hyperbole doesnt win arguments

and the pricing is comparable to similarly equiped wintel machines from major manufacturers.

[ranosgol]

3. I agree All OS's have bugs and have security issues.

Some are better than others Windows is the Wal-Mart of OS's.

Yes its huge yes it makes alot of money but it doesnt make it the best.

:)

[drdigi420]

4. it doesnt make it as bad as OSX either

[minkyboodle]

7. when will you apple people learn??

I don't care how much you love your OS or comp. Apples are good for some and not for others. For my needs PC wipes the floor with Apple (inexpensive upgrades, price, software that interests me, etc etc). Its not the end of the world either way, and certainly not worth posting a thread on... nuff said.
please Mac fans don't flame me I'm not trashing macs I'm trashing fanboys on both sides of the aisle

[GoneOffShore]

10. As Julia would say,

'Chacun a son gout'.
Je prefere l'OSX, pour moi, merci.

[minkyboodle]

18. more power to you

I love the computer market as it is right now with everyone able to choose what suits their needs and desires.... What a time to be alive
:silly:
RIP Julia Child

[Robin Hood]

9. If OSX was as popular as Microsoft.

Then it would be OSX who would be exploited for it's vulnerabilities. But since Apple decided to be totalitarian in it's competetive practices, It has pretty well screwed its self out of competition.

I like having choices, unfortunately, Apple offers few. Apple owners are like religious freaks. If they really felt comfortable with their OS then they wouldn't need to shove it down everyone's throat.

[frylock]

33. it's like claiming that a ferrari modena is more secure..

than a Jeep Cherokee because it's not at the top of the most stolen list. If more people drove Ferraris, more would be stolen. If Mac people actually had their wish, and more people used them, you would see the security vulnerabilities.

For the record, my (main) XP box is up 24/7. Never had a virus, no bluescreens.

[emulatorloo]

39. "totalitarian in it's competitive practices?" LOL - study Microsoft and

get back to us.

Seriously, follow this link and read Avi Tevanian's testimony before the DOJ
re what MS did to third party developers who don't follow MS whims.

See particurarily "Original Equipment Manufacturers and Independent Software Vendors Fear Reprisal from Microsoft if their Business Conduct does not Conform to Microsoft's Wishes"

"Microsoft has Designed its Multimedia Product to Exclude Competitors
and Extend its Monopoly Power"

"The Technical Problems and Misleading Error Messages Introduced by Microsoft Impair Quicktime's Performance and Impede Apple's Ability to Compete "

http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f2000/2010.htm

Here are the bullet points from all of his testimony:

Summary of Testimony
Background
Microsoft has Monopoly Power in the Market for Desktop Operating Systems
The Economic Relationship between Application Programs and
Operating Systems
Barriers to Competition in the Operating System Market:
Apple's Experience with the Rhapsody Operating System
Maintaining and Expanding a Monopoly Over the Operating Systems
through Control of Application Programs
Browsers and the Mac OS Operating System
Microsoft Used the Threat of Stopping its Support for a Critical
Application to Pressure Apple to Agree to Give a Significant Advantage
Internet Explorer
Microsoft's Attempts to Control Multimedia Platforms: An Overview
Apple's Quicktime Multimedia Software
A Technology Overview of QuicktimeMicrosoft has Designed its Multimedia Product to Exclude Competitors
and Extend its Monopoly PowerMicrosoft has Used its Monopoly Power and Anticompetitive Tactics
to Try to Defeat Quicktime
Microsoft Repeatedly Pressured Apple to Give Up Quicktime and
Cede the Multimedia Playback Market to Microsoft
to Thwart Quicktime, Microsoft Employed Punitive and Exclusionary
Actions
The Technical Problems and Misleading Error Messages Introduced by
Microsoft Impair Quicktime's Performance and Impede Apple's Ability
to Compete
Original Equipment Manufacturers and Independent Software Vendors
Fear Reprisal from Microsoft if their Business Conduct does not
Conform to Microsoft's Wishes
Conclusion of Testimony


P.S. I use both platforms, like win ok, but mac os makes life a lot easier.
I want to tell you that in my experience, most mac users are live and let live.

[Protected]

11. I'll use Windows, you use your Mac.

Ok? Windows XP is a very stable operating system for home users and those that bash it obviously don't use it or are still hung up on the instability of Windows 3.x/95/98/ME.

[ranosgol]

15. I actually use both :P

I just prefer Mac....sorry i started a war.

I agree if OS X was 95 + % of the market it would be exploited more.

I have used Windows 3.11, 95, 98, 98SE

Yes NT 4.0, 2000 and XP are much better than the DOS days.

Thats part of Mac's charm is that is small.

NO fun driving around in the same generic car.

[kohodog]

16. We have a 50/50 mac/PC ratio at work (printer)

about 40 of each. Admin is on PC, production on Macs. Macs are not without problems, but the virus ratio was 100 to 0 (none on the macs, zillions on PC's. Scanning has helped, but some still sneak through. At home it's mac all the way if for nothing other than to avoid virises.

[ranosgol]

21. No platform is problem free.

Mac if it was more popular woudl have it share of viruses.

Yes ... Mac's are more expensive their is no denying it.

I know that going in.

Yes WINTEL can do stuff better than Mac's and vice versa.

We can all have are pick.

Mac
Windows
Linux
Unix

[minkyboodle]

20. LOL

you knew what was coming with that post ranosgol :) Its the oldest flame fest online I think. Mac and PC Dems Unite :pals:

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

17. Can I mention Linux here?

Oh, ok. I'll just shut up then...;-)

[Robin Hood]

23. NO!!!

[htuttle]

24. At my workplace, Linux is where old computers go to die

When I upgrade a machine at work to new hardware, I re-use the old hardware for something else. For example, the old mail server G3 goes into the employee's lounge, etc...

When something gets too old to run anything else satisfactorily, I put Linux on it, and it goes back to work doing some small portion of our network services, like running a DHCP server or hosting the CVS repository, etc... And on it goes until all the blue smoke finally escapes and it stops working.

[Must_B_Free]

29. Exactly

When all the play is over and you just want to retire the thing to some useful work for you, Linux is it.

[no name no slogan]

32. I like Linux, but FreeBSD is DA BOMB!!!!!

FreeBSD has everything Linux has, but has a longer history, a more stable developer community, and is damn near IMPOSSIBLE to lock up.

I like to play with Linux, but when it comes to getting work done, I'll take FreeBSD.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

25. Someone wanna move this to the Lounge?

Or the trash bin?
Sheesh!
:eyes:

[Robin Hood]

27. lol...

Control/Alt/Delete this thread.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

30. Are you kidding?

I'm using Windows. Control/Alt/Delete doesn't work all the time.

[Bat Boy]

34. Microsoft's slogan for its next OS release...

Hey! We fixed it again!

[DS1]

40. Apple's slogan for its next OS release

Hey, have a new calendar and some fixes - that'll be 90 dollars please.

[jpgray]

35. Has anyone seen the mouse for my Amiga?

:D

[miss_kitty]

36. hey! if you don't reformat every few months or so-

you lose the skill