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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:01 PM
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TEAM USA (MEN'S BASKETBALLL) BEATEN IN THE OLYMPICS!!!
Edited on Sun Aug-15-04 03:07 PM by Yavin4
For the first time since pro basketball players were allowed to compete, the US Men's Basketball team loses!!!!! The final score was:

Puerto Rico 92
United States 73

The largest margin of defeat EVER for the U.S. in Men's Basketball.

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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:02 PM
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1. And to Puerto Rico at that.
The Puerto Rican team must be floating on air right now.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:03 PM
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3. It Does Makes Sense Though
If you watch the NBA, you'd know that the best shooters in the NBA come from other countries.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:06 PM
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5. I wouldnt say that, but certainly othe countries have good players, but
there really isnt an excuse for the US team. They have, by far, the most talented team in the olympics.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:13 PM
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13. Actually We Don't Necessarily Have The Best Talent
Foreign born players are among some of the best in the NBA right now: Yao Ming, Dirk Nowitski, Peja Stojakovic, Tony Parker, Manu Gnobli, etc.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:15 PM
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15. Yes, we do.
If all the players you mentioned were from the same country, you might have a point. But the US team is by far the most talented team in the olympics. And the US produces, by far, more talented basketball players than any individual country.

Yes, foriegn players have a growing contribution to the NBA, and have produced stars. Yes, international competition has gotten much better since pro's entered the olympics. But the US is still by far the best. They just arent playing well.
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slojim240 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:03 PM
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2. At least half of my family is happy!!!
Congrats to the winners. They deserve the accolades.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:04 PM
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4. I Blame Bush
He has fired up the world against us. Think '32 Olympics. Other countries are motivated to beat us.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:07 PM
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6. Damnit! Would you please quit spoiling!
The game is still on in the western time zones. It's your second spoiler for one event. Please stop it, or at least let us know your post is a spoiler.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:08 PM
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8. Oops! Sorry.
I didn't know that NBC wasn't showing this live across the nation.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:10 PM
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10. Very little is live in olympic coverage. EOM
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:08 PM
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7. Do you realize
that the last country to beat Team USA in the Olympics was the Soviet Union?
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:09 PM
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9. I saw the last 4 minutes of the game
I think what is being revealed is that the NBA is populated by a bunch of actors who merely act like they are competing in basketball. Are we seeing something not unlike what would happen if we had to send WWF wrestlers to compete in Olympic wrestling?
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:12 PM
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12. Lets not go overboard. The US team is by far the most talented.
But Basketball is hugely a team sport. Just having talent doesnt win basketball games against good teams, and the international competition has gotten much better since the first Dream Team.

The NBA is populated by the best basketball players in the world who play the best basketball in the world.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:48 PM
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31. Except for the fact that they CAN'T FUCKING SHOOT!!
Most NBA players can dunk in 47 different ways, but there is a reason that zone defenses were outlawed for so long. That reason is THEY CAN'T STICK THE J. David Stern can take his entire collection of millionaire prima donnas and shove them squarely up his ass! Give me the college kids. At least they care.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:11 PM
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11. They almost lost several games in the last Olympics as I recall
They barely squeaked by. The age of the dream team is no more.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:13 PM
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14. The term "Dream Team" should only be applied to the first one.
Anyone who knew anything about basketball knew this wasnt a dream team.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:17 PM
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16. Actually, Our College Players Would Probably Be Better
Because so many kids skip college and go onto the NBA, the players that do stay in college learn to work better together as team because all of the "stars" go to play in the NBA.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:19 PM
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17. Our college players would be destroyed.
Edited on Sun Aug-15-04 03:19 PM by K-W
As you stated yourself, talent is constantly being drained from college basketball. It would be nice to see some college players on the floor, but if puerto rico can beat a team led by Tim Duncan and Allen Iverson, they would wipe the floor with a college team. There are NBA players on other teams who would run all over college players.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:21 PM
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18. This is all Dumbyah's fault
We need a President who will restore honor to the country by winning Olympic basketball games.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:22 PM
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19. YEAH!!
I was going to post a poll about the "dream team". Sorry but pro basketball players should NOT be in Olympics.

GO PUERTO RICO!!
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:27 PM
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22. Why not, this event goes against your point.
Because of the rule change, olympic basketball has raised its level of play amazingly. We are finally seeing the best players in the world playing in the olympics, and its reached the point now where the US is defeatable. Whats wrong with pro players?
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:32 PM
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24. Tell that to the college players
who missed their chance to play in the games in 1992.

Yeah, lets allow a bunch of professional, well paid athletes play while some young kid busting his/her ass with their parents supporting them not have the chance.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:36 PM
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27. Thats not really accurate.
First off, college players dont have some constitutional right to play in the olympics. The rules used to prohbit proffessional players, so college players were the default olympians. They changed the rules, and now the best American players go to represent America. You might as well say that before 1992 High School players missed thier chance to play in the olympics. That makes no sense.

Secondly, if you think the cream of the college crop are busting thier asses with their parents supporting them, ive got some news for you. They are on full scholarships, with free housing and books, and most of them will be getting huge paydays in the NBA. Many of them had parents that got them there, but that is true of many NBA players as well. Im not going to shed a tear from top level college basketball players.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 04:03 PM
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34. What-evah!
Sorry I don't shead a tear when a guy like Iverson and his multi million dollar contract gets his ass handed to him.


:nopity:
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 04:07 PM
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35. Who asked you to shed a tear?
I was happy to see them lose, I would like to see them not medal this year, so that the Dream Team complacency dies.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 04:08 PM
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36. On that we agree.
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sir_captain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 04:15 PM
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39. you do know
that Puerto Rico's starting point guard was Carlos Arroyo, the professional starting point guard of the professional Utah Jazz of the professional NBA, right?
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 04:20 PM
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41. Puerto Rico had 2 NBA players and one NBA draftee.
Hardly an amateur team.
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Tummler Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:41 PM
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29. There could be no Olympic basketball without professional players
In many countries, players turn pro in their mid teens or late teens. As a result, all the major international basketball teams are stocked with professional players, most of whom never went to college.

Even the Puerto Rican team includes one NBA starter (Arroyo), one NBA journeyman (Santiago), and one 2004 NBA draftee (Ramos), as well as guys who have played professionally in Puerto Rico and throughout the world.

If the entire world went to an "amateurs only" rule for international basketball competition, the U.S. is the only country that could field any kind of talent (college players). Most other countries simply don't have amateur programs for their top ball players once they hit their late teens. Even with the watering down of the college ranks, the U.S. would annihilate the rest of the world if only amateurs were allowed to compete.
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:25 PM
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20. I'm ashamed to admit this...
...but part of me is, well, not really glad about this... perhaps the better word is "satisfied."

Each edition of the Dream Team has become less and less cohesive as a team, and more and more of a slopped-together hodge-podge of big NBA names. And as the NBA game becomes less and less team-oriented and more like me-me streetball, this was bound to happen.

Wake me up when the US puts a real TEAM on the floor, not just a bunch of guys trying to get by on raw talent.

This was a much-needed wake-up call.

-MR
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:26 PM
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21. Does anyone watch 'Real Sports' with Bryant Gumbel on HBO?
They did a segment last season on how Europe is now dominating Basketball. I'm no basketball fan but the feature was fascinating. The guy who coached Georgetown University (I forget his name) was interviewed and he stated that the european players stuck with the fundamentals while the American's game was more about showing off. You kinda had to see it but that's the jist.

Wow! Well good for Puerto Rico, congratulations!
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:28 PM
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23. Dominating basketball?
Thats a bit of a stretch.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:39 PM
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28. Dude...
I didn't produce the show - talk to them if you've got a glitch, okay?

In the past few years Team USA has had their asses handed to them by Spain, Italy (I know I'm missing a few others) and now Puerto Rico. If we're so dominant at the amateur level as you suggest, why can't we put a squad together that can win without dipping into the NBA?
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:44 PM
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30. Because we have the NBA.
Edited on Sun Aug-15-04 03:45 PM by K-W
I actually never suggested we were dominant at the ametaur level, we arent. But now that professionals can play in the olympics, we certainly are dominant.

Our best 18 year old players go straight into the NBA. The NBA sucks up all the talented players. The players who would, in other countries, play first on national teams, and then maybe move to the NBA, are drafted out of high school. If Yao Ming was born in the US, he may not have played a single college game in his life.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:34 PM
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25. This just IN!
pResident Bush declares Puerto Rico part of the "Axis of Evil".
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:35 PM
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26. This has made my day!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:54 PM
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32. Viva Puerto Rico!!!!
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 04:02 PM
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33. So now maybe we'll send a real TEAM...
...you know...a couple super stars, and a bunch of role players who are happy to rebound and play defense. And, find some guys who can shoot the ball. They're called FUNDAMENTALS and our guys SUCK at them, and the rest of the world doesn't.

It's our hubris that will bring us down, sound familar?
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 04:10 PM
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37. Heh, I dont think Hubris has much of a role in olympic basketball
This kind of thing happens to all sports teams that go on lone winning streaks. They get complacent. Theres less drive, less motivation, less focus. It is one of the reasons dynasties are so impressive. International competition has gotten much better and our team is complacent and is now beatable. Its good to finally see some competition. The idea that somehow the answer is to send less talented players doesnt make too much sense.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 04:12 PM
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38. That's the hubris...that we can just send a bunch of great individuals and
win.

How'd that work for the Lakers? Was there any doubt they had better players 1-12 than the Pistons? Who won?

My point is that you need superstars, but you also need people with no ego who are willing to do the dirty work and little things. Face it, this team can't shoot. And the other teams can just drop back into the middle and dare us to shoot...
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 04:19 PM
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40. It worked pretty well for the Lakers.
Edited on Sun Aug-15-04 04:20 PM by K-W
The Lakers werent a bust, they did very very well and won championships. Its not like Detroit was a high school pick up team. They were both extremely talented teams. If the Lakers or Detroit played in the olympics they would probably win, they are teams.

You are misusing the word Hubris, but fine, its no big deal.

There is a huge difference between a badly designed team and a team with all superstars. The best shooters in the NBA are superstars, not role-players. If the team is badly designed, with no shooters, then the problem is that they didnt compose the team well.

Yes, chemistry is important, yes team play is very important, yes a good balanced team is important. These things have little to do with superstars and frankly, almost all NBA players have big Ego's, almost all college players do to. You are talking about people who have been gods to those around them since high school.

The issues isnt that we send a team of superstars, its that the team we send isnt playing like a team. We could have that problem with any group of players. They dont want it that badly. And considering the dream team hype, it would be very hard to imagine any US team wanting it badly.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 04:23 PM
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42. It's exaggerated self-confidence.
Either we are so cocky that we think gathering a collection of our stars is enough to win, OR the people that select the team are unwilling to deal with the public outcry over picking a team not stacked with big names.

I'm guessing that it's a little of both.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 04:32 PM
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43. Its neither of those.
A collection of stars IS enough to win and there would be a bigger public outcry if star caliber player was refused a spot on the team in favor of a player with less talent and skill.

Those arent the reasons they are losing. "They arent playing as a team, so lets get worse players." Seems to be your logic, and frankly thats not a good point at all.

The answer is that we need a team of our top players that plays like a team, not that we need a far less talented team that plays more like a team. They arent playing badly BECAUSE of the fact that they are talented stars, they are playing badly in spite of that fact.
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