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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 07:06 AM
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Rosebud is the name of a famous woman's errrrr...private parts
Edited on Tue Jul-27-04 07:09 AM by khephra
True or false? I've heard that was the original reason for the name and not the sled.

snip..........

It was Hearsts trademark of the time to rail against the liquor and sex orgies of Hollywood, not out of a sense of decency - he knew scandals sold newspapers. Hearst himself had a mistress. Orson Welles alluded to this in his thinly veiled biopic of Hearst, Citizen Kane. The dying newspaper magnates final word in the film was Rosebud - Hearsts pet name for the clitoris of his actress girlfriend, Marion Davies.

http://www.vaginaverite.com/duwrose/scandal20.html
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 07:11 AM
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1. I thought the rosebud was
located on the back end.
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 07:14 AM
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3. Well, it was Hearst
He wasn't known for getting his facts straight.

:evilgrin:
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Gothic Sponge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 07:12 AM
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2. So, at the end of the film they would have had to zoom in on a vagina?
Edited on Tue Jul-27-04 07:18 AM by Gothic_Sponge
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 07:15 AM
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4. On a vagina's what?
Rosebud?
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Gothic Sponge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 07:16 AM
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5. edit.....it's early
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KinkyDem Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 12:43 PM
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19. Ummmm .... no
either a zoom on the clitoris, the labis or the vulva. The vagina is an internal organ and is seldom seen by anyone without an "evil duck"
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 07:58 AM
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6. That's what I'd heard.
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Dirty Hippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:21 AM
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7. I have to share...
My sister who lived in Japan told me that the Japanese name for that particular part translated literally is "lima bean."

So now you know.
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Red State Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 10:43 AM
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14. ROFL!!! Now that is an image I'll never forget! n/m
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dr.strangelove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 09:53 AM
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8. Thats what RKO 281 says
The movie RKO 281 (The RKO project number for Citizen Kane) indicates that Rosebud was William Randolph Hearst's pet name for Marion Davies's vagina (not clitoris).
Scriptwriter John Logan claims his story sticks closely to known facts, but he declined to give the source for this factoid. It has been rumor in Hollywood for years, but no one really seems to know if its true. Logan's script has Herman 'Mank' Mankiewicz (Welles' writing partner) give Welles the factoid. I don't know if this is what really happened, but RKO 281 is a great movie that puts Kane into a whole new light.
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 09:55 AM
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9. If nothing else
It definitely puts Citizen Kane into a whole different light.
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dr.strangelove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 10:21 AM
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12. I enjoyed the film
Regardelss of Welles hatred or disgust for Hearst, he made a great film in Kane.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 12:46 PM
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20. It's long been the rumour in Hollywood though, as you say...
...never proven. "Mank" was a real smart ass so it's quite possible. Supposedly, that's REALLY why W.R. Hearst was so pissed off.
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 09:59 AM
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10. Stop staring at my avatar.
It's feels so...so...violating. :D
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 10:00 AM
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11. Thanks for the best laugh I've had in some time!
:evilgrin:
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 11:22 AM
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15. Is that a rose blooming?
Or are you just happy to see me?

:evilgrin:
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 11:30 AM
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17. Some days...
I just get my little petals in a bunch I think. :D
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jukes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 10:22 AM
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22. S/B
my jaw aches from laughing, so stop saying that!
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 10:41 AM
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13. From the film lore I've heard...
Orson Welles had rumbled with Hearst and the inclusion of the word "rosebud" in the film was a very personal "fuck you" to Hearst. Wells loved the idea that Hearst would be driven to distraction knowing the entire world had his personal nickname for Marion on their lips.

I believe the story is covered in one of the "Hollywood Babylon" books.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 11:27 AM
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16. on whose .....
nevermind. Gosh there is a lot of not even innuendo around here today.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 12:40 PM
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18. Those "Hollywood Babylon" books are funny but filled with lies
and misinformation.

I'd always heard this Rosebud story too - no idea if it's true or not. But I did want to chime in here to defend Marion Davies. She was a very talented comedienne whose talents were often wasted in the dreck Hearst had written for her. He loved her in serious period-pieces where she would often be dressed as a man (apparently, that was his particular kink).

Finally, she broke out of that crap and starred in Show People, written by the great early screenwriter Frances Marion. She is absolutely brilliant in this - anyone who ever gets a chance to see it should. It pops up on TCM's silent Sundays once in a while. It was made in 1927 and is silent, of course.

Marion was universally loved by her friends and coworkers as a warm and funny person. Hearst was a notorious tee-totaler and wouldn't allow liquor at "the ranch" (Hearst Castle in San Simeon), but she would always have some in her rooms. She drank. A lot, in fact.

Their relationship was quite bizarre and unconventional. Hearst's wife wouldn't grant him a divorce because she was Catholic, but she agreed to living on opposite coasts. When Hearst lost much of his empire, Marion bailed him out. When he died, his sons wouldn't even let her attend the funeral.

As much as I like and respect Citizen Kane, I feel Marion was really shabbily treated by her represeentation in it. Sadly, it's what most people think of when they hear her name, but she was a far more complex person who had quite a bit of talent.

<film geek stepping off soapbox now...> ;)
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 09:34 AM
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21. Here here!
Hearst was a typical control freak and mentally abusive lover. Davies was unfortunately so tied to WR that her career stalled and she was unable to achieve the type of fame that an actress of her calibre is usually granted. Welles' version of Davies drew on her weaknesses and problems and amped them up to create a picture that did not do the woman it represented justice.
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