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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:52 PM
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Who is the better guitarist? Satriani or Vai.
I like Satriani a little better. I also have to give him props because he taught Vai.
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:53 PM
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1. I'd go w/ Vai...
More inventive and unique.

No disrespect to Satch, though. He's probably a better songwriter...
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:54 PM
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2. Satriani is more melodic
in my book, that makes him the better guitarist.....flaming through scales is nice but it isn't music and it isn't phrasing.
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:54 PM
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3. Satch by a f***ing mile!
Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 01:54 PM by southpaw
Vai's noise-making is just plain irritating.
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bleedingedge Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:55 PM
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4. Don't know nothing about guitar personally BUT...
A former good friend was a lead and rhythm guitarist with decent skills and he told me that Vai was the mose technically mystifying guitarist he'd ever heard.

He told me he literally had no idea how Vai made some of the sounds he did. With Satriani, he said he knew how the instrument was being played, but the he could not have done it himself.

I defer to his knowledge, therefore, and cast for Vai.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:47 PM
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43. That's probably why Vai's contribution on Frank Zappa's albums
was credited as "impossible guitar parts." (And Zappa himself was no slouch when it came to guitar playing.)
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:56 PM
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5. Having seen them both live - Satriani.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:56 PM
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6. That ham-fisted Japanese 'girl' from Shonen Knife.
Far, far better.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:58 PM
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7. Ralph Machio
.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:59 PM
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8. You mean Ry Cooder?
;-)
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:12 PM
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21. The Stuff At The End Was Vai
The duel with Jack Butler had Vai playing both parts. He looked good as the devil's asssistant, didn't he?

Oh, and BTW: I shot a 72 on Sunday! Nyah, Nyah!
The Professor
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:15 PM
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29. Congratulations.
I haven't had my golf clubs out in so long it's sad.

I was unaware Vai did the stuff at the end. Interesting. Satriani is still better to me. I saw the G3 tour opened by Kenny Wayne Shepherd followed by Vai, then Satriani.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:16 PM
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31. I'm A Satch Nut
I like 'em both, but my preference is clear. Geez, my main guitar is the Satriani model! His hands must be about the same size as mine, because the neck feels like it was cut for my hands!
The Professor
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:21 PM
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35. If just for Satch Boogie alone...
I remember the first time I heard that. It was like being struck by lightning.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:49 PM
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44. I saw that same G3 tour! It was great!
And a guy I knew was playing drums for Vai on that tour.
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:00 PM
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9. John McGlaughlin
Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 02:02 PM by bif
n/t
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mstrsplinter326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:00 PM
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10. Robert Randolph
Best since hendrix
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:01 PM
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11. Kirk Hammet - the better of Satriani's pupils
Much better than Vai or his mentor
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:03 PM
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12. Who else did Satriani teach?
Hammett and Vai but who else? Just Curious.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:06 PM
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14. I know Larry LaLonde from Primus was
I'm not sure who else
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:16 PM
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30. You're joking, right?
Did Kirk have his wah pedal surgically attached to his right foot?
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:17 PM
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32. What are you insinuating?
What is this blasphemy?!?!?!
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:27 PM
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38. That Kirk Hammett sucks...
Not in so many words...
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:27 PM
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39. Yeah well........well.......
SHUT UP!!!!



:)
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:05 PM
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13. Ostentatious Diddlers
Both of 'em.

Listening to either Satriani or Vai is like watching a George Lucas movie.

Sorry, you asked for it.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:06 PM
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16. You would think I would be insulted.
But George Lucas gave us the original Star Wars. Which is awesome.
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:13 PM
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22. Well, there ya go.
Can't argue with you. Lot's of people loved those movies.

Then again...Just because McDonald's sells more food than anybody doens't make it fine dining.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:17 PM
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33. It's a matter of opinion.
Star Wars is the shit.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:11 PM
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19. Boy, Are You Going To Get It!!!
Just wait 'til i see you next! I'm gonna give you such a pinch!
The Professor
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:14 PM
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23. Oops. Sorry. Didn't realize you were a Star Wars fan.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:15 PM
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26. I'm Not!
But, my guitar is now pissed at both you and mkuhl.
The Professor
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:18 PM
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34. Which one? The extra pointy one?
You know, it comes down to this. There are musicians and there are artists.

And never the twain shall meet.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:21 PM
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36. Such A Pinch, You're Gonna Get!
The Professor
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:06 PM
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15. I'm sure they're both good guitarists
but since I'm physically incapable of listening to either of them for more than a few seconds without feeling nauseous, I'll have to defer my opinion of their technical skills. I always preferred Stevie Ray Vaughn as the gawd of guitar because soul is important.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:07 PM
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17. I love Stevie Ray.
His albums are awesome.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:14 PM
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24. You Need To Listen To Satch More Carefully
His stuff drips with feeling, especially as he carrying the melodies of the songs. His vibrato is to die for.

I like SRV, too, but if you haven't heard the feeling in Satch's playing, you need to listen again.

Vai, i'll grant ya!

The Professor
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:10 PM
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18. Satch, For Two Reasons
I like his tone better, since it's rounder and smoother.

But, more importantly, i think his exploration of jazz elements (lots of harmonic minors and diminished scales, and the use of modes) is more interesting to my ear.

Vai tends toward incorporating elements of Baroque into his playing, and that just doesn't grab my ear. I like the harmonic envelope to be pushed as far as possible. Satch does that better than Vai. That includes the incorporation of noise into his phrasing. I really like that stuff.

Vai is phenomenal, and i like them both a lot, but i like the moods set by Satch more.

Full Disclosure: I'm a Satch fanatic, and i don't deny it. But, i really do know why i like him so much, and it's not just because he's a shredder. His playing is brilliant, and he can still rock!
The Professor
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:12 PM
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20. Long, extended periods of musical masturbation.
Technically brilliant, but it does nothing for me.
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sus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:14 PM
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25. Satriani
definitely
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:15 PM
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28. Sus! Buddy!
We are now officially pals.
The Professor
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sus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:26 PM
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37. hurray!
i'm adding you to "the list."
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:15 PM
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27. Kurt Rosenwinkel, John Scofield, Charlie Hunter, Chet Atkins...
Now those are guitarists!

:)
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:28 PM
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40. Vai is like listening to a chainsaw cut through a grand piano
Sorry, he sucks.
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:53 PM
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41. Satriani. Vai has no soul.
Steve Vai is probably the most technically gifted electric guitarist ever.

But, as was once said in another context, it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing.

Vai plays like a machine. Satch has got some human feel to his music. Not as much as, say Steve Vai or Jimi Hendrix did, but you can tell it's a human playing.

"Surfing with the Alien" is a terrific rock guitar album.
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bo44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:09 PM
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42. They both should go back to their rooms.
Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 03:10 PM by bo44
They are bedroom gods. Name one of their pupils or fans who've made an impact on the world of music in a way that transcends jacking off their axe with virtuosity. Now list the players that were influenced by the great blues and swing players from the 20th century. You get maybe one generation of guitarists that can swing and play the blues in all of it's forms. After that you get techno geeks whacking their axe like a geeky teenager to downloaded porn. When a motherfucker can say he played in a rock band, a big band, an acoustic jazz ensemble, a funk band, and a r and b organ combo and a country quintet then he can claim to be a virtuouso.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:51 PM
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45. Out of those two? Satriani
but James Marshall Hendrix was the greatest ELECTRIC guitar player of all time. And Jimmy Page is right there as an overall guitar player. Listen to a relatively new guy namede Eric Sardinas. His latest cd has a guest stint by Vai. Sardinas is good.
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TopesJunkie Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 07:37 PM
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46. Why does it matter?
:puke:
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