I don't like stereotypical hippies

[George_Bonanza]

I'm sorry, but their stupid message about "non-conformity" and "question all authority" really grates my nerves. Their tree-hugging and whale-kissing, I could very well agree with, unless they go extreme (see the SUV burners in California).

I hate the way hippies always act like they're so much more original than everybody else. The first hippies were original, but everybody since then who's claimed to be a hippie has done nothing new. The tye dyes, the long hair, the unbathing... They seem to be doing nothing more than to leave one mainstream and enter another. There's bad conformity, and there's good conformity. Bad conformity is where the individual simply becomes an expendable part of a whole. Good conformity is adhering to polite social rules, respecting the property, dignity, and the rights of others to feel comfortable in public. So in short, hippies claim they're original and non-conformers, yet their style of dress, travel, and way of thinking seem very much in tune with everybody else in their club.

"Question authority" is good when it involves the government, because they need to be on their toes and aware of the public's opinions. However, when it gets over-extended, it just becomes rebelling for the sake of rebelling.

I guess I'm just upset at the narrow spectrum hippies seem to provide: You can either be the unoriginal faceless slug of the "mainstream world," or you can be the enlightened intellectual of the hippie world. Sorry, I dislike both. I'll find my own place, thank you. Ha, there you go. I'm rebelling against the original rebels.

PS I refined my verbal lashing to "stereotypical hippies" because that's who I'm angry at. Didn't mean to offend any 3-dimensional hippies.

[virtualobserver]

1. have you recently had a bad hippie experience....

or is this a flashback?

[George_Bonanza]

6. Not really

I've never met a hippie in real life. I bet if I do, I'll probably like them, or at least dislike them less. But until I do, I'm still pissed off at their arrogance.

[virtualobserver]

10. I was just curious about the event or thought that prompted....

your post.

[Ivory_Tower]

12. So, you're angry at a stereotype?

And who uses the term "hippie" these days?

[George_Bonanza]

16. Yes, I'm angry at a stereotype

But I'm sure there are some hippies that fit this stereotype. I've paroused some internet blogs and there are many pretentious and arrogant hippies. But then again, the internet is very bad at presenting a 3-dimensional personality.

[Ivory_Tower]

22. There are pretentious and arrogant everythings

Sounds like you're probably just pissed off at pretentious and arrogant people in general. Justifiable, I suppose. I just found the anger directed at a group you've never encountered to be a bit odd.

[George_Bonanza]

29. Ya, guilty as charged

Some of it comes from my brother. He's my best friend and I love him, but he's a bit arrogant and pompous sometimes. He's not really a hippie, but he seems to share more than a few of their sentiments.

[maxanne]

2. I'd pick

a more worthwhile fight, myself. Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft - there's something worth worrying about.

[George_Bonanza]

5. You're right, but I'm just ranting

[arwalden]

3. Wow, Daddy-O. You're A Hep Cat! How Do You Feel About Beatniks, Man?

-- Allen

[George_Bonanza]

7. Hep cat?

What's that?

[arwalden]

38. Here You Go...

http://www.mundoblaineo.com/hep_cat_talk.htm (you'll need to scroll down)

hep cat: (noun) Someone who's hip, aware, knowledgeable, in tune with the times.


I hope this helps.

-- Allen

[Cocoa]

4. can't tell a boy from a girl these days

and that racket they call "music"!

[HereSince1628]

8. I don't like lumberjacks... (satire alert)

They cut down trees and piss on the stumps. They also stir coffee with their thumbs...the good part is they kill themselves trying to make 90 degree turns around trees while driving snow-mobiles in the dark...

What kind of shit are we peddling here? Intolerance is the province of the OTHER party,

on edit: or at least not any part of progressive politics.
on seconf edit: they piss on live, intact, trees, too, and have been known to take a shit in the woods.

[George_Bonanza]

13. I'm not being intolerant

But I'm just expressing my feelings towards hippies. Nothing wrong with not liking some people, is there?

[HereSince1628]

26. Actually, yes there is something wrong with it.

You've taken some personal grudge against a group of people who are all now somewhere in the age of 50 or more years old, and without making individual assessments you're willing to judge them as a group.

Its betrays a leaning toward prejudicial decision making. Of course once you form a mental yardstick against which you can test and reject people life becomes much easier.

[G_j]

30. and your definition of intolerance?

sounds like you just gave a textbook example.

but what the hell, I hate short har, golf shirts, ties, bla bla bla,
..actually, like you I not only hate those things but the people who have them <sarcasm>

do us a favor and look up intolerance in the dictionary.

[George_Bonanza]

33. Intolerance is a hefty charge

Aren't we allowed to not like certain stereotypes of people? I mean, I bet a lot of you here hate lawyers, but that hate comes from a stereotypical view of the ambulance chasing parasite. Look, I wish no pernicious ill will against hippies in general, I'm stating my opposition to SOME of their beliefs in the 60's.

[G_j]

34. that was a hefty post

your talking about people not stereotypes. A stereotype is a mental construct.You might try looking that one up to.

[Ivory_Tower]

37. But you didn't say "I don't like stereotypical hippies" (see edit)

You took a trait that can apply to a slice of any group, and applied it to a particular group in its entirety -- "I don't like hippies".

I've encountered similar sentiment from people, but replace "hippie" with "black". When I bring up particular blacks, the reply is usually "Oh, so-and-so is okay by me, I don't have a problem with him/her." When I ask why they espoused that sentiment, then, they usually bring up all the stereotypes, and fail to recognize that the "stereotypical" traits they're applying to blacks can be found in any other group you want to examine, too.

Same thing goes for "hippies". But I think we worked that out above. :)

(Full disclosure: I'm white (well, Italian heritage), and have long hair and like jam bands (among others), so I have been accused of being a "hippie" based on those qualities alone. I also don't do drugs, like football and baseball, own a house, drive a new-ish car, and have steady job with a decent salary. I don't think I'm arrogant and pretentious, but I can't be sure. :) )

Edit: Hey, no fair! You edited your title! :)

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

50. Hey George!

I have hair to my waist, a beard, bathe every day, and am as about as left as they come without memorizng the words to "The Internationale". In fact, I have never sung it and can't say I would know it if I heard it. I am trying to start a software business with a social conscience that will make me a salary, too. I think tie-dye and Birkenstocks with fuzzy socks are silly. Gimme my Wolverines.Oh, the contradictions...

You, on the other hand, sound as if you could use a soothing, hot, high colonic. ;-)

[Dimsdale]

57. Here you go, George..

www.colonblow.com

[Capn Sunshine]

66. IF I HAD A GUESS

This sounds a lot like lashing iout at something you wish you had/were
that is usually the pschological subtext of rants

Free yourself my brother have no fear you're only a slave as long as you let them enslave you :hippie:

pretty cool coming from a banker huh?
:nuke:

[MuseRider]

14. They also

dress in womens clothing and hang around in bars. Sorry, I just could not let that go.

[HereSince1628]

17. Maybe they are OK after all...do they dress in drag at the bars????

.

[arwalden]

20. Oh I'm A Lumberjack And I'm Okay

I chop down trees, I skip and jump
I like to press wild flowers
I put on women's clothing
And hang around in bars

I cut down trees, I wear high heels
Suspenders and a bra.
I want to be a girlee
Just like my dear papa.

[MuseRider]

25. Is that just not one of the

funniest skits? It is so overdone anymore but it makes me laugh every time I see it.

[MuseRider]

9. ????????????

This is important? I thought we all grew up. Hippies?

[wyldwolf]

11. Yep! Especially today's "hippies"

..who don't call themselves hippies.

[Maple]

15. I have always

hated hippies...and I lived through the sixties.

[DBoon]

18. Become a punker!

You get to dress in black and color your hair orange or green.

Slam dancing is good aerobic exercise.

Instead of "question authority", it's "no future"

[CanuckAmok]

23. Buy Buy Buy from "Circle-A"... n/t

[Feanorcurufinwe]

19. I'm a hippie and I'm nothing like the cliche you hate

however I've frequently been the victim of such misdirected anger.

I guess I'm just upset that you've defined hippies with such a narrow spectrum and then allowed your misguided narrow perception close your mind so much.


Here's a line from your post with three words changed:

"I guess I'm just upset at the narrow spectrum DU seems to provide: You can either be the unoriginal faceless slug of the "mainstream world," or you can be the enlightened intellectual of the DU world."

Get it?

[George_Bonanza]

21. Hey, you're a hippie I like!

We're fellow Kerry supporters!

[Champion Jack]

31. Kerry was a Hippy

He hung out with Lennon

[George_Bonanza]

32. LOL, true

I don't know if he was a hippie per se, but he did protest the Vietnam war and hung out with Lennon, and drove a Harley.

[AntiCoup2K4]

41. That Kerry/Lennon picture is a fake.

Take a close look at it next time. It's a bad splice job. And why would a picture of Kerry and Lennon in 1972 (or thereabouts) have Lennon somewhat blurred and Kerry in perfect focus? Who the hell knew who John Kerry was back then? If the press had taken such a photo, Lennon would have been the obvious target of the papparazzi.

[George_Bonanza]

47. John Kerry was ONLY one of the leading veterans outspoken against the war

[Capn Sunshine]

67. Kerry was big in the anti war movement

I'm proud to say I worked with him several times.

[HEyHEY]

24. Yes man you rule!

I hate hippies to and always love to meet others who share my hatred! :-) Fuckin' longhairs!

[DBoon]

27. Anti Hippie Music

Got out and buy a copy of "We're Only In It For The Money" by Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention. It's a very funny satire of the whole hippie thing. I love the cover art - a real take on Sgt Pepper.

You might feel better after listening to it.

[Forkboy]

28. You sound like Cartman

and while a cartoon saying it can be funny,when a real person says it it just sounds stupid.

[kid shelleen]

35. Hate to break it to ya sport

but Pink Floyd were, and still may be, (gasp!) Hippies.

[George_Bonanza]

36. I know, I'm a hypocrite here

As I said, the more I meet hippies, the more I'd probably like them.

[HEyHEY]

40. Not trying to start a fight

But I fucking hate pink floyd. Have a good day! :-)




Please take this as a joke

[kid shelleen]

49. That's IT!!!

I've had it up to here with your crap, SAyHEy! You and me outside, Right Goddam NOW!

[HEyHEY]

51. THEY'VE GOT NOTHING ON WASP!

And I'm gonna beat that into you pilgirm!

[kid shelleen]

54. Oh Yeah?!

Well Blackie Lawless is from my hometown, Buster. Stick that in your peace pipe and SMOKE IT!! Damn Gen-X slacker.

[HEyHEY]

56. I ain't a slacker!

You're just working TOO hard! ;-)

[kid shelleen]

58. If you only knew

Thanks. I'm still laughing. ;) So's the wife.

[liberalmuse]

39. Growing up...

I thought hippies were cool. The hippies next door drove a psychedelic van which I thought was lovely, and they were friendly to us rugrats. They weren't the way you've made them out to be in your post. Most of the time, they were just, 'Cool, man. That's beautiful.' I think you have gotten the tainted retrospect view of hippies, because it wasn't like that at all. People weren't so nice to these 'non-conformists', and these people were non-conformists because they questioned every thing they were ever taught. I'm sure the psychedelic drugs and beatnik writings had a lot to do with them breaking out of the mold. I don't remember hippies bragging about their non-conformity, either. The main message I got was, 'Think for yourself, man.' and 'Peace', but then, I was a kid. It wasn't rebellion for the sake of rebelling. There was a war going on, and unlike today, the troops weren't voluntary and many people were losing their friends, brothers, dads, uncles, boyfriends, husbands and sons in Viet Nam, another unjust war. And then these people saw great men assasinated on live tv, one after another. I believe I would drop acid, too, and question everything I believed if I saw every thing I thought reality was just crumble before my eyes. Anyway, I loved the hippies, they were magical beings in a world full of perfectly coiffed beehive hairdoos, boring lemon-yellow dresses and gray suits topped off with hats.

[MuseRider]

55. Being a "hippy"

was the perfect solution to growing up in the 50's. I was kinda on the cusp but did experience all of those things and it was a real revelation and revolution to be able to question the authority, especially once you discovered how much they had been lying to you. I hope we see some kind of a similar revolution soon. What we experienced was NOTHING compared to what is coming now. I think the reason we are all here is because we question that authority, thankfully. Our parents really believed (at least many of them) that the government would take care of them and we were the good guys. My family, especially my grandparents truly believed this. I think it about killed them when they finally learned that Nixon was a crook. Yup, something had better be in the air. We have a lot of wonderful young'uns here, get moving kiddo's we are behind you and you will have our support unlike the hippies who were treated like scum for who they were trying to be.

[Darranar]

42. I disagree...

rebelliousness is, in my view, a noble trait, because it allows one to question authority and therefore undermine it when it does something wrong. Authority, whether that of the government, yor boss, the school principal, or your parents, needs to be questioned ALWAYS. What is annoying is when the questioning leads to direct and constant unjustified disobidience.

[George_Bonanza]

45. Yes! Exactly right

"What is annoying is when the questioning leads to direct and constant unjustified disobidience."

That's how I feel. There needs to be rebels when something's wrong, but when that "something's wrong" is something that's merely cosmetic or very unimportant, then it becomes annoying. Like when your school suddenly demands that everybody must wear blue clothes, that's unjustified rule-tweaking. But when the school demands no headphones in class, that's justifiable, and attempting to "expose the conformity" or some shit is petty juvenile disobedience.

[Darranar]

46. Exactly...

That's my view as well. So we agree, after all.

[Nikia]

43. My friend hates the term

He has long hair and is a bit of a non conformist because he really is a rather unique individual who isn't afraid to be himself. He considers "hippy" an insult and something that shouldn't not be uttered by more straight laced type. He sees it akin to calling blacks the "n" word.

[kimchi]

44. Oh yeah? Well I hate people who hate stereotypical hippies.

So there.

[LWolf]

48. Are there hippies in the 21st century?

I haven't heard anyone claim to be a hippie in decades.

I didn't know non-conformity and questioning authority were bastions of hippiedom. If so, I must be a hippie. I just didn't know it.

It sounds like you don't like stereotypical hippies because you've stereotyped hippies.

While I've never really considered myself a "hippie," (that damned non-conformist in me just won't wear a label!), I was born in 1960 and raised by a single, liberal, pseudo-hippie mom. I don't think she's ever thought she was more original than a dandelion. And if she hadn't taught me to question the status quo, I might have ended up one of those brain dead ditto heads who think every word from * lips is straight from god. If questioning the status quo belongs to hippies, thank the universe for hippies.

And I've now used the word hippie more in this one post than I probably have in the past 20 years.

Are you sure you're just not irritated by that standard, stereotypical adolescent rebellion, no matter what form it may take?

Still, I'm thankful for adolescent rebellion. It keeps us from becoming self-satisfied know-it-alls. Even if it can be tiresome from time to time!

Hippie.

Damn. It's like the hiccups; once you start saying it you can't stop.

[Deja Q]

52. As a stereotypical hippie myself, I am truly outraged! :evilgrin:

I'm a hippie, I dig psychedelia, I'm naturally high so I don't need those drugs, I don't trust authority, and regardless of how I dress I'm non-conformist in that area too.

But I bathe, wear tie-dye if I could, am trying to grow long hair but those stylish hairdressers luv to cut it all off :-( ...

No offense taken in all honesty. The world is made up of all types. Just be wary of those who callously thank you for all the fish.

[greatauntoftriplets]

53. Too bad, so sad.

:hippie:

[Sapphocrat]

59. Geeeeeeeeez, dude...

At least MEET a few representatives of any group you've decided to despise.

Remind me not to ask you what you think of queers. Buncha flamin' pansies & diesel dykes, just look at them, arrested development, sinners, god they make me sick, not that I know any but everything they represent is just sickening, they oughta change sex but they don't know which sex to change to, I mean it's bad enough they do dirty things in the bedroom but do they have to parade their perversion in the streets, why can't they just conform and be NORMAL like everybody else, or at least stay in the closet so we don't have to look at them, with their short hair and their big belt buckles and their weird symbols on their flags and their cars and their tattoos, they even co-opted the rainbow, how dare they, and why do THEY get to use the word QUEER when it's OUR word for making fun of them, buncha freaks & perverts, I say fuck individuality...

Sign me,

Not a Hippie But Some of My Best Friends Are

[Sophree]

60. There's a name for those

"PS I refined my verbal lashing to "stereotypical hippies" because that's who I'm angry at. Didn't mean to offend any 3-dimensional hippies."

Although I don't know if I'd call them stereotypical, but we call the annoying ones "hippie-crites" or "hippier-than-thou" and they annoy me, too. Their minds are just as closed as the people they're trying to differentiate themselves from.

Anyway, I understand what you're saying.

:hippie:

[hippiechick]

61. I resemble that remark !!!

:hippie:

I consider myself a political hippie -- I refuse to be a sheeple, am extremely liberal, and don't feel it's any legislative body's business what anyone's private life entails.

That said, I work for a Fortune 500 company, wear 'business clothes' most of the time, drive a 4 door Nissan, bathe regularly, and have never smoked pot.


Go figure !?!


:hippie:

[George_Bonanza]

69. Thanks Sophree and hippiechick

See, Hippiechick, I can totally respect that. I mean, there are people who think not being a sheep simply means wearing tye dye, driving old VWs, not bathing, and doing petty drugs, while not doing much of the "free will thinking" they spout. You're the opposite of that. You do the thinking but don't care about the mere frivolous, cosmetic aspects.

[Cheswick2.0]

62. I guess you don't want an invite to the orgy then

Hey man, we were going to invite you to a weekend of group LUUUUUUUUUVV and Peace. Lots of good food, full body message...all that cool stuff, wine etc......
Oh well, your loss.

[carpetbagger]

63. You need to hang out with Texas hippies.

[Capn Sunshine]

64. Let me guess

Eric Cartman is your hero



GOD DAMN HIPPIES!

[Ein]

65. Eat my dreadlocks.

No seriously, I love how you added the word "stereotypical" into the title.

[Blue-Jay]

68. Those damn hippies!

I can't stand 'em either!

With their wild hair and wild music, getting all the best weed, and standing up for what they believe in, and being comfortable, and wearing ratty jeans, and having lots of sex, and...and......umm.....and....

Aw, shit. Where do I sign up?