I CANNOT stand boys my age!!!! Sexist ASSHOLES!

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

As some of you may know, I'm 14 years old and I just went on a backpacking trip to Philmont SCOUT (keep in mind this is Boy Scouts) Ranch, New Mexico for two weeks. Now, can anyone explain why it's fun to google over some girls butt and try to get her to "go out" with you especially if you've never even met her and from the way she talks/acts she probably has the personality of a twig? And as far as that goes, since when was it fun to compare how "hot" your girlfriend is with other people? Why the hell would you save a picture of your girlfriend so you could look at her boobs before you go to sleep?

And now that I'm done with that, since when were gay and retarded adjectives?

Excuse me, but women are not used for sex only and rock walls are not homosexual! why the hell are these kids so ignorant!?

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[OSheaman]

4. Classic

Thumbs up.

[UpsideDownFlag]

6. ah, the only line i remember from Rush Limbaugh's book...

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[DrWeird]

2. As a former teenage boy...

please accept our apologies on behalf of all of us.

We're not right in the head.

[bluestateguy]

3. Girls mature faster than boys

That's why so many girls your age date boys who are 16 or 17.

[UpsideDownFlag]

5. hoo boy. well, as a former 14 year old boy, here's the deal.

i sure hope i dont sound patronizing, but basically, i recall feeling uneasy and unsure of myself around girls at that age, and acting the way that i saw people in movies or music act (as in flirty, ogling, etc.). besides, most of them dont know what to do with their raging hormones. if i'd had a g/f when i was fourteen, i sure woulda liked a pic of her boobs to have with me...but i digress. basically, an unfortunately large percent of boys that age are just immature- deal with them maturely, and they wont know how to respond and will probably leave you alone.

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

11. I just never can understand it.

maybe I'll give the occasional "she's hot" response, but I think my hormones must be stupid or something (or smart, take your pick).

[JohnKleeb]

youre better than I was at that age Paul

I was a jerk when I was 14, I still am very immature at heart. Though Ive grown to accept gays over time though, and not be a lusthound though I admit I still do it a lot.

[iconoclastic cat]

Don't be in a hurry.

Just enjoy life. You'll meet someone who drives you crazy sooner or later. And then you'll wish you were a few quarts low on the testosterone!

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

45. Well, I don't try....

but I really don't understand it.... seriously

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

7. A lot of guys that age compare notes.

Guess what? As one gets older one finds more woman do the same thing. Maybe you're an exception but it's interesting to hear women talk when they think no men are around. They can be every bit as rude and objectifying as men can.

[Pale Blue Dot]

8. Guys are jerks, LMFOC.

This is coming from a guy. My best advice? Look for the quiet, shy kid, who stares at you like he will completely fall apart if you leave his sight. He is what we call a "hopeless romantic", and he is different. Obviously, it wouldn't hurt to wait a few years, too.

Good luck! :-)

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

14. See, the funny thing is that you mistaked me for a girl. I'm a guy

:)

[Pale Blue Dot]

20. Ah, crap.

Well, in that case, I am actually a Cubmaster (my son is a Cub Scout), and I have to admit, Scouting does not exactly encourage liberal thinking, or treating women as equals.

Maybe YOU are the hopeless romantic? :-)

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

35. Personality..... Personality

It's all that matters. Sorry, you aren't going to find the hopeless romantic here, thank you very much! well, unless you introduce me to a girl was a GREAT personality. Looks just don't matter.

[Pale Blue Dot]

37. Why are "personality" and "hopeless romantic" mutually exclusive?

nt

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

43. Because you can't look at a girl and know her personality

unless I have the definition "hopless romantic" wrong then I don't see how that works.

[Pale Blue Dot]

46. I think that you have the definition of "hopeless romantic" wrong.

A hopeless romantic believes in love above all else. He doesn't necessarily believe in love at first sight. However, once he gives his heart to a woman, he treats her with total respect and undying loyalty. A hopeless romantic would not show indecent pictures of his girlfriend, because that would be disrespectful. A hopeless romantic WOULD stare at his love for hours, because he/she is everything to him.

Being a hopeless romantic means that you give in totally to the emotion of love, no matter the consequences.

Was this too heavy for a 14-year-old? :-)

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

47. Thanks for the definition!

now I have a new thing to call myself!

[Pale Blue Dot]

49. Congrats!

Welcome to a lifetime of heartbreak! :evilgrin:

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

52. well, whatever.

I can spend my time on here, not on porn sites! It's a good tradeoff, no?

[iconoclastic cat]

24. Some readers, confronted with a poster who shows sensitivity to gender

relations, sometimes assume that poster to be female. It's just a gender stereotype. Don't sweat it.

[Pale Blue Dot]

26. Raises hand, embarassed.

Especially since I am one of those "sensitive" guys. :spank:

[JohnKleeb]

29. ahh man I pity y'all

Ive gotten mistaken for a girl before in real life even, and I am not even that feminite looking for christ sakes, :shrug:.

[UpsideDownFlag]

48. remember being 12, and answering the phone?

"hello, tricia?"

"no...this is her son..."

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

50. Yeah, that rings a bell.

Now, it's "uhhhh...... I think I have the wrong number."

[UpsideDownFlag]

51. and then a week later, people think you are your dad.

*sigh*

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

53. Surprisingly, that's only happened once.

the "wrong number" thing has been going on for ages though. :shrug:

[UpsideDownFlag]

54. by the time i was 15, i had grown enough to pass for my current age.

so 12-14 was a bad memory

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

55. 11-14 is sucking for me

but election day is my birthday! maybe Kerry's election will make things better

[UpsideDownFlag]

60. my advice

and im serious, not to sound condescending...start working out regularly, both cardio and weights. but the time you hit like 16-18, you will be ripped.

it worked for me. i was a skinny, hairless little guy a while ago.

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

63. I do work out, thanks though.

I'm not going to let myself get fat. I love being in shape!

[UpsideDownFlag]

67. good. trust me that it pays off as you grow.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

Heh, that would be me at 14.

And, ça va sans dire, I scored zilch -- all they wanted was the ogres with too much body hair, a receded forehead, biceps, and a motorbike.

But that's okay -- it's us who form the happy families thereafter.

[burrowowl]

9. I commend you

as a thinking, intelligent gentleman.

[Placebo]

10. MAN, those boys are GAY!

Sorry, I just had to. :P

[UpsideDownFlag]

13. wait a minute, you're a guy?

i totally just responded to your post thinking you were a girl a second ago. shit.

in that case, you should be able to figure it out yourself.

[name not needed]

15. You sound like my 9th grade english teacher

That's a good thing. I remember last May when he asked all of us to stop saying "gay", after one of us wrote gay 32 times on the chalkboard. I went out of my way to piss him off. That was fucking hilarious. That guy hated me by the end of the year. Good times...

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

16. For those of you who didn't catch this, I'm a guy

:P

[name not needed]

17. Maybe I won't be hitting on you after all

:P

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

21. Hah! You never know, I might turn out gay or bi with this attitude

;) (not there would be anthing wrong with that, mind you! Sorry, I've been yelling that for 2 weeks now and I feel obligated to continue)

[JohnKleeb]

23. I think youre metro

:P

[JohnKleeb]

22. haha

*falls to the floor*

[cally]

18. My first reaction is, please meet my daughters

They would agree and would like you. (I have daughters similar in age)
The preachy side is that I think we all have to figure out how we will interact with each other. Those guys who are strutting their stuff will soon be dissed. Girls are not stupid...well some aren't.

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

28. Gee, are they hot!?

sorry, like The Nation I just had to say it.

[cally]

31. Ummm...I'm their mother..nt

[iconoclastic cat]

32. I bet you can't wait for Sept. 7th!

The cataclysm that is freshman year begins...

[JohnKleeb]

33. ahh yes freshman year

memories. Sigh, that year blew ass.

[iconoclastic cat]

38. Sure did. Yick.

You couldn't pay me enough to be 14 again.

[JohnKleeb]

39. I like being 17 better

[iconoclastic cat]

40. Yeah, by that time I had just stopped giving a damn.

Hell, I was already playing in bars in Chicago by that time--the politics of high school barely registered in my brain.

[JohnKleeb]

42. well 14 sucked for a lot of reasons, I wasnt beat up though

[iconoclastic cat]

19. Don't worry. They'll grow out of it.

Just smile, nod, and change the subject.

BTW: "Gay" and "retarded" are indeed adjectives, at least in their current American usage.

[UpsideDownFlag]

25. "that's the gayest thing i've ever seen" n/t

[LastKnight]

27. welcome to adolescence

you just seem to be ahead of your time. more mature for your age than your counterparts rather. i was thinking the same thing as you where when i was your age (and it wasn't all that long ago). give it 4 or 5 years and a few people should catch up with you, some/most never do.

just dont start thinking like they do, i swear guys turn into idiots when they stop thinking with the head on their shoulders and start thinking with the one between their legs.

as for the adjective thing? dont mind them. they are either insecure about their sexuality to make label everything 'gay' or just lack a vocabulary to express their frustration.

if they keep calling rock walls homosexual, just tell them you find it's interesting that they are climbing all over it then, it should shut up the uptight idiots.

give it time, they seem ignorant because they haven't reached a level of maturity you have accomplished, for now, not to sound elitist or anything... but just laugh at em, cause they aren't worth taking seriously

-LK

[the Kelly Gang]

30. hormones out of control

[nini]

34. rule #1.... the more they talk about this stuff..

the less likely they are they're actually partaking in all of it

Hang in there... the age you're at is a tough one. You're obviously more mature for your age than the other kids - avoid the ones that make you nuts.

nice to see there are good young men such as yourself.

[Ithuilwen]

36. As a 16 year old female

I'm sorry to tell you that most girls, unfortunately, are no better. They ogle over pictures of "hot" guys and dish over the "cute" ones in their small worlds (middle school girls are the worst, I would have to say). Utterly mindless, and, IMHO, not much better than guys comparing their girlfriends' butts. And high school is hardly an improvement.

I'm holding out for college where I hope there will be a higher concentration of considerate, mature human beings -- both male and female. Two years yet.

And as for gay and retarded, grammatically speaking they *are* adjectives. However, their meanings have been altered in ignorant teen-speech. I find their current slang use to be tasteless and demeaning and far too common.

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

41. wow, I had no idea.

I thought that was just the "popular" girls.

[Ithuilwen]

57. As a nonpopular, voted "class brain"

in the eighth grade, avoided "popular" girls like the plague kinda gal in middle school... in middle school, from my observation, that is what most girls do. Not all, obviously, as I was and am an exception. Of course, from my fairly biased perspective, the "popular" middle school girls are certainly guilty of the actions I mentioned in my previous post. The lines blur a bit in high school, cliques seem to be less strongly defined.

I notice you harping on "personality" in your other posts, and so I pose the question: how many girls do you see out there with a "personality"? And when you say "personality" do you include "individuality" and "intellect"? It seems the girls you'd like (if these are your criteria) would be the same type of girls I would seek out as friends. Of which I only have a handful.

Because girls with a "personality" are so hard to find, most of my friends are intelligent guys who are a year and two years older than I. I think this is because there is less pressure on males to conform to a certain image -- not that there is no pressure, not by any stretch of the imagination -- and that society is more accepting of a nonconformist male than a nonconformist female. Whereas females are bombarded by magazines, TV shows and more telling them that they must be physically attractive and flirty in order to be successful (successful=attractive to men). Thus it is a rare girl who can shrug off society's expectations and develop her individuality and move beyond worrying about "fitting in" with the social norm. These are the girls, IMHO, who have the most vibrant "personalities".

Just my two cents. It's tough being this age. ;)

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

62. personality = intellect + individuality + a sense of humor

the third one isn't essential but it helped me find Samantha (AlFrankenFan) and we are best friends and probably always will be. not the dating type however..... we only work as friends (she isn't a "hopeless romantic" and I'm pretty sure I am). But, hell, it's better that way. I ain't complaining :D

edit; screwed up the formula

[Ithuilwen]

65. I would have to say

a sense of humor always accompanies intellect and individuality. ;) Good to hear you too have found people worth your time.

[renegade000]

61. "as a 17 year old male"

I have to agree with both of you...most people our age are just superficial and immature. i really didn't like middle school because i went to a normal public school, and i was definitely not a socially normal kid. i enjoyed talking to the teachers more than most of my classmates.

i'm hoping for the best in college as well.

[Ithuilwen]

68. I hear you

I definitely got along and connected better with teachers in middle school, too. Hell, for the most part, I still do now.

But as I said in my previous post... two more years. Just two more years.

*sigh*

That seems like such a long time in a vapid high school environment.

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

69. yeah, I connect with teachers too.

[PittPoliSci]

66. keep in mind...

In college, you will find people who behave exactly the way you want: smart, considerate, and mature. But also, you'll find some of the most inane immaturity ever, mixed with some of the most cruel and heinous jokes.

But the good outweighs the bad, and it's much better than high school.

[mzmolly]

44. You are on track for a happy relationship and true intimacy. The fools

you describe are in for some hard times (relationship wise). I don't agree that they'll grow out of it, as others claim. Some never do, thus "The Man Show, Playboy, Penthouse, etc...

Women are victimized in large numbers every year because they have become 'objects' instead of human beings in our society.

Hats off to you! :toast: LiberalmaniacfromOC :yourock: Keep being respectful regardless of your peers.

[PittPoliSci]

56. being not that much older than you...

and a "boy" still, I suppose...and having quite a few younger friends, here's what I can say:

Some will grow out of it, some won't.

I still have trouble curbing my nasty habit of calling things "retarded" every so often. My wonderful girlfriend is trying to phase me out of doing that, thus far successful.

As far as the "gay" thing goes, well, popular culture (i.e. American Pie stereotypes) have given young, impressionable males (though they shouldn't be permitted to see the movies without a level of maturity) the thought that if it isn't masculine, it isn't cool. Thus, the gay community, as a whole, has been stereotyped as feminine, in the eyes of these young males, because if it isn't macho, testosterone oozing bull, it obviously isn't cool. This obviously isn't fair and steps should be taken to overcome these tendencies. However, most boys, well, at least the ones I've grown to become close friends with, grow out of it about the same time the graduate from high school and start their college life.

Don't fret, there is hope. Just give these cretins time to develop into the fine young gentlemen they are destined to become. While I was never a homophobic, overly macho, insensitive jerk, with time I still became much more thoughtful and sensative, and, at the same time, noticed the kind of foolishness our society can often champion, resulting in corrective measures in my personality. Meaning, I grew up. :-)

*on edit*

I carry around a picture of my girlfriend, two of them actually, and it's not to compare her to others, it's because I genuinely love and cherish her. Not all guys use their girlfriend's photos as "proving grounds." This also, boys will grow out of.

By the way, I'm 20. I know how it felt to be a 14 year old boy in a world driven by such bizarre forces.

*second edit*

clarity issues, I think I write like a pompous asshole sometimes...

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

58. wow, a logic outlook on it.

that's good stuff. I could never make sense out of it.

[PittPoliSci]

59. did i confuse you?

sometimes i can be a bit "wordy." let me know what you need clarified, if anything.

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

70. no, it makes more sense now

although I don't know why I didn't come to that conclusion before. :shrug:

[PittPoliSci]

71. i edited it some...

i was getting really pretentious trying to sound "old" and "mature." Sorry for being such a pompous ass! :-)

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

73. I do it too!

I'm sorry for being a pompous ass too! :P

[PittPoliSci]

74. nonsense!

you're just "mature" :-) That's what we "older" folk like to call it. It's really quite a breath of fresh air to talk to someone "so young" that has a firm grasp on the world around her.

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

75. heh, around her, eh?

I'm a guy!

[PittPoliSci]

76. oops!

it doesn't really matter. :-p

hope i didn't offend.

But still to the point. Another lame social commentary:

In English grammar classes, teachers instruct one to use the word "him" to reference something, even if it is unsure of the gender, regardless of circumstances. I think that that is kind of archaic, and in essence, should be phased out with use of the word "her," as well. For example:

When referring to ownership, I was instructed not to use the phrase "they" or the phrase "his or hers" but rather just "his."

Maybe I'm just confused again...

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

77. No offense taken at all

girls are more mature usually so I take in as a compliment :)

[PittPoliSci]

78. well there you have it...

yeah, it probably should've made more sense considering the original post was about going to a BOY scout camp. I remember thinking while reading it "what on earth is a female doing at a boy scout thing?"

Meanwhile, completely ignoring the fact that I went camping w/ my girlfriend and her family last October on some boy scout event. I've never been a boy scout, so I was like, total outcast. I remember telling this kid who just earned his eagle scout status to "burn that letter that fiend ashcroft sent him congradulating him. Or take a picture of yourself burning it and giving the camera the finger...that'll send a message to Ashcroft...but you'll end up in jail..."

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

79. HAHA!

*dies of laughter*

I almost have my eagle scout but if I get it before Kerry wins, I'm burning the bush letter and asking Kerry for a new one :D

[JohnKleeb]

80. hey girl I mean dude

that poll is up :).

[PittPoliSci]

81. that would actually be really cool!

I know Bush sends them letters. I would never want a letter from the shrub.

*on edit*

but if shrub somehow manages to win, i'll probably get one, c/o him...my draft notice.

[LiberalManiacfromOC]

82. paper work takes 6 months to process and I just turned mine in.

I actually was looking forward to burning that letter though :evilgrin:

[the Kelly Gang]

64. men talking dirty to women is perverted....women talking dirty

to men is $4.95 a minute

[HEyHEY]

72. They aren't sexist - just confused